[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
This seems like as good a group to ask as any, what do y’all recommend for a concealed carry holster? Generally speaking. Leather or Composite? Hip or behind the back? Open muzzle?
I know the popular response will be “Find what works for you!” And that’s real cute, but I ask because I want to know what works for you and why. Also, I don’t want to have to buy a bunch of holsters to try on. Around here the gun shops don’t usually have very wide selections, so I’ll probably have to order online.
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Leather is much more comfortable for me. I carry a 4" XD in a DeSantis IWB leather holster and I often forget it is on my hip. If you carry regularly, I have found it is best to buy your pants one waist size bigger than normal to comfortably accommodate any IWB holster. It also help with the concealment aspect as it does not print.
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
What it doesn’t do well is compete in dick swinging contests with yahoos at your range or with your drunk cousin who believes a connection exists between big bores and big balls. I never get caught up in that, however, so I focus on what works best for me and my needs in a carry or home defense piece.[/quote]
Its not always just guys. The handgun is for home defense so when I went to the range and rented a few I took my wife. She shot all of them well. Better than me first time out actually. I asked her which one she wanted and her only opinion was “We should get this one because big bullets leave big holes”. I do wish I had bought a 1911 instead of a Glock though.
Searcy PH model 470 NE double rifle built left handed.
Yes. That is a dead elephant.
No. They are not endangered despite what you are told by Animal Planet and PITA.
Yes. It is legal to hunt elephants in several African countries.
No. I don’t give a shit that you are appalled or offended that I enjoy killing elephants for sport.
Thanks for the good info! I’m leaning towards 3: Glock 19, Sig p228 (m11-a1), or the H&K USP compact in 9mm. H&K is kind of at a -1, because I read a lot on the internet that their customer service sucks, but I don’t hold “what I read on the internet” in high regard generally, so they have a fair shot. Next stop is to find opportunities to shoot all of the above to form impressions. This pistol will live in my truck for the most part but I may carry more as I get used to it.
I don’t like the idea of open carry as I believe you’re putting a big ole bullseye on your back.
Searcy PH model 470 NE double rifle built left handed.
Yes. That is a dead elephant.
No. They are not endangered despite what you are told by Animal Planet and PITA.
Yes. It is legal to hunt elephants in several African countries.
No. I don’t give a shit that you are appalled or offended that I enjoy killing elephants for sport. [/quote]
Awesome! I read John Taylor’s book “African Big Game Rifles and Cartridges” a few years ago and though he was writing more than half a century ago I’m sure that a lot of his thoughts on the necessity of hunting elephants for population control, among other reasons, are still valid. It also made me crave a .375 H&H magnum double rifle for no good reason.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Thanks for the good info! I’m leaning towards 3: Glock 19, Sig p228 (m11-a1), or the H&K USP compact in 9mm. H&K is kind of at a -1, because I read a lot on the internet that their customer service sucks, but I don’t hold “what I read on the internet” in high regard generally, so they have a fair shot. Next stop is to find opportunities to shoot all of the above to form impressions. This pistol will live in my truck for the most part but I may carry more as I get used to it.
I don’t like the idea of open carry as I believe you’re putting a big ole bullseye on your back. [/quote]
Those are all very good choices. For “truck gun” duty, I would advise that you choose the one that feels best (and shoots best, if you have a chance to try before you buy).
For concealed carry, the Glock has a significant weight advantage over the other two. It may not seem like much difference in the hand, but it matters on the belt. The Glock is also quite a bit less expensive than the other two. That said, a high quality belt will go a long way towards making the heavier guns ride more comfortably on the hip. Don’t skimp out and go cheap on your belt.
You really can’t go wrong with any of the three you listed. I’ve shot them all and liked the Sig best, but I own a G19.
You really can’t go wrong with any of the three you listed. I’ve shot them all and liked the Sig best, but I own a G19.
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I like the cheap availability of parts for the Glock, as well as the proliferation of “Glock Armorers” in my area. I would prefer a DA/SA to striker fired for if and when I carry with one in the chamber, but I realize that’s all about my personal comfort level. I am going to go out of my way to shoot all 3 first.
[quote]dpcavana wrote:
Searcy PH model 470 NE double rifle built left handed.
Yes. That is a dead elephant.
No. They are not endangered despite what you are told by Animal Planet and PITA.
Yes. It is legal to hunt elephants in several African countries.
No. I don’t give a shit that you are appalled or offended that I enjoy killing elephants for sport. [/quote]
Awesome! I read John Taylor’s book “African Big Game Rifles and Cartridges” a few years ago and though he was writing more than half a century ago I’m sure that a lot of his thoughts on the necessity of hunting elephants for population control, among other reasons, are still valid. It also made me crave a .375 H&H magnum double rifle for no good reason.
Did you eat any of the meat? Did the locals?
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The locals ate all of it. I did not eat any of that one but did sample some of the first one I killed. It just tasted like grilled meat. Nothing unusual about it.
If I could only have one rifle to hunt the world over it would be a 375 H&H. I have used a LH Winchester Mod 70 in 375 for several one gun safaris and it was wonderful.
But when you sneak up to a bull elephant and then get in front of him at 20 yards and stand up, you have about two seconds to drop him after he realizes that you are there. About a hundred years ago the British discovered through trial and error that a 470 or 500 caliber bullet weighing 500 grains and going around 2100 fps was ideal for reliably penetrating an elephants head from the front.
A lot of big animals have been killed with the 375 but usually from a safe distance and with a scope. If you are going to get within hand shaking distance then it is a bit safer to use a 500 grain bullet.
Also, the 375 H&H was designed to be used in a Mauser bolt action rifle. It is a belted case. They don’t work as well in a double rifle. But 375 Flanged is essentially the same thing and was designed to be used in a double rifle.
You really can’t go wrong with any of the three you listed. I’ve shot them all and liked the Sig best, but I own a G19.
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I like the cheap availability of parts for the Glock, as well as the proliferation of “Glock Armorers” in my area. I would prefer a DA/SA to striker fired for if and when I carry with one in the chamber, but I realize that’s all about my personal comfort level. I am going to go out of my way to shoot all 3 first. [/quote]
A Glock armorer can install a New York trigger kit that will give you a heavier pull than the stock 5.5#. These are made by Glock, if I recall correctly, and can put the trigger pull into the 8# and 12# neighborhood. Of course, it will remain a DAO operation.
It probably wouldn’t run you over $20 to have that done by a Glock armorer and it won’t affect your warranty, nor will it introduce any sort of legal liability that can sometimes go along with modifications to the trigger.
Holsters for concealed carry. A couple of questions. One do you want it to be completely concealed? Do you plan on a weapon mounted light?
The best holster that I have that hides the gun well is the Milt Sparks summer special. It is an inside the waistband. It is leather with two straps that wrap around your belt. It has about 15 degree cant that limits the grip from printing on your cover shirt if you bend forward. Very comfortable. I have worn it for long days, 20 hours.
The best I have that holds a weapon mounted light is a Bravo Concealment RTT. Very low profile but it has no cant so it prints if I lean forward. They do make holsters with a cant it is just not what I ordered. Also pretty comfortable.
My weapon sets at between 3 and four o’clock. I am not a fan of a holster that leaves part of the muzzle exposed. I have one and it snags on the draw. Not always but enough that it bothered me.
[quote]dpcavana wrote:
Searcy PH model 470 NE double rifle built left handed.
Yes. That is a dead elephant.
No. They are not endangered despite what you are told by Animal Planet and PITA.
Yes. It is legal to hunt elephants in several African countries.
No. I don’t give a shit that you are appalled or offended that I enjoy killing elephants for sport. [/quote]
Awesome! I read John Taylor’s book “African Big Game Rifles and Cartridges” a few years ago and though he was writing more than half a century ago I’m sure that a lot of his thoughts on the necessity of hunting elephants for population control, among other reasons, are still valid. It also made me crave a .375 H&H magnum double rifle for no good reason.
Did you eat any of the meat? Did the locals?
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The locals ate all of it. I did not eat any of that one but did sample some of the first one I killed. It just tasted like grilled meat. Nothing unusual about it.
If I could only have one rifle to hunt the world over it would be a 375 H&H. I have used a LH Winchester Mod 70 in 375 for several one gun safaris and it was wonderful.
But when you sneak up to a bull elephant and then get in front of him at 20 yards and stand up, you have about two seconds to drop him after he realizes that you are there. About a hundred years ago the British discovered through trial and error that a 470 or 500 caliber bullet weighing 500 grains and going around 2100 fps was ideal for reliably penetrating an elephants head from the front.
A lot of big animals have been killed with the 375 but usually from a safe distance and with a scope. If you are going to get within hand shaking distance then it is a bit safer to use a 500 grain bullet.
Also, the 375 H&H was designed to be used in a Mauser bolt action rifle. It is a belted case. They don’t work as well in a double rifle. But 375 Flanged is essentially the same thing and was designed to be used in a double rifle.
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From Field and Stream
This is one of my favorite lines that I have ever read in an outdoor magazine. Your pic just made me think of it and I though some of you could appreciate it. I quit shooting 3.5’s after I had one dislocate my shoulder when I had to get in a very awkward position to get a clean shot at a bird.
[quote]dpcavana wrote:
Searcy PH model 470 NE double rifle built left handed.
Yes. That is a dead elephant.
No. They are not endangered despite what you are told by Animal Planet and PITA.
Yes. It is legal to hunt elephants in several African countries.
No. I don’t give a shit that you are appalled or offended that I enjoy killing elephants for sport. [/quote]
Awesome! I read John Taylor’s book “African Big Game Rifles and Cartridges” a few years ago and though he was writing more than half a century ago I’m sure that a lot of his thoughts on the necessity of hunting elephants for population control, among other reasons, are still valid. It also made me crave a .375 H&H magnum double rifle for no good reason.
Did you eat any of the meat? Did the locals?
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The locals ate all of it. I did not eat any of that one but did sample some of the first one I killed. It just tasted like grilled meat. Nothing unusual about it.
If I could only have one rifle to hunt the world over it would be a 375 H&H. I have used a LH Winchester Mod 70 in 375 for several one gun safaris and it was wonderful.
But when you sneak up to a bull elephant and then get in front of him at 20 yards and stand up, you have about two seconds to drop him after he realizes that you are there. About a hundred years ago the British discovered through trial and error that a 470 or 500 caliber bullet weighing 500 grains and going around 2100 fps was ideal for reliably penetrating an elephants head from the front.
A lot of big animals have been killed with the 375 but usually from a safe distance and with a scope. If you are going to get within hand shaking distance then it is a bit safer to use a 500 grain bullet.
Also, the 375 H&H was designed to be used in a Mauser bolt action rifle. It is a belted case. They don’t work as well in a double rifle. But 375 Flanged is essentially the same thing and was designed to be used in a double rifle.
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From Field and Stream
This is one of my favorite lines that I have ever read in an outdoor magazine. Your pic just made me think of it and I though some of you could appreciate it. I quit shooting 3.5’s after I had one dislocate my shoulder when I had to get in a very awkward position to get a clean shot at a bird.
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The difference is in the details. The significant detail here is the weight of the gun. It makes a huge difference. The slightly less significant detail is that the turkey gun is off the shelf. A double rifle is probably fitted to the shooter.
However any of the NE double rifles suitable for stopping an elephant are not what you could call pleasant to shoot. They will all ring your bell.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
This seems like as good a group to ask as any, what do y’all recommend for a concealed carry holster? Generally speaking. Leather or Composite? Hip or behind the back? Open muzzle?
I know the popular response will be “Find what works for you!” And that’s real cute, but I ask because I want to know what works for you and why. Also, I don’t want to have to buy a bunch of holsters to try on. Around here the gun shops don’t usually have very wide selections, so I’ll probably have to order online.
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without a doubt, NSR Tactical.
A bunch of you toob vids on NSR, check them out. Dave the guy who make em is a great guy. Also check out his facebook page.
[quote]dpcavana wrote:
Searcy PH model 470 NE double rifle built left handed.
Yes. That is a dead elephant.
No. They are not endangered despite what you are told by Animal Planet and PITA.
Yes. It is legal to hunt elephants in several African countries.
No. I don’t give a shit that you are appalled or offended that I enjoy killing elephants for sport. [/quote]
Awesome! I read John Taylor’s book “African Big Game Rifles and Cartridges” a few years ago and though he was writing more than half a century ago I’m sure that a lot of his thoughts on the necessity of hunting elephants for population control, among other reasons, are still valid. It also made me crave a .375 H&H magnum double rifle for no good reason.
Did you eat any of the meat? Did the locals?
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The locals ate all of it. I did not eat any of that one but did sample some of the first one I killed. It just tasted like grilled meat. Nothing unusual about it.
If I could only have one rifle to hunt the world over it would be a 375 H&H. I have used a LH Winchester Mod 70 in 375 for several one gun safaris and it was wonderful.
But when you sneak up to a bull elephant and then get in front of him at 20 yards and stand up, you have about two seconds to drop him after he realizes that you are there. About a hundred years ago the British discovered through trial and error that a 470 or 500 caliber bullet weighing 500 grains and going around 2100 fps was ideal for reliably penetrating an elephants head from the front.
A lot of big animals have been killed with the 375 but usually from a safe distance and with a scope. If you are going to get within hand shaking distance then it is a bit safer to use a 500 grain bullet.
Also, the 375 H&H was designed to be used in a Mauser bolt action rifle. It is a belted case. They don’t work as well in a double rifle. But 375 Flanged is essentially the same thing and was designed to be used in a double rifle.
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From Field and Stream
This is one of my favorite lines that I have ever read in an outdoor magazine. Your pic just made me think of it and I though some of you could appreciate it. I quit shooting 3.5’s after I had one dislocate my shoulder when I had to get in a very awkward position to get a clean shot at a bird.
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The difference is in the details. The significant detail here is the weight of the gun. It makes a huge difference. The slightly less significant detail is that the turkey gun is off the shelf. A double rifle is probably fitted to the shooter.
However any of the NE double rifles suitable for stopping an elephant are not what you could call pleasant to shoot. They will all ring your bell. [/quote]
I have never been very sensitive to recoil, granted the hardest kicking rifle I have shot was my little .45/70 handi-rifle with 405gr handloads (not by me). I almost had the opportunity to fire a Ruger 1 in .450/400 Nitro Express but it didn’t work out. Couple guys started being ass clowns with it so the owner quit letting people shoot it.
The Safari custom double rifles that I have seen are some of the most beautiful guns in existence. The custom euro o/u shotguns being the only things that are in the same league.
[quote]dpcavana wrote:
Searcy PH model 470 NE double rifle built left handed.
Yes. That is a dead elephant.
No. They are not endangered despite what you are told by Animal Planet and PITA.
Yes. It is legal to hunt elephants in several African countries.
No. I don’t give a shit that you are appalled or offended that I enjoy killing elephants for sport. [/quote]
Awesome! I read John Taylor’s book “African Big Game Rifles and Cartridges” a few years ago and though he was writing more than half a century ago I’m sure that a lot of his thoughts on the necessity of hunting elephants for population control, among other reasons, are still valid. It also made me crave a .375 H&H magnum double rifle for no good reason.
Did you eat any of the meat? Did the locals?
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The locals ate all of it. I did not eat any of that one but did sample some of the first one I killed. It just tasted like grilled meat. Nothing unusual about it.
If I could only have one rifle to hunt the world over it would be a 375 H&H. I have used a LH Winchester Mod 70 in 375 for several one gun safaris and it was wonderful.
But when you sneak up to a bull elephant and then get in front of him at 20 yards and stand up, you have about two seconds to drop him after he realizes that you are there. About a hundred years ago the British discovered through trial and error that a 470 or 500 caliber bullet weighing 500 grains and going around 2100 fps was ideal for reliably penetrating an elephants head from the front.
A lot of big animals have been killed with the 375 but usually from a safe distance and with a scope. If you are going to get within hand shaking distance then it is a bit safer to use a 500 grain bullet.
Also, the 375 H&H was designed to be used in a Mauser bolt action rifle. It is a belted case. They don’t work as well in a double rifle. But 375 Flanged is essentially the same thing and was designed to be used in a double rifle.
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I forget which caliber Taylor recommended as his favorite, but he did like the sledge hammer effect of the big heavy solids on a charging bull elephant. The sledge hammer being the ability of the round to stun the Elephant if one misses the very small kill zone, and finish it off with a follow up shot. Of course, this inevitably leads to some fools thinking shot placement doesn’t matter because they’ve got a cannon.
I’ve always wanted to try my hand on the Cape Buffalo.
I’ve always wanted to try my hand on the Cape Buffalo.
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I did some work for a local physician who showed me pics of the Cape and water buffaloes he killed with a bow. I was quite impressed with his nerves which would explain why he was a surgeon.
[quote]hkd wrote:
Holsters for concealed carry. A couple of questions. One do you want it to be completely concealed? Do you plan on a weapon mounted light?
The best holster that I have that hides the gun well is the Milt Sparks summer special. It is an inside the waistband. It is leather with two straps that wrap around your belt. It has about 15 degree cant that limits the grip from printing on your cover shirt if you bend forward. Very comfortable. I have worn it for long days, 20 hours.
The best I have that holds a weapon mounted light is a Bravo Concealment RTT. Very low profile but it has no cant so it prints if I lean forward. They do make holsters with a cant it is just not what I ordered. Also pretty comfortable.
My weapon sets at between 3 and four o’clock. I am not a fan of a holster that leaves part of the muzzle exposed. I have one and it snags on the draw. Not always but enough that it bothered me. [/quote]
Not planning on mounting a light or a laser. I guess I would go for total concealment, but enough people carry open and concealed around here that I don’t think it would be a big deal if anybody spotted me.
Look at IWB (inside waist band) Kydex holsters. Bravo concealment, Raven concealment, Comptac, NSR mentioned above., etc. Everybody and their mother makes holsters now a days.
Kydex is a moldable polymer. It holds itt shape better when you go to reholster so you don’t have to use your other hand to open up your holster to put your gun away, muzzling yourself in process. You also tend to get a nice audible click when the gun locks in.
The best thing you can do is buy a bunch and try them all out. Eventually you will find something you like.
The Milt Sparks design was made in the 80s I think or maybe earlier. Leather will absorb sweat and break down eventually, so buy two of the same if you go leather and swap them out every day or so. They will last longer that way.
Been thinking about it, talked it over with the family, and it looks like my son and I are going to take the next year or so to build an AR together. (This isn’t a cost thing, love of the rilfe thing, or “da AK/SKS/MINI14 is a better rifle” thing. This is a “I want to spend some quality time with my boy doing something we both enjoy that he’ll remember forever and I can give him when he is old enough” thing)
With the AWB in MA I have to deal with, complete uppers are… Well my options are limited. I’ve started calling around to see if I can find a pre-ban lower (which will allow me to ignore the AWB rules) but my hopes aren’t high, and I have a feeling that will put me in the $200 (at least) for a striped used lower, which in a Free State I could get for like $30.
Anywho, anyone with experience here willing to let me bounce a couple questions by you?
