I have a question. I recently ran 250 mgs enan, T3, HGH and arimidex/liquidex. However with that small dose of test which is the lowest I have ever run…I started to aromatize. I am wondering is it possible to have a bad batch or arimidex or is it possible arimidex doesnt work on some people…I just dont understand how I would aromatize on 250 mgs of enan and taking some arimidex. Any help would be appreciated.
You probably got fake/underdosed arimidex. Research AI’s arent what they were 2+ years ago.
Long time reader first time poster. Just a quick question for those that have had the surgery, i just had it on the 28th of June. Its actually the second time ive had the surgery. The first one didn’t “take” the doctor said. He said 99.9% of the time it doesn’t come back but somebody has to be that .01.
He also said he took out a lot of scar tissue. Im just wondering how long you guys waited untill you started hitting chest and shoulders again. Ive been able to do legs and some back but thats about it. Thanks for all the info from some of you. I’ve used it to grow and am still in the process of doing that. Thanks agian for replies.
Hi,
New hear so please be nice! lol
I have gyno, I had a f’ing mammogram to have it confirmed. It’s only on one side. I’m currently on Test and Deca cycle and was running Liquid Tamox from Ar-r but that wasn’t touching this. SO I ordered Liquid Torem from them… nice minty flavor! lol In any case, I’m a total retard when it comes to all this dosing info. I have an oral syringe, do I fill it up once fully or fill it up twice fully too the 1 ml mark?
Also reading the above info I see this: .25mg or .50mg ED … OK in this oral syringe how does one figure the .25 or .50 mg (rather than ml)? See that’s where I get confused about all this. I don’t know how much to take. I’ve been ignored on other sites I’ve asked in and it’s really annoying. Please, someone set me straight on how to dose and how to understand Mg VS Ml’s with this oral syringe…
OK, found an article that explains things a bit more …
http://ezinearticles.com/?Injections---How-Much-is-an-ml,-cc,-IU?&id=149809
My findings, which may be way off but I’m no chemist so …
Torem, anti estrogen liquid from Ar-r is 60ml. 60mg/ml
Oral Syringe measurements:
My oral syringe is 1 ml = 1 cc syringe = 60 mg’s of product? Is that right?
So if I’m to use 250Mg’s of Torem at the highest dose to reduce or eliminate gyno I would have to use 4 syringes worth of this stuff?? WOW!
Or I could be totally wrong but at least I’m trying to understand this a bit more…
Thanks,
Richard
Yeah on this:
Torem, anti estrogen liquid from Ar-r is 60ml. 60mg/ml
Oral Syringe measurements:
My oral syringe is 1 ml = 1 cc syringe = 60 mg’s of product? Is that right? That is right.
How much test and deca are you taking per week? How long have you been on? Previous cycle history? Previous gyno history. We wanna make sure we get to the root of the problem accurately
OK… here is the story… I’m immune compromised… I was on ‘gear’ a few years back to recover from some weight loss issues. I took a course to inform myself on this called PoWeR by Nelson Vergel. Took that info to my doc, and he OK’d my using Deca and Test. Learned to do the injections myself all was good. I put on weight, muscle, energy, felt better than I had in years.
In that info though there was a strong regard for using Nolvadex to keep any gyno under control during the cycles and since I was so wet behind the ears but sick and needed the therapy and my doc said “no” to the Nolvadex I just went along with it… years later, off the ‘gear’ for years but all of a sudden, like the longest delayed reaction ever up popped gyno.
Last year I went to my doc and mentioned it… he told me to ignore it but this year it really flared up bad. So now I’m back on gear to put on some muscle again (no apparent reason why my body just looses it’s desire to keep going but I’m sure as hell not ready to call it a day so…) and I’m on Test and Deca again.
The Testoserone and Deca are both “black label” so not allot of info on the bottles… the Test does say 250Mg/ml but the Deca does not provide that info at all but I think my guy said it was 300Mg/ml iirc …
Monday - 1cc of test
Wednesday - 1 cc of Deca
Friday - 1 cc of test
I’m trying to learn about this as much as I can as fast as I can but time is of the essence for me. Yea, I like the muscle, the energy, the sex drive and all that but mostly it’s just to stay healthy and alive in my case. I know most of the folks here are just interested in it for personal reasons other than health. I’m all about health first and the rest is bonus!
Not sure what else to say here… I probably shared too much but I have a tendency to do that… If you need more info let me know…
Oh and thanks for the help,
Richard
500mg test and 300mg Deca a week, ok, good. One follow up question. You said your Dr. ok’s the test and deca. Are you using prescribed stuff then? You also mentioned “my guy” and black label like maybe its UGL stuff, just wondering. If you get stuff from your Dr. I’d have him check your bloodwork, you wanna see where your E2 amongst other things is. Running 500mg of test for months on end is usually going to require some kind of AI.
What you have are SERM’s which are arguably better for once the gyno has already set in. So running the SERM would hopefully reduce that gyno down for you. But estrogen is better controlled for a long term situation like yours thru the use of something like anastrozole. Again, most of this stuff can probably be acquired thru your Dr. via Rx.
if you can feel something that feels sort of like a gland under the nipple, i would say say yes
[quote]bodywork wrote:
Long time reader first time poster. Just a quick question for those that have had the surgery, i just had it on the 28th of June. Its actually the second time ive had the surgery. The first one didn’t “take” the doctor said. He said 99.9% of the time it doesn’t come back but somebody has to be that .01.
He also said he took out a lot of scar tissue. Im just wondering how long you guys waited untill you started hitting chest and shoulders again. Ive been able to do legs and some back but thats about it. Thanks for all the info from some of you. I’ve used it to grow and am still in the process of doing that. Thanks agian for replies.[/quote]
About a month or so… but I had ‘smart lipo’ not where they cut around the nipple, they make tiny incisions on the frontal deltoid.
[quote]bodywork wrote:
Long time reader first time poster. Just a quick question for those that have had the surgery, i just had it on the 28th of June. Its actually the second time ive had the surgery. The first one didn’t “take” the doctor said. He said 99.9% of the time it doesn’t come back but somebody has to be that .01.
He also said he took out a lot of scar tissue. Im just wondering how long you guys waited untill you started hitting chest and shoulders again. Ive been able to do legs and some back but thats about it. Thanks for all the info from some of you. I’ve used it to grow and am still in the process of doing that. Thanks agian for replies.[/quote]
Sorry, just to add…
A cosmetic surgeon did mine, a breast specialist doctor in general couldn’t give a f@@@ about cosmetics and even when they do still tend to make a mess in terms of scarring. My surgeon said that it will come back if all the glands aren’t removed properly, although there are other variables at play so i’m suggesting your doctor didn’t do the surgery properly I’m just sharing my experience.
Prof x has a thread in the t cell group about gyno also if you haven’t seen it that may be of interest to you.
I have a gyno that is 2cm in diameter but its really thin and its not visible. I have always had little bit puffiness in my nipples… Maybe I will have to get it cut before a contest but we’ll see, it should get a bit smaller when I lose the extra fat tissue from my chest too. Now my fat% is about 15.
I had a moderate case of gyno through puberty that I had taken care of through surgery. Best decision ever. I am naturally very barrel chested with wide shoulders, so every-time I would actually get in good shape, it made the gyno appear worse. Got my surgery done by a specialist (Dr. Blau, White Plains NY) and the results were perfect. Removed about 6 ounces of breast tissue from either side.
Nipple puffiness gone, no visible scar (did right below areola, bout a half inch wide, really have to be looking hard to see anything), contoured the chest perfectly; back in shape, now actually have pecs and definition between. The doctor is the absolute best, another body building forum actually banned mention of him as they thought all the positive reviews were spam. Like in my case, if no way of getting rid of it, surgery is a must. Insurance didn’t cover the procedure but, really wasn’t too costly, and was cheaper than most hack chest lipo from other plastic surgeons.
My father was so impressed with the results, he had the procedure done this past summer in Dallas (can’t remember the Dr.s name, but he trained with Blau) and his results were incredible (13 and 15 ounces removed) 56 years old, no sagging tissue. Again, if nothing else works, I can’t recommend surgery enough.
I tried to post this in the T-call but they wouldn’t let me so I’ve just copied and pasted the message here, I hope it helps a few people as I’ve had a couple of PM’s asking me about gyno surgery…
Hi all,
(I’m in the UK BTW)
I’m not sure if I’m ‘allowed’ to post in these here T-cells, but here goes, I’ll soon find out if I’m not LOL
I was born with Gyno and had surgery last year, I posted a little about it in the Gyno thread in the steroid forum and have had a few PM’s asking questions, so I hope what I post will be of some interest and help to people…
I had a new kind of Gyno surgery called ‘Smart Lipo’ it leaves virtually NO scars and cost me only £2000, which is very competitive for central London. I got the train home and was only there a few hours, I was lifting a week or two later, though the ‘look’ improved slowly over a year or so.
It was fucking painful and a hot nurse came in halfway through to talk to the doctors-not at all embarrassing-I was thinking like “hi, when I’m finished having my man boobs lipo’d would you like to come and get a drink?” It hurts because they make a tiny incision on each front delt and stick a long thin kind of hoover tube down to the nipple and hoover everything out but they have to kind of ‘scrape’ the glands off the inside of your skin, for a few months I could see the scrape marks through my skin but they’ve all gone now. There was a big jar next to the table and they suctioned out a pint of liquid and glands from both sides, it was so disgusting but it was such a relief to have it gone at last it was well worth it.
This is where I had it done, the clinic had a few bad reviews but I had no problems: http://www.bodysmooth.co.uk/
Next I might get a penis enlargement… you know how plastic surgery can become addictive 
I have minor gyno on my one side its very minor, but still bugs me alot cause you know its there. I was wondering how long i’d be out of the gym for!? I dont wanna be sitting around for a month lol. Im trying to set up an appointment soon so the surgeon can take a look at it. This is so annoying I just wanna get it taken care of its pretty small, just a tiny bit puffy.
Buddaboy it really hurt that bad? maybe it was the way they did it? Anyone else got really minor removed on one side?
The first poster mentioned that it would be best doing letro while on cycle to minimize the side effects of low estrogen. What if you’re taking something that barely aromatizes at all, say, oral TBOL? Could one still do the protocol while taking that or would the non-aromatizing AAS only make matters worse?
I just had gyno surgery 2 days ago. I had a bit on my right side.(puberty) It looked like a bit but the surgeon said there was a big chunk of tissue in there!
Glad I got it done, was sick of having it on the one side. It wasn’t that bad. Hurt a bit I gues but wasnt bad at all. Im recovering right now it throbs a bit. Anyone have any questions I would be glad to share the experience.
And the plastic surgeon was very good. He was a friend of a friend so I got in in about a week. Lucky me haha
does anyone have any experience or literature on the effects of alcohol and gyno? could one night of binge drinking really cause a gyno flare up? alcohol lowers your test levels but i never thought appreciably, especially when taking a large synthetic dose
[quote]gm09 wrote:
does anyone have any experience or literature on the effects of alcohol and gyno? could one night of binge drinking really cause a gyno flare up? alcohol lowers your test levels but i never thought appreciably, especially when taking a large synthetic dose[/quote]
I used to feel my gyno get ‘puffy’ when I had boozy weekends.
[quote]buddaboy wrote:
[quote]gm09 wrote:
does anyone have any experience or literature on the effects of alcohol and gyno? could one night of binge drinking really cause a gyno flare up? alcohol lowers your test levels but i never thought appreciably, especially when taking a large synthetic dose[/quote]
I used to feel my gyno get ‘puffy’ when I had boozy weekends. [/quote]
hmmm im doing my second cycle in 2 weeks, during the second half of it i will probably be doing a decent amount of partying. during my first cycle i went a full 8 weeks without a sip of alcohol.
I was curious if anyone had the surgery done and had all the tissue removed. Did you notice your hormones change and all for you to lose the weight easier, and gain muscle easier as well?