Dunamo humm if i was to treat a quick flare up, how long would it be and at what dosage.
Should i even be worried about any symptoms of gyno with a short cycle of test p, tren ace, and d bol? its only a 6 week cycle. Moderate dosage.
T-Beast,
Hit Nolva as quickly as possible and maintain your AI use.
Yes, you should be concerned when using highly aromatising compounds (dbol & testosterone). This gets even more dicey when combining those compounds with one that has progestagenic sides.
The trick when using Tren in conjunction with test & dbol is to be certain to keep E2 in check through use of an AI. That lessons greatly the likelihood of progestagenic sides arising.
Basically, be concerned and treat immediately. Failing to do so could lead to permanent gyno.
I donāt see any reason not to frontload Nolva as per Bill Roberts suggestion. That would be 140mg taken in split doses on Day 1 and then 20mg-40mg/d until the problem clears up.
This would get blood level of Nolva up to snuff prontoā¦
dynamo, i know the PCT dosages for nolva, but how about the āquick treatā for flare ups? my nipples are more sensitive to touch and no deposits as of yet.
Sorry for the highjack, I will edit later.
i see now. So ill maintain nolva at 35mg through tio the end of my cycle. Then i have tamoxifen citrate to PCT with. SOunds good?
Check my post just above yours. We both posted at the same timeā¦
[quote]T-Beast wrote:
i see now. So ill maintain nolva at 35mg through tio the end of my cycle. Then i have tamoxifen citrate to PCT with. SOunds good? [/quote]
Using nolvadex during your cycle is a bad idea. Gyno flare up is one thing but once it is under control you should discontinue the nolvadex. The AI should be adjusted accordingly and used during the cycle.
Tamoxifen citrate is Nolva.
Use Nolva (Tamoxifen Citrate) as I outlined until the flareup goes away and then use Adex or Letro until the end of your cycle. If you donāt have an AI; others may be able to guide you on how to use Nolva as a less desirable alternative. I only know the right way.
Ok. GOt it. Thanks guys.
What if your gyno is from prolactin? Can Prolactin inhibitors/Dopamine agonists such as Caber? or Pramipexole reverse it and prevent effectively?
Good point. If Nolva doesnāt work, you may have to use Caber or Bromo.
Alright guys, I have a question.
I just ran epistane/with nolva pct to help reduce gyno (pubertal)ā¦ it has worked a bit. It is really small on my right nipple you can barely notice it unless you look really close but i still donāt want it there.
Iām thinkin of running letro to get rid of this shit or make it even smaller!
Iām just wondering on the basic dosing for thisā¦ and also the nolva pct dose for it. Any help will be appreciated, I plan on doing it within this month or so.
Matt,
You can run low dose Letro solo. I donāt remember the exact dosage, but you can start at 0.3mg/d and reduce it if you feel achy joints and low libido. You donāt need Nolva to recover from Letro.
T-Beast: I had an online conversation with Bill Roberts today and he says if the Tren ace you have is legit, that it should not cause any prolactin sides and thus you should not require caber or bromocriptine (unless your tren has other prolacting increasing AAS mixed with it).
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Matt,
You can run low dose Letro solo. I donāt remember the exact dosage, but you can start at 0.3mg/d and reduce it if you feel achy joints and low libido. You donāt need Nolva to recover from Letro.
T-Beast: I had an online conversation with Bill Roberts today and he says if the Tren ace you have is legit, that it should not cause any prolactin sides and thus you should not require caber or bromocriptine (unless your tren has other prolacting increasing AAS mixed with it).[/quote]
Alright thanks! Are you sure I shouldnāt use the nolva incase i get a rebound, or no?
Iām 20 years old, Iām kinda scared im gonna mess myself up with the letro, if i use a really low dose in shouldnāt be too bad right? I really wanna get rid of this!!
Matt,
Low dose Letro can be used off cycle to maintain low-normal (optimal for a man) E2 level. That may or may not help with your gyno. It definitely wonāt make it worse. Maintaining low-normal E2 level should have a positive effect on your free testosterone level and overall well being.
I donāt believe it is good practice to use a SERM (like Nolva) off cycle. Nor would you require a SERM with an AI (Letro) off cycle.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Matt,
Low dose Letro can be used off cycle to maintain low-normal (optimal for a man) E2 level. That may or may not help with your gyno. It definitely wonāt make it worse. Maintaining low-normal E2 level should have a positive effect on your free testosterone level and overall well being.
I donāt believe it is good practice to use a SERM (like Nolva) off cycle. Nor would you require a SERM with an AI (Letro) off cycle.[/quote]
The only reason to use Nolva with the letro is coming off of a higher dose cycle.
It will catch any accidental estrogen rebound, and nolva does block the breast tissue receptors, so it will do nothing but help.
I see! Well i guess itās definately worth a try!
Let me rephrase. I fully agree with Westclock that Nolva is great for use in PCT following an AAS cycle and certain pro hormone cycles. When I said āI donāt believe it is good practice to use a SERM (like Nolva) off cycleā. I meant I donāt believe it is good practice to use a SERM (like Nolva) other than for PCT.
Matt are you done with your PCT or not? If yes, then run Letro solo; if no, then by all means run both together.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Let me rephrase. I fully agree with Westclock that Nolva is great for use in PCT following an AAS cycle and certain pro hormone cycles. When I said āI donāt believe it is good practice to use a SERM (like Nolva) off cycleā. I meant I donāt believe it is good practice to use a SERM (like Nolva) other than for PCT.
Matt are you done with your PCT or not? If yes, then run Letro solo; if no, then by all means run both together.[/quote]
I meant the letro cycle actually.
Running letro at a high dose and not tapering down properly will cause estrogen rebound.
Running a few mg of nolva when coming off as insurance is cheap and effective fire insurance.
And as I stated, nolva blocks estrogen from activating the breast receptors as well, so it can do nothing but help.
yeahh I totally understand now! I gotta order it still, and im almost done pct so itās gonna be solo.
I might even buy another bottle of nolva just incase then but weāll see.
Also, its liquid letro, it says 1ML = 2.5Mg (i think)
This is gonna be hard to doseā¦ Do you guys have any tips?