Because it is a very potent drug and as such low doses are particularly effective for keeping Estrogen very low.
If off cycle, then 2.5mg will make you feel very shit indeed - and IME it will have little extra effect on existing Gyno that a dose of 0.25-0.5mg which (again off cycle) should in my experience be more than enough to drive estrogen low enough so it has no bearing on the gyno.
For example of its effectiveness in potency compared to Arimidex - i use a dose of 0.25mg of Letro where for the same level of effectiveness i would use ~1mg Arimidex.
I believe that the reason letro is believed to have this effect is simply when estrogen levels are low or very low, any existing gyno will be at its smallest, just as on cycle it will grow temporarily only to return to its previous size after levels normalise. AIās allow this to occur faster than naturally and to a greater degreeā¦ so i recommend using a low dose AI after the cycle to help things along - if predisposed to such issues.
Ok,this is a tricky one,I would ask my doctor,but I trust them on issues like this about as far as I could throw them.
Iāve had poor chest definition since I was a teenager,a factor may be that when growing up as akid,I was put on a special diet for ADHD which was additive and dairy-free,hence a lot of Soy milk/soy products were consumed for years.
I have a mesomorph/endomorph type body-I put on muscle really easy,but also fat,and I struggle hard to get my body fat down and get definition,I get big,but often the muscle is soft/rounded.I tend to have more of a slightly chubby powerlifter look when I bulk up.
But my chest is the softest of all my muscles,with pointy,puffy nipples-they feel a little l-even when I have whittled my body fat down to 11-12%,really lean,and every muscle is ripped,with a carved-out six-pack,my chest still looks disappointing,I can add muscle,size,and strength to my chest,and I have tried many different approaches to chest training over 5 years,but with no change to the general odd shape and nipple area(I may post a pic if it helps)
The most important bit-about 2.5 years ago,I got diagnosed with Hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid gland) it is now stable,after having several dosage increases of Levothyroxine (A synthetic thyroid hormone) -If I want to try an Anti-Aromatase,what do I need to consider?
Iām considering running letro for some minor gyneā¦just some minor puffy nipples.
From experience, should I taper or hit it hard at 2.5mg. Also, what should I run for rebound. I was considring running Nolva, but now I hear Aromasion may be a better option.
I did man. Got alot of good information, but just donāt want to make anything worse. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable, so what would you recommend I run when tapering off the Letro to prevent Estrogen rebound?
Not trying to be difficult, but just want some hands on advice.
Hey guys, I took a PH about a year ago and wasnt too smart about taking good PCT. So I ended up getting a small lump in my left nipple. No one can notice it except for me but its still annoying and itās slightly gotten bigger since. I read on page two that Manthony took epistane and then Nolvadex for PCT. I know that epistane has an estrogen blocker within it but would it really help at all to take that. Would it be a better idea to just take some Letro or would it be better to try the epistane and then Nolvadex/Letro?
Assuming your gyno has been there for a little under a year, you will NOT get rid of it with any drug or combination of drugs (and most certainly not using something you can buy at GNC - just because āManthonyā did x, y and z doesnāt mean that is what is recommended).
It may reduce in size during periods of extremely low estrogen (say if you used Letrozole) but it would return to around the same size again on cessation - when your estrogen levels rise back up to the levels they are at the moment.
Live with it or get it removed surgically.
And donāt worry - it is the minority here who do not have a little gyno of some description it seems - myself included.
Most steroid users have a little something, whether its noticeably without extremely close physical inspection or not.
Hell most MEN have a little something, just from puberty.
I have a āfunnyā left nipple, its very estrogen sensitive, and has something I would consider a ālumpā underneath it, although it is much smaller than even a āpeaā which is how we usually describe gyno.
I have run several cycles since I developed it, I always use AIās and SERMās, it gets a little itchy or puffy sometimes if Im not really careful with my AI dosage when using heavily aromatziing steroids like Dbol and large test dosesā¦
Overall it has gotten neither larger nor smaller no matter what I do to it, so I am generally unconcerned, its my āestrogen levelā sensor for fine tuning AIās.
We cant all get blood work every week.
Guys just because your nipples arenāt completely āhallowā against the muscle doesnāt mean you need to hit it hard with enough letro to completely tank your E.
If you have a tiny little lump that you actually have to actively feel around forā¦then keep an eye on it, use your AIās, but dont panic and do something risky that is more likely to cause estrogen rebound and make it worse, out of panic.
I did a cycle of Epistane a few months ago and used nolva for PCT. Itās been about 2 months since I finished PCT and Iāve noticed some small lumps above my nipples. There isnāt anything directly behind my nipple but above the nipple on the lateral side of the chest I have a few small nodules on both pectorals. I can really only feel them when I flex my pec and they arenāt visibly noticeable. Iām not sure if this is the beginning of gyno or not. Iāve ordered letro and was going to start a the dosage laid out in the first page to try and get rid of it but I wanted to check with members here first to see what they thought.
My $.02-
Doesnāt sound like gyno. If in doubt Iād see your doctor. Could be a lipoma which is a hard, roundish fat deposit that is genetic and harmless. It sounds like you did the right thing with the epistane so I doubt that caused it. I tried the letro cycle in this article for probably mild to medium gyno I got a few years ago. As far as I could tell it did zero just like everyone on these forums said, but I had to try. It will probably be a waste of money for you. I then tried some epistane which Iāve read can actually eliminate or reduce gyno. Iād say it reduced it some, maybe 1/4. I started at 30 mg and worked my up to 60mg over 1 1/2 months. From what I read nolv is a fine choice for PCT. I am currently taking liquid nolv at about 37.5mg/1 wk, 25mg/1 wk & 12.5mg/1 wk. Everyone reacts differently to all this stuff but I just thought Iād share for what itās worth. Good luck.
hey everyone. iām pretty sure i developed what i believe to be gyno in my left areola about 2-3 weeks ago. iām 23, and have never touched anabolics or phās. however, i have been bulking pretty hardcore and have gained about 35 pounds in 6 months.
it started out feeling like a little pea sized ball under the lower half of my areola that was very tender. i saw my GP and he said he doubts its gyno since its more of a puberty thing, and thought it was a cyst. he also said gyno is normally symmetrical. he then proceeded to try and pop what he thought was a cyst, which was like a titty twister from hell. he then prescribed a generic antibiotic and said that there could be an infection in there so iāve been taking that. he said we might have to do an ultrasound if it doesnāt go away. he requested that we do a normal blood screen (cholesterol, blood sugar) and i asked if we could test for hormones such as testosterone/ estrogen to see if i was normal and he kind of laughed and asked why I would ever want to test estrogen since Iām not a female.
the weird thing is, is that i think he was wrong that what I have is a cyst because now the lump has gone full circle, its like a hard circle thatās soft in the middle where my nipple is. its still tender, but not quite as painful. if i do a front double bi pose, the everted areola is very noticable.
iām gonna start cutting soon, and iām hoping that it goes away or is not as noticeable.
for those who still suffer from gyno, is it always tender to put pressure on the area or is that just an initial type of thing? i pretty much canāt do chest supported rows and have to be careful tying my shoes that I donāt press on the area.
i donāt really know the purpose of my post, i guess its more of a rant than anything else. iām kinda depressed that if i do have gyno, it will never fully go away unless i get surgery.
Would gyno from a Tren based PH be combated with a compound such as Caber or Bromocriptine? I have since abandoned the idea of taking this specific PH (due to reading the PH sticky), but a close friend is still intent on taking it. I have been doing research into this, and have read that either of the two compounds above would help in reducing gyno from Tren. Any thoughts?
Doing a cycle of 500mg test per week, with my about 0.5mg of arimidex EOD.
Anyway, no nipple/estrogen side effects until today after extreme binge drinking (8 weeks in cycle) - swollen puffy, erect nipples. Should I be panicking?
I have no access to any other SERMS or AIās - is upping my arimidex dose (i have it on prescription) going to do enough?
[quote]OtisJr wrote:
Ya Iām 6ā3" basically. I play competitive basketball, so I get a lot of cardio in dailyā¦ some practices are straight cardio. That is no excuse though, my eating has definately been a downfall of mine. I find it tough to get in all the calories I need to reach my goal of putting on size.
I took M1T 3 years agoā¦ F- that stuff. I took it because at the time a guy on my football team was on it and seeing rediculous results. I was too stupid to research it myself and took his word for it. Luckily all I believe I got from it was a mild case of gyno. I was paranoid and had my liver/kidney values checked and I was fine.
I know I need to start eating harder. Just becoming a member to this site today has already motivated me.
thanks again bro. [/quote]
Just to throw my 2 cents inā¦
Iāve had gyno surgery, I had puffy nipples (I was born with mild gyno) and after the surgery (one year on almost) my nipples look exactly like yours, very āhardā LOL
I would bet that you donāt have gyno, and as Brook said if you do its so minor its not even visible to naked eye and of no worry to you.
It feels like fibrous lumps under your nipples, if you have it you will know about it.
Good luckā¦
[quote]Pavlo1 wrote:
could one binge drinking session cause gyno?
Doing a cycle of 500mg test per week, with my about 0.5mg of arimidex EOD.
Anyway, no nipple/estrogen side effects until today after extreme binge drinking (8 weeks in cycle) - swollen puffy, erect nipples. Should I be panicking?
I have no access to any other SERMS or AIās - is upping my arimidex dose (i have it on prescription) going to do enough? [/quote]
I think 0.5 mg adex eod is fine, the drinking will just cause that flared up feeling,I doubt you could develop gyno on that kind of adex dose and 500mg test and a drinking sessionā¦
is the adex prescription quality?
So I ran Test e weeks 1-9 at 500mg/5 days
I ran var weeks 4-11 at 50mg/day.
I threw in adex at 0.25mg EOD only week 6 when i noticed a little extra water retention.
I started at 157 lbs, 8.7 or so % BF. Iām now at 174 lbs, 7% BF. Great Gains, Great strength. Feel awesome.
Today was my first day of PCT.
This morning I started at 40mg Nolvadex. About 5 hours later I noticed sensitive nipples, also puffy and my right and left one had small hard lumps I could feel when I rubbed them. Not only that, but when I barely even squeezed my nipple, I was lactating from like 4 different spots immediately (its the same on both pecs).
Iām freakin out. From my research its definitely prolactin induced gyno. Now Iām thinking maybe the Test or the Var were different than I expected even though I had good results. It has to be prolactin from everything Iāve read.
WHAT DO I DO? How do I finish out PCT? I ordered some pramipoxene (spellling?) because I couldnt afford the dostinex.
But anyways, do I keep going with the 4 weeks of nolva? I have chlomid, and arimidex on hand too. I keep reading that nolva makes prolactin gyno even worse.
WTF man I need advice seriously everything was awesome, I look and feel like a beast and my strength went through the roof. I thought I reacted so well to everything, now all of a sudden this happens?
