I’m sorry you took it that way, but I didn’t make it personal. You did.
I’m rubber you’re glue…
Grow the fuck up dude.
You’re a good dude; this isn’t how i wanted this discussion to go.
Have a good night.
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Thanks. You are too.
I need to look at my own advice above, “when one finds themself in conflict…”.
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@Andrewgen_Receptors told me that he hates cats and he also said something about your mother.
Proceed with the arguing lolololol
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Would you still love a cat who has a high body count? 
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Its me. I’m Tyler Durden.
It was explained in the post above. Men and women aren’t the same, and standards aren’t equally applied either. Or shouldn’t be. From reproductive behavior to trans athletes.
That’s my job.
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I think the real problem is this obsession with sex that permeates these threads. I think it’s a symptom of not being able to love.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think there are many people who think there’s a problem with this. I don’t think anyone wants to force you to date a woman you don’t want to date, and I don’t think anyone thinks you’re harming a woman by choosing not to date her.
To me, the conversation looks more like this:
Person A: “Women who have more than [insert number] sexual partners are fundamentally damaged, incapable of forming meaningful relationships, and ultimately destroying society”
Person B: “I don’t think that’s true”
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Well, the thread was moving fast and I posted the best explanation I’ve seen. And I’ve several times said that a sexually licentious society, one that has no sexual regulation, is a joke. For those that want to lean the negative effects on society besides unhinged women (yes, I know someone will likely say they know a woman with 100 partners who’s totally normal), there is plenty of information out there.
As I’ve said in the past, although my sample size is small, nearly every woman I’ve known who was what I call a “professional girlfriend” and was “over socialized ” at a young age, is divorced.
Also men who marry and have children e with promiscuous women are taking huge financial, social, and emotional risk.
This is not from a red pill author.
Further learning: a read of an essay titled Rotating Polyandry by Roger Devlin. Covered: female infidelity, family court. There are four parts.
Men are free to marry women with a hefty list. I mean, if a man believes that’s fine, he should try it out. Of the women I know who formed an identity almost totally around their interactions with men—I mean starting at twelve years old—most have been ruthlessly hypergamous and fixated on certain types of men. Again, men can try it out if they don’t believe this stuff.
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suicide rates amongst men and women in the USA
Keep in mind the gap between male to female suicide rates has always been present and isn’t unique to the USA
Perhaps men are just more prone to committing suicide? Without apt justification for enforcing the narrative that men are suddenly dropping dead from suicide, the whole discussion revolving around “the huge requirement for societal overhaul on the basis of how unhappy men are” borders on conspiracy theory territory.
@BrickHead male suicide rates in the states are just about exactly what they were in 1950… and if you go back prior to 1950 they were even higher.
I’ve brought this up numerous times now. The male to female suicide gap is universal throughout the world (first world countries, third world countries, autocracies and democracies). As a matter of fact countries like Russia have a far higher male suicide rate.
That and suicide rates for men were HIGHER back in the coveted olden days
However a HUGE reported spike in suicides occurred during the early 1900s
Perhaps the early 1900s through to the 1950’s weren’t so great after all… I’d like an explanation. Keep in mind, I’m not targeting you here. If you look at my recent litany of posts you’ll notice I’m targeting anything I can disprove in general because I believe the forum is starting to become an echo chamber. Need to encourage analytical thinking and debate as opposed to the majority agreeing on everything and dogpiling on anyone who doesn’t agree.
I do not dogpile on people and there doesn’t seem to be an echo chamber. There seems to be two sides on sexual licentiousness and male disenfranchisement.
I never said otherwise.
This isn’t a matter of male happiness. It’s a matter of social stability. Are you saying nothing should be done about serious problems?
We know this. We wrote in this thread, “male suicide is higher.” We also have a prison population neck and neck with Russia (last time I checked), which isn’t normal either.
I do not look at matters simply from a viewpoint of what was bad in the past, as in “it’s bad in the past, so if it’s bad now, that’s fine.” Secondly I look at increases, not just some number that matches a previous one.
This seems similar to when I addressed growing school violence to you, and even my co-workers son who was near strangled to death. You brought up people you know who experienced school violence in the past. I don’t know how else to put this and I have no intention of being confrontational. However, this sort of commentary strikes me as, “It’s bad now? But it was bad in the past. So eat shit! Don’t be concerned. Don’t do anything.” Imagine if I told my friend, “oh, your son almost died? The schools in this county are experiencing more violence? Well, violence was common in schools X place at Y time too. Look at this stat and graph. Don’t worry.” I wouldn’t be surprised if he got very angry with me.
I believe I know what’s going on. And I have a son. Do you propose I just simply ignore the risk factors of the current day? This routinely happens here in our discourse. I discuss things I should be concerned about and they are struck down, as if I should not have concern for my children in this society as it stands now, and the risk factors here today, in America.
We’ve also had enough discourse that you can conclude I am punitive, not permissive, and I don’t know why I or any American should have shit standards and tolerate all sorts of social pathologies in society or even our own families, whether they occurred in the past at the same rate or not.
I am writing this with no hostility. The above was written so you know where I stand. And I don’t think you have bad intentions with your posts.
I wonder why people bring up “the 1950’s” so frequently to me, even when I’ve hardly mentioned them in conversation.
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Continued: much of what I write about here stems first, from the specific concern I have for my children that will live in what was a great country but turned into a violent, dysfunctional laughing stock, and second, a more generalized concern for their peers and the country at large.
Not only will my son have to grow up with risk factors discussed here and elsewhere, my daughter will grow up in a licentious environment in which she will be expected to easily put out and present herself as little more than a sex object for men who couldn’t care less if she or her “unplanned” offspring dropped dead afterwards. It’s an age in which many men don’t even care about protecting women and think it’s fine to have them in dangerous and positions. Even many fathers do not give a damn about the dangerous environments their daughters put themselves in.
I don’t look at all this as some goofy pity party for men.
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Do you guys want your sons to have high body counts? Do you not see it as indicative of emotional difficulties?
Because I certainly do. I think the men I’ve been close to have largely been about where I have, which is to say practicing serial monogamy.
Which is what I see all around me. Promiscuous people pairing briefly, while people looking for intimacy pair for longer periods of time. Certainly many girls/women mistake promiscuous men for something finer and are disappointed, but society has not succeeded in making serious girls sluts.
Also, men suicide at greater rates because they choose more lethal means, but women attempt more often. We’re just squeamish and so more often survive the attempt. This has not changed with the issues you’re laying out in defense of a societal overhaul.
I’ve been telling myself I wouldn’t engage in this thread. :-/
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I think this is more the point I agree with on the topic of number of partners (weird topic anyway).
I ask the question what emotional hole is one trying to fill with sex, drugs, alcohol etc…?
Clearly this means men are better at everything….
No, I don’t. I want neither of my children to have them. What I’d like to see for when:
loving marriages with healthy households
professional and academic success
future grandchildren for me
ethical conduct
sexual propriety
Yes, I’m boring.
Men also commit murder at a higher rate than women.
Yes, they do, along with other crimes.