One thing that could do is give an idea of what someone’s mental state is like. I just don’t know how it would work in a nation of our size. We don’t need all of the potential pool of candidates to actually serve. The army is taking steps to reduce size.
If it won’t make someone rich, it will never happen. You’ll also have libertarian types saying the government shouldn’t fund that as it should be private industry instead.
I think we need to admit that these mass shootings are not common. These types of events have always happened. If you’re the type that can’t handle hearing bad news without getting stressed, you should probably not pay attention to the news. Allow students and teachers to bring hunting rifles onto school grounds and leave them in vehicles during hunting seasons.
No thanks. I get where you’re heads at - but that’s big fuckin’ nope. You’ll effectively be relegating people to 2nd class citizenry not to mention what that means for self-ownership and the right to your own life…
But that isn’t true.
So we shouldn’t bother trying to prevent them. Note, I didn’t use a question mark.
Bad news should make us happy.
This will help during hunting season if the school is attacked by a deer.
I don’t see how it’s ROFL inducing. The founders believed strongly in public service. It has legs.
But, I doubt it would ever pass. We don’t even require our CIC to serve.
Like I said, could be in the reserves. Could be a community outreach program. Maybe x amount of community service hours? It could be expanded far beyond what I originally wrote. The purpose is just involvement in the community. I would prefer somewhere other than local, but local is better than nothing.
That is true.
You could just limit access to certain weapons, which is what I meant to type anyway.
Obviously, I believe in a persons inherent right to defend themselves otherwise I wouldn’t have gone on and on about tyranny yesterday.
But one thing the military can show you is who you don’t want standing behind you with a gun.
Wait, what? That is what I was getting at earlier.
It wouldn’t have to necessarily be the military. I should not have explained it that way. The underlying points are
a) Service to others/your community/a state/the country.
b) Experiencing things outside of your narrow viewpoint. Expanding your perspective so to speak.
c) Training and education on numerous topics
d) Leadership & mentorship (sorely lacking).
If you didn’t serve.
I’m spitballing a sorta radical concept here… There might be some loopholes to close.
I used age instead.
It requires a rewrite of the BoR. That’s basically automatically ROFL inducing. Too many people have raging boners for the FFs to allow for that. Maybe in 300 years
Agreed. Maybe in a dozen generations or off the back of a major world war
Couple of things - I’m a hyooooge proponent for freedom of association - I ought to have a say in who I place trust in. Being in the military effectively takes that away and it TAUGHT me what it was like not to have a say in that.
There were great guys I would trust but there were more who I wouldn’t - I was in the Air Force so I’m sure it was different in other branches and other people have other experiences.
Secondly, I signed the right to my own life away. I didn’t think of it those terms at the time, but none the less, that’s effectively what I did, you did, UCMC did. I came to the realization I did not like that feeling - and I voluntarily did that, I’m not blaming anyone else.
I couldn’t imagine giving another person an ultimatum like that - I find it repugnant and immoral - either let us make decisions with your life that you have no say in OR be relegated to 2nd class status. Big nope.
To me, that’s both arbitrary and ineffective. In my scenario, you earn it by doing something that benefits yourself and the nation.
I’m not sure it would require a re-write. You could call for a Constitutional Convention…
Ya, I mean, that is true. I’ve never really thought about it that way before.
Agree - this should be a goal for any person, given ability.
100%
Agree
Yup.
I do not think making any of these things mandatory will produce a quality person. It’s just as likely to breed contempt as responsibility. Being models of success and persuading others to take those paths is far more likely to produce the desired results than coercion.
I think we came to similar conclusions about our military service. There was no way I was going to extend my contract when it was up. I do have some level of respect for those who manage to put in 20 years or more. But I joined when I was older so I had less tolerance for being treated like a moron.
Don’t get me wrong. Convos like this can make for really interesting thought experiments. My gripe is more when I see someone in the spotlight say it. I can’t help but think they’re either way too naive or just plain stupid.
Idk, could it breed contempt, sure. The devil’s in the details as it always is. If you allow college students, for example, the ability to carry out their service during their summer breaks (much like officer train can be done) and paying them to do it, I think it would be fine. Give a HS kid with a low GPA an opportunity to learn how to be a mechanic while being paid seems like a pretty good opportunity to me. Let a bleeding heart get paid to save the environment or whatever while being paid. Again, seems like a good deal to me.
Does Israel have issues with their program?
With my idea, and it’s not MY idea, the assumption is that with age comes maturity and a sense of responsibility (maybe because you have more responsibilities). We can also look at a 25 year old and see what he has been up to, which doesn’t require us to assume anything. We can see if he has a criminal record or a history of domestic violence. We have some idea of what type of person he is.
The military doesn’t guarantee maturity or responsibility. You’ve got your shammers and malingerers. It might weed those people out but waiting until someone is 25 can also weed the crazies out.
The essential element is deferring gun ownership until one has proven, over the course of a given period of time, the ability to assume that responsibility. And denying that responsibility if they don’t prove it.