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Do you have some duct tape?
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While you can find pretty much anything you want online, my experience has been that the dominant red pill message is that men should just learn to be better. Get in better shape. Earn more money. Dress and groom better. Learn to be more socially confident.
The idea is that is actually what women want. So if you want to attract women, be that thing.
Which is to say, I don’t think you actually disagree with the red pill philosophy. You just disagree with the caricature of red pill philosophy that the media perpetuates.
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Add to that a realistic expectation of what one gets for what they bring.
The problem with the realistic expectation is that to know what one is bringing, they have to look at themselves in a stark and honest light.
Thats where shit gets messed up.
Its like “You want a 9-10 when you’re a five? Too bad. Go find another 5 and be happy vs. pining for a 9 and being lonely.”.
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Accurate.
More aligned with intersexual dynamics, the best definition I’ve heard is " Learning to appreciate women for what they are , not for what you want them to be."
Lets face it. Every movie and TV series shows that women want to be bedded slowly and romantically like the original Top Gun sex scene.
In reality, they want to be dominated. If they didn’t, 50 Shades of Grey wouldn’t have been a best seller for weeks (or longer, I didn’t google it).
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There’s entire communities around people holding themselves and other men accountable for their actions, or lack thereof. r/MarriedRedPill does this weekly, and they tear people apart who aren’t taking the steps to self-improve, and they knock folks down a peg (or a few if needed) when the expectations aren’t matching with reality.
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I agree.
I’d add that there is an initial message that sells the idea that “pretty privilege” exists and applies to everyone (although it should be called “attractive privilege” because looks aren’t all that make someone attractive). That both men and women treat attractive people better (which includes willingness to date).
From there it goes into what is attractive to women (the stuff you mentioned), and that if one wants to be attractive to women, they should improve in those areas.
I think that initial sell on attractive privilege is what gets some people upset.
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I actually think it’s the [holding women accountable for their actions] that gets people (primarily women and simps) upset.
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How are they holding them accountable?
I’m having a hard time believing you’re educated on Red Pill material if you don’t know this.
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I don’t believe in different colored pills. There is only one color of pill: bullshit.
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I wouldn’t say I am TBH. I know they say unflattering things about women, but IDK if that has much effect on women since it’s mostly men that watch their content.
Do you think that educating men on the dangers of marrying women with high body counts, single mothers, or the games women play has an effect on what men are willing to put up with?
I think the result is that women are held accountable for their actions by not being able to retain the man they think they can - because of the actions they’ve made in the past (which they KNEW were bad decisions).
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IDK if women are getting the message if that is the case. So these women have been sleeping around with attractive guys (called “Chads” in the manoverse). Then the red pill content comes along and the main goal is to turn these less attractive guys into “Chads” so they can get women. Say it works and the guy becomes attractive to women. He then hooks up with a bunch, but doesn’t commit. I don’t see what message they get from that? That is the same experience they had with the natural “Chads” (the ones that didn’t need red pill content to be attractive to women).
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You’re missing the side of this that’s shitting on dudes for being simps. When dudes stop simping, and these ran-through women stop getting wifed up, women will adapt to stop sleeping around so damn much as if it had no effect on anything.
Of course, this requires dudes to stop simping, which probably won’t happen. So the end result is that dudes just understand why women do what they do, then use that to their advantage - whether it be better long-term-mate selection, or being a player with the ladies.
The only way to turn things around is for men to do it. If the next 3 generations of men said “no ring if her body count is over 5”, women would cry, moan, try to spin it into some form of slavery or rape, then - eventually - stop running up their bodycount.
You can’t fix the problem if you don’t know what it is.
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I think it is dumb to attach any significance to an arbitrary body count. If you can’t pick up from her personality alone (rather than asking her how many dudes she has slept with) that she isn’t someone you’d be interested in, that’s on you. There is a huge difference between someone who has slept with 5 guys vs. 150
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I’m confused… do we agree or disagree?
I don’t think this will happen TBH. Because as you said, dudes won’t stop simping. Many men just aren’t all that attractive. Not talking just looks here. Lot’s of men just don’t put effort into much at all aside from their hobbies. Those men don’t have options, and they will settle down with the women they simp for given the opportunity.
I do see a positive of the red pill as what we’ve discussed here. Getting guys to work on themselves, to be what is attractive to most women. Self improvement is almost always a good thing, and has value regardless if one does well with women or not.
Here, I’d say context matters. If I am a dude in his mid 30s in the dating market (I am mid 30s, but not in the dating market), I think it is totally reasonable for a woman my age to have that body count and not be a promiscuous woman. Maybe she has had several multi year long relationships for example, that just didn’t work out for whatever reasons (aside from her cheating or something).
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Agree with the rest of your post.
I’d say this is a reasonable body count with context, but the question remains “why is she single in her mid 30’s”?
All around, people just need to be more selective with who they sleep with, date, and marry.
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