You guys are feeding the trolls pretty early in what has the ability to be a good thread 
Save that shit for 1000 posts in when we’re all bored
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It doesn’t help that one side will shoot down any ideas to try and fix things. You can’t even expect the politicians to even have an honest discussion where everything is on the table. As soon as the word “control” is used it shuts down everything.
Thank you for letting me know what I should or shouldn’t want…
No one is even talking about the 2A. All I’ve seen is a UBC and Federal CC neither of which really effects the language/intent of the 2A.
Cool, link, please?
They don’t NEED to, but they certainly CAN, but that isn’t where the confusion lies.
I learned gun safety and marksmanship on an M16 at 18 and I don’t see a problem with that even at a younger age. It’s probably safer than learning on a handgun.
This is why details matter. The form is how the background check is initiated. It is required before an ffl can sell or give you a gun. All straw purchasers lie on the form, then pass the background check. That’s how straw purchasing works. It is a felony today, yet it is rarely prosecuted.
Only if the “universal” background check gets done, and it is impossible to know if it did or did not without a comprehensive registration scheme.
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And did your DIs allow you unrestricted access to that weapon?
Someone asked for ideas and I gave some. Not every kid who learns on an AR-15 is going to be a murderer, I get that. But will that little inconvenience help things? We can do away with all gun control and the majority of owners won’t become murderers but law abiding people have to “suffer” some inconvenience because of the idiots. That’s how the world works. It’s why we have to take our shoes off at the airport.
The real questions I should be asked should revolve around the effectiveness of my ideas at lessening risk. If age restrictions lessen risk then we can ask whether the inconvenience is worth it or not.
Is that under the assumption that background checks aren’t stored today to a level that the govt could check?
Why is that? Is it because people are rarely caught or because it is seen as no big deal?
They didn’t give me unrestricted access to the head…
This is off topic but how did they manage that? At night was there a fire guard stopping you?
No, you could go unrestricted during lights out for the most part.
OK. When I was in Basic a female recruit pissed on herself while in formation. Someone else shit himself at the range while firing. Later, at my NG unit, a private shit himself during PT. Good times.
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They aren’t. FFLs retain the forms but that is a LONG way from knowing where the guns are today.
Let’s look at a hypothetical example. Universal background check becomes law. I sell my .22 to my brother. It isn’t registered. There’s no record at all tracing it cal to me. We never bother to go down to an FFL to do the universal background check.
My brother snaps and goes on a rampage, shooting holes in all of the Priuses in the neighborhood. He gets caught and goes to jail.
How do you intend on holding me accountable for failing to comply with the Universal background check law?
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Lol, good time indeed.
Your brother rats on you.
In what way does a child learning on an AR15 matter? Do you believe an AR15 is some magic death ray that functions in a manner entirely different from other firearms?
And the NSA isn’t recording all of our phone logs and texts either, right? 
Probably don’t. UBCs would take years and years to come to fruition and make a more permanent impact. Time is the ultimate equalizer.
But that doesn’t really bother me, as I don’t think gun regs are going to cure this problem and I’m not looking for a quick fix (imo if one existed someone would have thought of it, too many people are way smarter than me).
Edit: and to the effect of what Zecarlos half trollingly said, offer someone 1y off their sentence to give up who sold them the gun without a background check. Violent gun wielding criminals aren’t all so full of honor that they won’t take that
Yes.
I think his point is that all firearms sales are not being recorded at this time. Private sales are permitted. Taking Pappy’s firearms when he dies is permitted. Giving Sonny a pistol to defend his home with is legal.
I still think we should look at what Israel does regarding required service. That isn’t popular for a whole bunch of reasons, but I think it could help. Require two years of active service or four years of reserve duty in a branch of your choice, the peace corps, or some other community service organization in order to earn full citizen status. You can elect not too, but then you lose your 2A rights.
You get a few years of discipline, some of the best training and leadership in the world, earn a little money, see more of the US and world than your hometown, meet people you otherwise would never meet, etc…
You’d need to amend the constitution, obviously, which is not exactly a great selling point.
Otherwise/concurrently, we should divert funding to mental health research. A lot of funding. Take all $528M from Planned Parenthood and cut the DoDs budget by .5%…
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Absolutely not taking a pot shot at you, but this is a GOLDEN example of a suggestion that if made anywhere in a public setting where real discussions are happening, it would only be limiting the conversation and distracting from it.
Every time I hear some jagoff on TV propose making all guns illegal or making all guns legal or some other obviously “ROFL inducing suggestion” it frustrates me (again def not directed at you USMC)