Ahhhh, the fuel for a dream. This keeps me inspired to open my own hardcore gym sometime in the future. Loud music, intimidation, chalk, and heavy weight hitting the concrete floor.
[quote]yorik wrote:
China Doll, as for dodge ball, when I was in school that was just an opportunity for sadistic jocks to prey on the weak kids. What a joke, like most PE classes.[/quote]
Yorik~
Wow, it’s so different from a guy’s point of view…
[quote]chinadoll wrote:
Sounds to me like they’ll have a room for people to hang out in and socialize, rather than having a gym, if they remove the heavy weights.
(I’m stepping on my soapbox again…)
That’s like a Restaurant saying it’s going to remove all the entrees because one person belched too loudly, thereby terribly offending people…GASP! Same goes for Dogdgeball being removed from schools because of the kids being tapped by the ball being too painful/dangerous for the kids…GASP! GASP!
Sheesh. Why doesn’t everyone just go live in a glass bubble, if little minor daily normal things are too much for them to cope with?
Goes to show you, society is more and more raising it’s people to be whimpering weaklings who are unable to cope with anything. What happens if and when someone is faced with actual, real problems? Will this mean the end of the world? [/quote]
Chinadoll,
This post right here could make a man fall in love with you. 
You are so right it’s not even funny! We are raising a nation of whimps and whinners. (BTW, you forgot to mention soccer, baseball and football games where they don’t keep score for fear of hurting a kid’s feelings. Give me a break!)
From what the guy said, he wasn’t yelling and grunting that loud. I understand that gyms need to make money, but come on! Removing the heavy weights won’t stop this at all. Most of the real obnoxious asswipes that I have ever run across in my 20-plus years of lifting were the ones who couldn’t lift heavy anyway, but wanted to feel like they could. Many times they are also the ones who wear wife-beater t-shirts and tats trying to cultivate the “I am a badass” image.
However, my advice to them would be find another gym. This won’t be the last time they will find a reason to bother them. They are now a target and the stupidity will continue.
Train out of Fitness First, Silver Spring MD and Supreme Sports Club in Columbia, MD.
Jungle’s sounds like a hardcore place, any yelling allowed?
AA
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
What gym do you train out of?
TrainerinDC wrote:
Jungle’s in Old Town Alexandria. I see you’re from MD, which part? We might not be too far apart. [/quote]
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
…(BTW, you forgot to mention soccer, baseball and football games where they don’t keep score for fear of hurting a kid’s feelings. Give me a break!)
… [/quote]
I coached my daughters soccer team when she was six.
We didn’t keep score but the kids certainly did. .
Whats up with that BS? They dont keep score? I played soccer, as pretty much every Dutch kid did, from age 3-13 and kids loved the competition. We kept score and although we did a lot of winning, the losses definetly taught us some stuff. For example, it is still not ok to beat on some kid in school even if his team waxed your ass on the soccer field over the weekend
In the paraphrased words of George Carlin, in the US we entirely raise too many softies, whatever happened to survival of the fittest? The kid that swallows too many marbles doesnt grow up to have kids of his own. The continued “pussification” of the American society, lol.
AA
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
…(BTW, you forgot to mention soccer, baseball and football games where they don’t keep score for fear of hurting a kid’s feelings. Give me a break!)
…
I coached my daughters soccer team when she was six.
We didn’t keep score but the kids certainly did. .
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[quote]chinadoll wrote:
yorik wrote:
China Doll, as for dodge ball, when I was in school that was just an opportunity for sadistic jocks to prey on the weak kids. What a joke, like most PE classes.
Yorik~
Wow, it’s so different from a guy’s point of view… [/quote]
I wouldn’t classify this as the typical “guy’s” view. All of my friends and I loved dodgeball. We had pickup games every day at recess as well as the times we played in PE. Those that didn’t want to play, went and played those pattycake games with the non-athletic girls on the side of the playground or traded their dungeons and dragons cards.
DB
[quote]chinadoll wrote:
yorik wrote:
China Doll, as for dodge ball, when I was in school that was just an opportunity for sadistic jocks to prey on the weak kids. What a joke, like most PE classes.
Yorik~
Wow, it’s so different from a guy’s point of view… [/quote]
There’s no doubt that dodgeball builds character, but what quality of character gets built? Sounds like a good topic for a different thread.
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
…played those pattycake games with the non-athletic girls on the side of the playground…
DB[/quote]
Sports are for men?
Why do I sense one of those “girls” is getting ready to flame you big time.
[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Whats up with that BS? They dont keep score? I played soccer, as pretty much every Dutch kid did, from age 3-13 and kids loved the competition. We kept score and although we did a lot of winning, the losses definetly taught us some stuff. For example, it is still not ok to beat on some kid in school even if his team waxed your ass on the soccer field over the weekend
In the paraphrased words of George Carlin, in the US we entirely raise too many softies, whatever happened to survival of the fittest? The kid that swallows too many marbles doesnt grow up to have kids of his own. The continued “pussification” of the American society, lol.
AA
Zap Branigan wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
…(BTW, you forgot to mention soccer, baseball and football games where they don’t keep score for fear of hurting a kid’s feelings. Give me a break!)
…
I coached my daughters soccer team when she was six.
We didn’t keep score but the kids certainly did. .
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Touchy feeling bullshit.
It is a lack of testosterone.
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
chinadoll wrote:
yorik wrote:
China Doll, as for dodge ball, when I was in school that was just an opportunity for sadistic jocks to prey on the weak kids. What a joke, like most PE classes.
Yorik~
Wow, it’s so different from a guy’s point of view…
I wouldn’t classify this as the typical “guy’s” view. All of my friends and I loved dodgeball. We had pickup games every day at recess as well as the times we played in PE. Those that didn’t want to play, went and played those pattycake games with the non-athletic girls on the side of the playground or traded their dungeons and dragons cards.
DB[/quote]
I agree. I had some pretty good memories of playing dodgeball and football and all. Who cared if you got picked last? Cry about it, or get better. And you can’t get better without playing.
Lack of physical education classes is bullshit, and it’s getting worse.
(I know this was off topic, but I feel strongly about it).
I don’t complain when people yell when I’m working… There has never been anyone asked to leave, or things like that. I yell when I lift, and when 400_ pounds slams the floor nobody bitches if thats what you ask. 
Dodgeball was a goofy sport. We should get a lot of guys together for a game of adult dodgeball.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
…(BTW, you forgot to mention soccer, baseball and football games where they don’t keep score for fear of hurting a kid’s feelings. Give me a break!)
…
I coached my daughters soccer team when she was six.
We didn’t keep score but the kids certainly did. .
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My kids kept score too. That is because children are naturally competitive and nothing is wrong with that.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
This is a load of crap!
How on earth can they have the right to remove heavy dumbells if you pay a certain amount of money per month to use them?
This is a GYM! People are supposed to workout hard and yell loud.
Well,ok,it doesn’t ahve to sound like WW3,but if you’re working those muscles hard you’re usually gonna yell or scream a bit.
A gym has the right to boss people around,tell them not to yell loud,and take away heavy weights but yet get away with playing boyband music in the gym…like that doesn’t annoy anyone who doesn’t have a 300 dollar Ipod and works out hard.
When they have the right to take away our rights they choose for us.[/quote]
How do they have the right? They own the business. Your membership entitles you to use of the gym, not a specific piece of equipment. Their obligation is to turn a profit, which can probably best be achieved by telling the 1% of their members who yell not to piss of the 99% who don’t like it.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
I don’t complain when people yell when I’m working… [/quote]
Me either, although I really don’t think it’s necessary to get loud when you’re sending out invoices, but if it revs them up, who am I to argue?
I’m so glad that there are people like you who have the same mindset! I like your reference to soccer, football and baseball and not keeping score.
(Stepping on my soapbox again…)
Competition is the American Way and is one large factor that has made our great country as prosperous as it is today! And for kids in sports, it can give them incentive and a sense of great accomplishment and achievement and something to strive for. And for the “losers”, it can be a valuable learning experience-- learning sportsmanship, teamsmanship, learning to be emotionally/mentally strong human beings and also a sense of great achievement and something to strive for.
How could parents/schools/organizations want to take away those valuable experiences and lessons from kids who play sports? Seems to defeat the purpose of sports in childhood altogether. It’s actually HEALTHY and GOOD to teach kids life coping skills, as this is how they become successful, functional, relilient and happy adults.
And also, taking away keeping score for fear of offending anyone is teaching them that it’s ok to be totally weak minded and that they are so weak they couldn’t handle something so minor as to lose a baseball game. What happens to these kids when they grow up and have actual, real problems? No wonder society is being whimpified so quickly.
Does anybody remember the days when as kids we played outside all day long with our friends, sometimes a bit roughly, and things happened, like falling out of a tree, getting stung by an insect, getting into minor fist fights with other kids, being called/calling someone else names, etc.?
We got up and brushed ourselves off and moved on, pulled out the insect stinger and went back to playing, kicked the other kids’ butt or got our butts kicked and hid a bruise or two from mom/dad, and were easily able to brush off (and two minutes later even completely forgot about) being called an unpleasant name. And we had FUN playing, running, climbing, jumping, hiking, biking while all this happened around us! Funny how the daily normalcies of childhood are now considered huge, emotionally traumatic events to many.
These kinds of cumulative experiences over time teach people to negotiate their environment and teach children over time and in a progressive manner to cope and deal with problems and issues in their lives. Those were the days.
The mindset of “sheltering” people from a grunt or a groan in a gym where that’s expected (for gawdssake!), is the same mindset that’s creating and promoting people in society who become “Emotionally Challenged” with the small, tiny normalcies of life.
In my (soapbox) opinion, I’m all for NOT enabling people who are emotionally challenged to be emotionally challenged (I feel it’s wrong to promote that helpless/hapless/hopeless mentality within society and not good for the emotionally challenged person either), and the Gym owner/managers should have told the customer who complained that although sorry for the unpleasant experience of having to hear someone grunt or groan while lifting a heavy weight load, that is a normal, expected occurrence that sometimes accompanies the lifting of heavy weights and is actually healthy for the person doing the grunting. That would have been a better, more constructive way to handle something so normal, while at the same time adding a little bit of life teaching.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Chinadoll,
This post right here could make a man fall in love with you. You are so right it’s not even funny! We are raising a nation of whimps and whinners. (BTW, you forgot to mention soccer, baseball and football games where they don’t keep score for fear of hurting a kid’s feelings. Give me a break!)
From what the guy said, he wasn’t yelling and grunting that loud. I understand that gyms need to make money, but come on! Removing the heavy weights won’t stop this at all. Most of the real obnoxious asswipes that I have ever run across in my 20-plus years of lifting were the ones who couldn’t lift heavy anyway, but wanted to feel like they could. Many times they are also the ones who wear wife-beater t-shirts and tats trying to cultivate the “I am a badass” image.
However, my advice to them would be find another gym. This won’t be the last time they will find a reason to bother them. They are now a target and the stupidity will continue. [/quote]
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
I don’t complain when people yell when I’m working… There has never been anyone asked to leave, or things like that. I yell when I lift, and when 400_ pounds slams the floor nobody bitches if thats what you ask.
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Personally for me, when guys are training that heavy that they’re grunting, this really revvs my motivation exponentially, much more than anything else can and makes me train that much harder. THANK YOU TO ALL THE HEAVY TRAINERS/GRUNTERS IN THIS WORLD FOR THE MOTIVATION!!
[quote]chinadoll wrote:
TrainerinDC wrote:
I don’t complain when people yell when I’m working… There has never been anyone asked to leave, or things like that. I yell when I lift, and when 400_ pounds slams the floor nobody bitches if thats what you ask.
Personally for me, when guys are training that heavy that they’re grunting, this really revvs my motivation exponentially, much more than anything else can and makes me train that much harder. THANK YOU TO ALL THE HEAVY TRAINERS/GRUNTERS IN THIS WORLD FOR THE MOTIVATION!![/quote]
I agree with you completely, I never would have tried to push myself for what I’ve gotten without someone bigger and badder than me to make me want to. Now many years into it, I am my own motivation, but the bigger and stronger still make me want to get that extra rep or go up five pounds.
[quote]chinadoll wrote:
…
In my (soapbox) opinion, I’m all for NOT enabling people who are emotionally challenged to be emotionally challenged (I feel it’s wrong to promote that helpless/hapless/hopeless mentality within society and not good for the emotionally challenged person either),
… [/quote]
I couldn’t agree more, but that’s no reason to create abnormal situations that in turn make some people feel helpless. (In other words, I’m back on the Dodgeball bit.)
“Cope or die”, “kill the antelope or starve”, etc. were great incentives for personal development back when resources were scarce. I fail to see how “dodge that ball or suffer a massive contusion to the head” offers any personal development opportunities nowadays. What’s the learning opportunity?
Hell, even aboriginal tribes will actually teach and train their young BEFORE sending the young out to be men and survive in the wilderness or die. “Deal with the world or die” IMO is a great idea, but they’ve been taught some skills beforehand.
Taking some of these kids and putting them in front of a 50mph dodge ball is about the same as standing them in front of an on-coming truck and telling them to stop it. They don’t have the abilities. They’re the young who have been sent out into the wilderness with no training whatsoever.
And so they learn to be mocked, to suffer contusions, and that people will always screw them over. They become emotional cripples because no one trained them before sending them out.
So the lazy parents ask to have dodgeball eliminated from the schools. And I reiterate that it’s the LAZY parents. Shield the kids instead of teaching them because that’s the easy way. Pretty soon the kids have learned nothing at all about PE, nor life, because we’ve taken the easy route.
I’ll admit I don’t understand the non-scoring soccer at all. This makes no sense. These kids HAVE been taught skills, so they don’t need any “protection”. Let them use their skills and be proud of them or try harder. Teaching a skill and then saying it doesn’t mean anything can probably be emotionally crippling in its own way.
In the end we have people who are emotionally crippled, or at best lacking in skills. Some are at least smart enough to know they need to do something, and try a little. Perhaps without the proper educational background, but they do try. Is it any wonder that some of these people are intimidated by grunting in the gym, by people who know more and are more skilled than them? (I had to get back to the subject somehow.)
I’ll admit years ago I waited a long time for the free weight area to become vacant before I picked up a dumbell for fear of being snickered at by the regulars there. Pretty soon I was one. And I never snickered at ANYBODY who worked out on either side of the gym (except privately at the stereotypical frat boys. lol!)
I’m going to come right out and say we need to eliminate crap like dodgeball from the PE classes (let’s see how many people read this next part) and REPLACE it with a true physical education program that develops basic skills, that develops physical potential and only then throws in the competition to make use of the skills. I wonder what our kids would be like then.
If any are still emotional cripples, well, let 'em taste the real world and cope or die. They had an honest chance.
While we’re at it, let’s make reproductive education mandatory for passing high school. There’s another skill young people need.
Chinadoll, when you are as cute as you, you can get on my soapbox…I mean your soap box any time.
And thats why these kids are too soft in my opinion. By the time they grow up and something happens in their life, they have no clue how to handle it.
[quote]chinadoll wrote:
I’m so glad that there are people like you who have the same mindset! I like your reference to soccer, football and baseball and not keeping score.
(Stepping on my soapbox again…)
Competition is the American Way and is one large factor that has made our great country as prosperous as it is today! And for kids in sports, it can give them incentive and a sense of great accomplishment and achievement and something to strive for. And for the “losers”, it can be a valuable learning experience-- learning sportsmanship, teamsmanship, learning to be emotionally/mentally strong human beings and also a sense of great achievement and something to strive for.
How could parents/schools/organizations want to take away those valuable experiences and lessons from kids who play sports? Seems to defeat the purpose of sports in childhood altogether. It’s actually HEALTHY and GOOD to teach kids life coping skills, as this is how they become successful, functional, relilient and happy adults.
And also, taking away keeping score for fear of offending anyone is teaching them that it’s ok to be totally weak minded and that they are so weak they couldn’t handle something so minor as to lose a baseball game. What happens to these kids when they grow up and have actual, real problems? No wonder society is being whimpified so quickly.
Does anybody remember the days when as kids we played outside all day long with our friends, sometimes a bit roughly, and things happened, like falling out of a tree, getting stung by an insect, getting into minor fist fights with other kids, being called/calling someone else names, etc.?
We got up and brushed ourselves off and moved on, pulled out the insect stinger and went back to playing, kicked the other kids’ butt or got our butts kicked and hid a bruise or two from mom/dad, and were easily able to brush off (and two minutes later even completely forgot about) being called an unpleasant name. And we had FUN playing, running, climbing, jumping, hiking, biking while all this happened around us! Funny how the daily normalcies of childhood are now considered huge, emotionally traumatic events to many.
These kinds of cumulative experiences over time teach people to negotiate their environment and teach children over time and in a progressive manner to cope and deal with problems and issues in their lives. Those were the days.
The mindset of “sheltering” people from a grunt or a groan in a gym where that’s expected (for gawdssake!), is the same mindset that’s creating and promoting people in society who become “Emotionally Challenged” with the small, tiny normalcies of life.
In my (soapbox) opinion, I’m all for NOT enabling people who are emotionally challenged to be emotionally challenged (I feel it’s wrong to promote that helpless/hapless/hopeless mentality within society and not good for the emotionally challenged person either), and the Gym owner/managers should have told the customer who complained that although sorry for the unpleasant experience of having to hear someone grunt or groan while lifting a heavy weight load, that is a normal, expected occurrence that sometimes accompanies the lifting of heavy weights and is actually healthy for the person doing the grunting. That would have been a better, more constructive way to handle something so normal, while at the same time adding a little bit of life teaching.
ALDurr wrote:
Chinadoll,
This post right here could make a man fall in love with you. You are so right it’s not even funny! We are raising a nation of whimps and whinners. (BTW, you forgot to mention soccer, baseball and football games where they don’t keep score for fear of hurting a kid’s feelings. Give me a break!)
From what the guy said, he wasn’t yelling and grunting that loud. I understand that gyms need to make money, but come on! Removing the heavy weights won’t stop this at all. Most of the real obnoxious asswipes that I have ever run across in my 20-plus years of lifting were the ones who couldn’t lift heavy anyway, but wanted to feel like they could. Many times they are also the ones who wear wife-beater t-shirts and tats trying to cultivate the “I am a badass” image.
However, my advice to them would be find another gym. This won’t be the last time they will find a reason to bother them. They are now a target and the stupidity will continue.
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