Im curently using 250mg of test E and 400mg of Equipose weekly.
Wow, 60mg!! Isnt that a bit much?
[quote]nickelh wrote:
Im curently using 250mg of test E and 400mg of Equipose weekly.
Wow, 60mg!! Isnt that a bit much?[/quote]
You want to get the gyno under control donāt you??
60 for a few days then gradually taper the dose down.
Seems like a very lose dose of anabolics to induce gyno, sorry for your situation.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
nickelh wrote:
I started getting symptoms of gyno today and started using a generic of nolva immediately after using it, I know now that letro would be the way to go but since im from South Africa my options are extremely limited, please help me to work with what ive got.
My generic of nolva comes in 10mg pills, would using 20mg be enough till my symptoms disappear?? How long wil it approximately take to go away?
Should i continue with my cycle as usual?
Telling us what compounds you are taking for your cycle would be helpful.
Take upwards of 60mgs per day for a few days then drop the dose down gradually until the symptoms go away.
You really should be using an AI. But if it is completely impossible to get one then using nolva throughout will probably be the best way to prevent gyno. Once you have the symptoms under control 10-20mgs per day should be enough. [/quote]
Dude, no. Adex or Letro ASAP. Nolva wonāt do SHIT for getting rid of gyno.
Seriously, if you start a cycle without Adex/Letro on hand you get what you deserve.
Could using priviron help at all?
[quote]nickelh wrote:
Could using priviron help at all?[/quote]
I wont hurt at 50mg/day. Deinitely no guarentee that it prevent enough aromatization to stop gyno formation, even at the low dose you are running.
I donāt know how well this fits in here since Iāve never ran a cycle. Iām 16 and I have puffy nipples, sometimes sore, funny fat storage and lumps under both of my nipples. Sounds pretty much like gyno, eh? So, should I just wait and see if my body gets itās hormones under control, risking to need to remove those glands if it fails, or is there any chance that if I went to a doctor or anything I would get some drugs to keep it under control?
My current bodyfat is around 15%, maybe a little higher so I understand the fat tissue might actually belong there at this point, but Iāve never heard of anyone getting lumps (swollen mammary glands?) from getting fatter. I also had puffy nipples when I was around 10% bodyfat although I never thought much of it or looked for any lumps because I didnāt think you could get gyno without juicing. If it helps my chest looks pretty normal when my nipples are erect and I could post pictures if you need.
Edit: Could it maybe work to tell a doc that the hormonal imbalances that gyno is a symptom of could lead to health implications and get him to treat my hormone levels that way, or would I need a specific drug like letro to reduce my gyno?
P.S. That is not me in my avatar. If it was I obviously wouldnāt be complaining, Iād be too busy playing with my tits.
[quote]shoo wrote:
I donāt know how well this fits in here since Iāve never ran a cycle. Iām 16 and I have puffy nipples, sometimes sore, funny fat storage and lumps under both of my nipples. Sounds pretty much like gyno, eh? So, should I just wait and see if my body gets itās hormones under control, risking to need to remove those glands if it fails, or is there any chance that if I went to a doctor or anything I would get some drugs to keep it under control?
My current bodyfat is around 15%, maybe a little higher so I understand the fat tissue might actually belong there at this point, but Iāve never heard of anyone getting lumps (swollen mammary glands?) from getting fatter. I also had puffy nipples when I was around 10% bodyfat although I never thought much of it or looked for any lumps because I didnāt think you could get gyno without juicing. If it helps my chest looks pretty normal when my nipples are erect and I could post pictures if you need.
Edit: Could it maybe work to tell a doc that the hormonal imbalances that gyno is a symptom of could lead to health implications and get him to treat my hormone levels that way, or would I need a specific drug like letro to reduce my gyno?
P.S. That is not me in my avatar. If it was I obviously wouldnāt be complaining, Iād be too busy playing with my tits.[/quote]
I donāt have any real advice sorry. But at 16 there is always going to be a risk if you choose to take an AI or SERM.
If you havenāt already looked there is a stickied thread in the T-cell about gyno. Maybe PM one of those guys the question to have it posted there, if you cant find an answer through reading.
Thanks, I read through the T-Cell thread again. Too bad they say surgery is the only way to get rid of it, but it seems some letro or nolva would at least inhibit further development, which is good. I could walk around with this, but more would make me too uncomfortable. I also read I should be able to get a doctor to give me Nolvadex, but Iām uncertain on other drugs.
Anyway, Iād much rather mess up my hormones mildly than risk having to wait for several years feeling uncomfortable and finally have to shell out 3-5 grand.
What would be the expected side effects of using an aromatese inhibitor or āSERMā at 16 years of age. I did read through some, but most were just kids wanting to juice and being told to stop being so dumb. This is not about getting stronger or bigger, itās to prevent having surgery later. Keep in mind the doses probably would be notably lower than in a real cycle since I wonāt have any synthetic hormones in my bloodstream.
Iām most interested in hearing about Nolvadex, but really, all imformation on any substance that could do the job would be very helpful.
[quote]shoo wrote:
Thanks, I read through the T-Cell thread again. Too bad they say surgery is the only way to get rid of it, but it seems some letro or nolva would at least inhibit further development, which is good. I could walk around with this, but more would make me too uncomfortable. I also read I should be able to get a doctor to give me Nolvadex, but Iām uncertain on other drugs.
Anyway, Iād much rather mess up my hormones mildly than risk having to wait for several years feeling uncomfortable and finally have to shell out 3-5 grand.
What would be the expected side effects of using an aromatese inhibitor or āSERMā at 16 years of age. I did read through some, but most were just kids wanting to juice and being told to stop being so dumb. This is not about getting stronger or bigger, itās to prevent having surgery later. Keep in mind the doses probably would be notably lower than in a real cycle since I wonāt have any synthetic hormones in my bloodstream.
Iām most interested in hearing about Nolvadex, but really, all imformation on any substance that could do the job would be very helpful.[/quote]
I have no idea what the effects of a SERM would be on a 16 year old. Talk to a doc or start a thread and maybe someone can help.
Saying youād rather mess up your hormones slightly is the immaturity of a 16 year old talking. I am not trying to insult you at all. Everyone thinks they are bulletproof when they are young. Donāt fall into that trap unless you are completely sure of the possible ramifications.
If you go to a doc to get a perscription you will have to convice him/her that the gyno is causing social problems and not just something you dont like looking at.
I was thinking more like being guaranteed to make a minor mess would be better then have a small risk of making a big mess. Kind of like how you pay insurance, but youāre right. I have no idea what the effects would be on my endoctrine system so I am mainly being immature.
I also heard pubertal gyno has a good chance of receeding unless itās an extreme case, which itās not. Iāll do some more reading on AIās and SERMās and decide if itās even worth bothering a doctor about. I mean, if Iād risk needing hormone replacement to even get an erection by cycling then goddamnit, bring on the bitch tits!
Anyway, what side effects are to be expected of running an AI or SERM only cycle? I understand there are virtually no studies on underage subjects, but what are they usually for an older(25-35, not 80+) person.
And I guess being called nipplemeister would be enough to get a doc to sympathize with me, heh.
An AI would be a bad plan, and SERM would be feasible and would probably work.
But there isnt a doctor alive that would prescribe an SERM to a 16 year old for pubertal gyno.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
An AI would be a bad plan, and SERM would be feasible and would probably work.
But there isnt a doctor alive that would prescribe an SERM to a 16 year old for pubertal gyno.
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Thanks, Iāll drop this and see how it developes. I just hate wait and see techniques.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
An AI would be a bad plan, and SERM would be feasible and would probably work.
But there isnt a doctor alive that would prescribe an SERM to a 16 year old for pubertal gyno.
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True.
Damn doc told me that it was temorary >_>
I suggest male doctors, women doctors wouldnt know what it feels like to be a male with one of the most prominant female parts.
I am not sure how true that is - a person would have to have the empathy of āRainmanā to not be able to imagine what it would be like to have a large sexual organ of the opposite sex attachedā¦
A king prawn or bitchtits for a crude exampleā¦ ;D
Brook
you could potentially get some reserach nolva and begin self medication.
But I dont think nolva is approved for usage agiasnt gyno. Im not sure.
Even if the doc understood, it would be risky for him to prescribe a female breast cancer drug to a young male for usage in a manner that is not fully accepted by the medical community.
Thanks for all the help, but Iāve decided to wait it out, and if that doesnāt work. Well, letās hope I have the money for the surgery then. Or at least painkillers.
DevilDog
I visited the site you mentioned in your link and searched for non-surgical treatment. One of the posters listed some product known as Andractim. It looks like it is topical. Has anyone heard of this treatment?
Below is the discussion from the link you provided.
http://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/index.php?topic=3555.msg28165
in my arsenal i have nolvadex and timoxifen citrate, not up top it said that it can be used on cycle to treat gyno? or did i miscunderstand, i already asked a few people and they said it can not, but i wanted to clear things up. Unfortunately i am compeltely out of money right now, and i jsut wanted to take precaution i nmy cycle of test p, tren ace and dbol. Again all i have is timoxifen citrate and nolvadex. Can i used one of those to prevent even the thought of gyno?
SERMs like Nolva are optimal for two purposes:
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To treat a flareup of gyno quickly during cycle.
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For PCT post-cycle.
An AI like Adex or Letro costs around $70. Scrape up the cash and order pronto.
iām currently running my first cycle of 500mg of test e a week. been running letro at 0.125mg a day with good results. had tried bumping my letro to 0.25mg a day and my joints started to get all poppy.
now to my question. i actually have a slight case of gyno prior to the cycle due to being on the tubby side in my younger days. i was thinking of attempting to reduce it by running the protocol towards the end of my cycle leading up to my pct. i was wondering if its necessary to taper up the dose or is it ok to just run it straight at 2.5mg a day for about a week and then taper down?
also, regarding the estrogen rebound. wouldntāt the taper down from the letro control the rebound? the protocol says that you will need to run nolva to prevent the rebound. will this still be needed if the method of pct is through the stasis taper?