Anti-Estrogen at Young Age?

Pharma / TRT
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Posting in steroid section because people here understand hormones better. If needed, a mod can move the the right section.

I am planning on getting some bloodwork done to see if i have high estrogen levels. I am 14 years old, turning 15 this october. I have puffy nipples and feminine fat deposits. Ive been working out for around 7 months, out of which 3 months were off due to stress from school.

I wanted to ask the people here if getting on anti-estrogens at such a young age could be harmful or not. I have been pretty damn overweight before, probably crossing 25% bf. I dieted (even though i knew i shouldnt) to 12-15% bf. Im fairly satsified with having a few visible abdominal muscles, but i still feel embarassed taking off my shirt because of my “moobs.”

I can flex my pecs, and u can even see the “wave.” As far as i know, i have high estrogen levels. My fat is mostly around my hips, love handles, and lower stomach.

So, as my question was, is there anything wrong with getting blood work done and taking anti-estrogens at such a young age? I do know that lots of people have weird hormones in their teens, but moobs are pretty embarassing.

I know i have a good amount of glutes (i can tell when i flex them and how far deep i can poke through the fat till i hit the muscle) but having a 41-42" ass on a 30-32" (depends on time of day) waist looks pretty damn demented. I have a big structure, and my hip bone is big.

I have NO fat (just skin) between my lower stomach (where pubes and stomach meet) to the right and left (towards handles) and it’s still pretty big. The problem is that the bit of fat i get around my hip bone looks like a LOT.

I really need serious answers. Just incase anyone asks, i am NOT a troll. This has been bugging me for a few years now, and i would REALLY appreciate help. Thanks in advance.

EDIT: I am 5’8", 176-180lb (fluctuates)

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obviously, as you have rightly said, disrupting natural hormone balances at your age would not be wise. From the symptoms you have mentioned, yes it does sound as though you have high estrogen levels, although without bloodwork this cannot be a given. If you are building muscle though, be it be under fat or not, it indicates a positive level of testosterone in your body.

Best thing you can do is see a doctor, get the blood tests done and do everything under his supervision and instruction. You sound like a smart and cautious guy, keep that up and do not undertake anything without your doctors support.

All the best mate,

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@testanabol

I would like to add that i also think i have high testostrone levels as well, because i started shaving at 13, daily shaving by 14 (few months ago), can cover a lot of skin on my face + neck in a week, etc., I have a lot of body hair also. Im pretty sure my testostrone levels arent lower either. Its just that i think my estrogen levels are too high, which are causing problems.

I will talk to my doctor anyways, i just needed to know what people think about it here. I will follow his directions perfectly if he prescribes anything, ill take it as ordered. If he suggests i do nothing, same, i wont.

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[quote]ahzaz wrote:
@testanabol

I would like to add that i also think i have high testostrone levels as well, because i started shaving at 13, daily shaving by 14 (few months ago), can cover a lot of skin on my face + neck in a week, etc., I have a lot of body hair also. Im pretty sure my testostrone levels arent lower either. Its just that i think my estrogen levels are too high, which are causing problems.

I will talk to my doctor anyways, i just needed to know what people think about it here. I will follow his directions perfectly if he prescribes anything, ill take it as ordered. If he suggests i do nothing, same, i wont.[/quote]

Quality response. Shows you have your head on straight and I wish you luck. Hopefully your doctor will be open enough to listen to someone your age.

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good stuff mate, for a young man you have your head screwed on very tightly and are the kind of person this forum welcomes with open arms.

If you have a high testosterone level this may be the root of your estrogen problem if this is indeed verified by your doc.

Dont know if you have a grasp of the hormone system or not, so please dont be offended if this is alredy to your knowledge - if the body detects what it considers an exess of testosterone in the body, it will convert some of this to estrogen in order to keep a balance within itself.

As AAS users, we use a variety of different methods to control this as we are adding large amounts of testosterone to our bodies on a regular basis.

Dependant on the severity of your case your doc may prescribe a mild dose of an aromatose inhibitor but realistically i think he will instruct you to ride it out for a good while longer, you should find that the older you get and the more adapted you become to testosterone, things will sort themselves out.

let us know how you go on mate.

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Dont worry, i wont get offended. I talked to my parents, they booked an appointment for next weekend. The only thing im worried about is that they wont take me seriously.

I have one question. Will the aromatose inhabitor reduce testostrone?

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Heres something i thought you would find interesting:

In one recent study, aromatase inhibitors were found to be no more successful at treating pubertal gynecomastia than a placebo. [5]

I think this is pubertal so im not sure if it would fix anything or not, but i’ll leave that to my doctor. He/she should know about this.

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[quote]ahzaz wrote:
Posting in steroid section because people here understand hormones better. If needed, a mod can move the the right section.

I am planning on getting some bloodwork done to see if i have high estrogen levels. I am 14 years old, turning 15 this october. I have puffy nipples and feminine fat deposits. Ive been working out for around 7 months, out of which 3 months were off due to stress from school.

I wanted to ask the people here if getting on anti-estrogens at such a young age could be harmful or not. I have been pretty damn overweight before, probably crossing 25% bf. I dieted (even though i knew i shouldnt) to 12-15% bf. Im fairly satsified with having a few visible abdominal muscles, but i still feel embarassed taking off my shirt because of my “moobs.”

EDIT: I am 5’8", 176-180lb (fluctuates)[/quote]

why is it that you fell you should not have dieted to 12-15%

are you sure that you are 12-15% i think alot of people are confused about 12-15% thats getting down there

i would ride out with a clean diet good cardio and high rep chest training

btw im no skinny guy either, but i am around 5-8 i am roughly 170 lbs my body fat scales say im around 16-19% “they are a 49 dollar step on scale”…and i am damn muscular i roll a 120lb dumbell in each hand on my bench no prob! …who cares thats not the point

point being your diet could have a long way to go along with your commitment to training and with all due respect my friend! i doubt you are 12-15% like i said a lot of people are confused on what 12% bf is

i hope i have not offended you or discouraged you i care about a young mans concern, i wish the best! but i think your problem is controllable w/o drugs those fat deposits can be worked out you will prevail

keep us posted

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I think the OP is correct, its a puberty thing (Gyno) due to raging amounts of endogenous Test: some of wich your body aromatizes to estrogen. Again he is obviously a very sensible guy, I would be very interested in hearing the outcome azhaz.
Please keep us posted.

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Yes do the blood work. If your E2 is high and you lower it to a decent level, that will be harmless. You do not want to take E2 too low, then that is harmful.

You should try to get your E2 levels to the lower 20’s [ 0-53 pg/ml]. Use Arimidex/anastrozole. Letrozole is too unpredictable from a dose-response point of view. Young lean males have low[er] estrogen levels and you are seeking to have that.

The treatment is easy. Finding a doctor who knows what to do will be the challenge. You might have to fight to get proper treatment. Do not stand for ay “you will grow out of it”.

It would be a good idea to also take a SERM, but not long term. Nolvadex would be the better one. Clomid will also work, but has some side effects for some that you do not want.

If you can get a complete hormone workup, that would be good. TT, FT, E2, LS, FSH, SHBG, prolactin, progesterone. Skip saliva tests. You will probably need an endocrinologist to deal with that.

At your age, T should be high and E low.

Stay away from tea tree oil and lavender oil, acts like estrogen.

Have you had any blows to the head or whip lash in the time frame leading up to the start of this?

Nolvadex 20mg/day.
Arimidex 1mg/wk in divided doses.

When you stop a SERM you must taper off, never stop suddenly. Once breast tissue develops [not the fat] it is harder to shrink and eliminate the longer that it exists. So time is a critical issue. I would want to get the blood draws for the lab, then start on Arimidex and Nolvadex immediately, not waiting for the lab results.

When you get your E2 under control, you should slowly have a [slow] change in fat patterns and should loose fat. You may need to treat this estrogen problem for a long time.

Best of luck… You are now headed down the right road.

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KS,

How would you suggest he taper off? Or even how long to run the dosages you suggest?

I imagine it would different than someone coming off a cycle which is why I ask…

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[quote]KSman wrote:
Yes do the blood work. If your E2 is high and you lower it to a decent level, that will be harmless. You do not want to take E2 too low, then that is harmful.

You should try to get your E2 levels to the lower 20’s [ 0-53 pg/ml]. Use Arimidex/anastrozole. Letrozole is too unpredictable from a dose-response point of view. Young lean males have low[er] estrogen levels and you are seeking to have that.

The treatment is easy. Finding a doctor who knows what to do will be the challenge. You might have to fight to get proper treatment. Do not stand for ay “you will grow out of it”.

It would be a good idea to also take a SERM, but not long term. Nolvadex would be the better one. Clomid will also work, but has some side effects for some that you do not want.

If you can get a complete hormone workup, that would be good. TT, FT, E2, LS, FSH, SHBG, prolactin, progesterone. Skip saliva tests. You will probably need an endocrinologist to deal with that.

At your age, T should be high and E low.

Stay away from tea tree oil and lavender oil, acts like estrogen.

Have you had any blows to the head or whip lash in the time frame leading up to the start of this?

Nolvadex 20mg/day.
Arimidex 1mg/wk in divided doses.

When you stop a SERM you must taper off, never stop suddenly. Once breast tissue develops [not the fat] it is harder to shrink and eliminate the longer that it exists. So time is a critical issue. I would want to get the blood draws for the lab, then start on Arimidex and Nolvadex immediately, not waiting for the lab results.

When you get your E2 under control, you should slowly have a [slow] change in fat patterns and should loose fat. You may need to treat this estrogen problem for a long time.

Best of luck… You are now headed down the right road. [/quote]

K, i have a few questions.

  1. Will any of these have side-effects? (other than losing fat, moobs, etc.)

  2. How long do i have to run the cycle?

  3. Do I HAVE to taper off? If so, why?

  4. What would i ask for when i ask for the blood work? Do i ask for a hormonal checkup?

  5. Can i wait till AFTER the results get back? I dont really want to do anything to my hormones before i get anything from the doctor.

  6. What type of doctor should i ask for?

  7. How long do u think it will take until this is all fixed up? I had a few goals for this summer and my 18th birthday and i would REALLY like to achieve them, or atleast come close. They arent very extreme either.

As for your question, i didnt suffer any injuries to my head. For some reason, my 2 younger brothers (11 and 8) do have similar fat patterns, and slight (almost unnoticiable) moobs. I think it might be genetic, although my dad doesnt have anything like this. Hes never worked out, but at 48, from what i know, he still has the test of a 20-30 yr old. One of the most masculine people i know. Although, he did start shaving near 16, for what its worth.

@whoever asked about the body fat thing
Thats why on the OP i wrote that i have a big skeletal structure. My weight doesnt reflect my appearance much. People would guess (by looking at me) to being around 150lb. My bones are pretty dense (never broken a bone in my life) so i weigh more. And yea, it is 12-15%, because i read somewhere that the top 2 abs are visible up to 15%, i have the top 4 visible. Remember, the body fat % is just a number. You cant tell a person’s physique by just a number. Thats why i dont consider myself “built” because im not. I might be big to the kids around my age, but im pretty small for my weight.

BTW, thanks for the info. Really helpful.

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Ahzaz, just a side not having been in your position. And still struggling with the ‘moobs’ thing. Its really hard to make a REAL determination when the is a highish level of bodyfat. I understand you embarrassment and do encourage you to visit the doc. However, understand that even if he does put you on the proper drugs, it will not cure your perceived ‘weight problem’, you MUST do the cardio, you MUST follow the diet, and the lower your BF gets, the harder time you will have.

Understand I am not questioning your determination nor your work ethic, but you know where I’ve come from physique wise and I was very similar to you at the age of 14. You just have to always keep in your mind the question “Have I REALLY hit the cardio and diet hard enough to warrant the results I expect”. Remember that.

Still, like I said, see the doc, if I get alot leaner and still have the chest fat issues I perceive in myself I may see the doctor as well. But I know I spent alot of time being overweight and I still have some fat to lose. That being said, everybody stores fat differently, including some more on their chests. Sorry for rambling, see the doc. But like I said, keep in your mind the question “Have I REALLY exhausted all avenues…or can I improve on those cheat meals or that lack of cardio etc etc”. Its very hard to admit such to oneself when you are already working hard, as I’m sure you hard, but some, like ourselves possibly, will just have to work harder than others.

Keep your head up.

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@GS

I tried, got down from what was probably over 25% to what it is now. I probably cheat on my diet once every 2 or more weeks. Even at that point, i should have ATLEAST dropped even a LITTLE bit of chest fat, if it IS fat and not tissue. You cant burn tissue. Cardio, i would do so intensly, that my shirt would be shades darker, and the machine (stepper, read it burns the most calories) would be covered with sweat. I would drip all over it.

After that i would be so tired i would have trouble walking down from the gym to my locker rooms. I worked as intensly as i could. I would bench like my life depends on it, Deadlift till i was sore, and try to perfect my squat technique as much as i can. I think i put in as much as i possibly could.

As for diet, i was eating next to nothing (not anorexic). I was living off a little bit of calories in hopes of fixing the weight and moobs problem. I did a LOT of stupid shit in hopes of fixing this. I got pretty close, and was pretty satisfied with my progress.

I started getting stuck a few months ago, after which no matter how hard i tried, i couldnt lose weight. My weight just moved up and down because of water retention (took creatine) and thats about it. Every month, i’d hope for that little bit of fat loss, the maybe 1lb, or even .1" off my waist or my chest. Didnt happen. I cant drop my calories THAT low (<1000) in hopes of losing weight.

I just want to get my blood tested atleast once. All i need is some reassurance. If i have a normal estrogen level (as some said, in 20s) then i’ll just try to shed as much blood and sweat as i can to get as low as possible. If not, then ill blame it on estrogen, and get treatment.

Thanks for the concern, but i think that after losing over 20lb (total weight, added muscle also, probably lost atleast 30lb of fat) i should have had atleast a SLIGHT difference. And i dont think puffy nipples are a cause of fat alone.

OH and also, at hangiron, I felt i should have added a lot of muscle before dieting, so i would have a base muscle, and not look like a smaller version of myself.

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I understand man. Like I said, don’t take it as a discouragement, just keep the mindset as all. I’m saying that simply because I DO KNOW where your coming from, from experience, and I understand the distress it causes. Like I tried to stress, I was not trying to shortchange you in any way.

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[quote]KSman wrote:
Yes do the blood work. If your E2 is high and you lower it to a decent level, that will be harmless. You do not want to take E2 too low, then that is harmful.

You should try to get your E2 levels to the lower 20’s [ 0-53 pg/ml]. Use Arimidex/anastrozole. Letrozole is too unpredictable from a dose-response point of view. Young lean males have low[er] estrogen levels and you are seeking to have that.

The treatment is easy. Finding a doctor who knows what to do will be the challenge. You might have to fight to get proper treatment. Do not stand for ay “you will grow out of it”.

It would be a good idea to also take a SERM, but not long term. Nolvadex would be the better one. Clomid will also work, but has some side effects for some that you do not want.

If you can get a complete hormone workup, that would be good. TT, FT, E2, LS, FSH, SHBG, prolactin, progesterone. Skip saliva tests. You will probably need an endocrinologist to deal with that.

At your age, T should be high and E low.

Stay away from tea tree oil and lavender oil, acts like estrogen.

Have you had any blows to the head or whip lash in the time frame leading up to the start of this?

Nolvadex 20mg/day.
Arimidex 1mg/wk in divided doses.

When you stop a SERM you must taper off, never stop suddenly. Once breast tissue develops [not the fat] it is harder to shrink and eliminate the longer that it exists. So time is a critical issue. I would want to get the blood draws for the lab, then start on Arimidex and Nolvadex immediately, not waiting for the lab results.

When you get your E2 under control, you should slowly have a [slow] change in fat patterns and should loose fat. You may need to treat this estrogen problem for a long time.

Best of luck… You are now headed down the right road. [/quote]

with all due respect ksman you are talking serious chemicals to a 14 year old

i know these are references to be brought forth to a doctor… and i am not trying to start shit please understand that! but i do feel that you should express your concerns about having these medically supervised when giving such references

now i will express my thoughts as to keep off these drugs a little longer and keep training/dieting harder

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I understand man. Like I said, don’t take it as a discouragement, just keep the mindset as all. I’m saying that simply because I DO KNOW where your coming from, from experience, and I understand the distress it causes. Like I tried to stress, I was not trying to shortchange you in any way.[/quote]

No no i didnt feel like you were shortchanging me, i just wanted to say that i tried the best i could, and got (IMO) far. No one is perfect, but we all try to be the next best thing right? I saw how you went from the chubby linebacker look to a “meso” look. It was impressive.

I can’t do the V-Diet, and i probably already risked my growth spurts by eating low calories, so i dont want to mess with that even more. I understood what you were saying, on how we have to work that little bit harder, because of our genetics. Its a life-long journey, and we have to go through it, weather we like it or not.

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[quote]hangiron wrote:
KSman wrote:
Yes do the blood work. If your E2 is high and you lower it to a decent level, that will be harmless. You do not want to take E2 too low, then that is harmful.

You should try to get your E2 levels to the lower 20’s [ 0-53 pg/ml]. Use Arimidex/anastrozole. Letrozole is too unpredictable from a dose-response point of view. Young lean males have low[er] estrogen levels and you are seeking to have that.

The treatment is easy. Finding a doctor who knows what to do will be the challenge. You might have to fight to get proper treatment. Do not stand for ay “you will grow out of it”.

It would be a good idea to also take a SERM, but not long term. Nolvadex would be the better one. Clomid will also work, but has some side effects for some that you do not want.

If you can get a complete hormone workup, that would be good. TT, FT, E2, LS, FSH, SHBG, prolactin, progesterone. Skip saliva tests. You will probably need an endocrinologist to deal with that.

At your age, T should be high and E low.

Stay away from tea tree oil and lavender oil, acts like estrogen.

Have you had any blows to the head or whip lash in the time frame leading up to the start of this?

Nolvadex 20mg/day.
Arimidex 1mg/wk in divided doses.

When you stop a SERM you must taper off, never stop suddenly. Once breast tissue develops [not the fat] it is harder to shrink and eliminate the longer that it exists. So time is a critical issue. I would want to get the blood draws for the lab, then start on Arimidex and Nolvadex immediately, not waiting for the lab results.

When you get your E2 under control, you should slowly have a [slow] change in fat patterns and should loose fat. You may need to treat this estrogen problem for a long time.

Best of luck… You are now headed down the right road.

with all due respect ksman you are talking serious chemicals to a 14 year old

i know these are references to be brought forth to a doctor… and i am not trying to start shit please understand that! but i do feel that you should express your concerns about having these medically supervised when giving such references

now i will express my thoughts as to keep off these drugs a little longer and keep training/dieting harder [/quote]

That was the reason i said that i’d prefer that i get the go’head from the doctor before putting anything into my body which messes with my hormones. I might screw around with diet and excersize, but messing around with hormones, especially at 14, doesnt seem like a good idea, unless supervised.

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i wish at least half the new posters here in the aas forum were as respectful as you ahzaz

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
KS,

How would you suggest he taper off? Or even how long to run the dosages you suggest?

I imagine it would different than someone coming off a cycle which is why I ask…[/quote]

SERMs do not reduce E. If you stop suddenly, the E that is there can act as an estrogen rebound and inhibit the release of LH from the pituitary.

How Long to run these? Until the tissue is shrunk and does not seem to be shrinking any more, stay on the adex as long as needed. Guided by blood work to maintain the dose.

There are no rules. There is no body of knowledge of what to do exactly.

Comming off of a cycle, there are the issues of restarting the HPTA and LH and not letting an E rebound wreck that. In this case, the HL production is not shutdown from a cycle. The adex and SERM should increase LH and thus T production. In this case, when the SERM is tapered out, the T levels should reduce and less adex should be needed to maintain a given E target level.