Gun Love Thread

[carbiduis]

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Ruger 10/22 should be your first rifle. Fun, perfect to learn skills on, cheap.

I got one when I was 8-9 I think.

Your first larger rifle, get a .308. It is a solid hunting round and also found in military applications.

For reference, during most of my military career, I carried a M14EBR in 7.62X51 (shot AA11) which is similar (a 7.62 can fire a .308, but not necessarily the reverse, but most can).[/quote]

Where does a ruger mini 14 fit into the conversation? The .223 goes through steel like butter and is a good non-hunting round (?) and there is little/no kick.

Might be a little to mechanical for beans though, and I do realize that it’s not bolt action.

[system]

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Ruger 10/22 should be your first rifle. Fun, perfect to learn skills on, cheap.

I got one when I was 8-9 I think.

Your first larger rifle, get a .308. It is a solid hunting round and also found in military applications.

For reference, during most of my military career, I carried a M14EBR in 7.62X51 (shot AA11) which is similar (a 7.62 can fire a .308, but not necessarily the reverse, but most can).[/quote]

Where does a ruger mini 14 fit into the conversation? The .223 goes through steel like butter and is a good non-hunting round (?) and there is little/no kick.

Might be a little to mechanical for beans though, and I do realize that it’s not bolt action.[/quote]

He’s in MA, so I bet a state compliant Ruger mini 14 would be expensive and somehow mechanically fucked so any advantage would be limited.

A Ruger 10/22 is $200.

[system]

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Being a grown man there’s no need to start with a .22, but it’s not a bad idea either. [/quote]

Going through designated-marksman training all of us (including the your fellow jar heads) were given — wait for it — Ruger 10/22s.

No one makes fun of Chris Colluci (sp!) for teaching Olympic lifts with a PVC bar, and distance shooting is no different. You have to unlearn a lot of habits that are fine sub-300 meters.

Most notably, guys who trained on heavy calibers pre-flinch and shoot down and left (if a righty) or down and right (if a lefty) and who compensate for this by aiming off center.

[anon50325502]

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Being a grown man there’s no need to start with a .22, but it’s not a bad idea either. [/quote]

Going through designated-marksman training all of us (including the your fellow jar heads) were given — wait for it — Ruger 10/22s.

No one makes fun of Chris Colluci (sp!) for teaching Olympic lifts with a PVC bar, and distance shooting is no different. You have to unlearn a lot of habits that are fine sub-300 meters.

Most notably, guys who trained on heavy calibers pre-flinch and shoot down and left (if a righty) or down and right (if a lefty) and who compensate for this by aiming off center.[/quote]

I’m not sure what you mean, Marine are taught using a Colt M-16 in basic.

I completely agree with you though, except that in Beans case I don’t believe (correct me if I’m wrong here Beans) he has developed any bad habits because he has very little to no experience with a rifle. So right from the get go he’ll be taught proper technique and could do so with a larger caliber rifle.

Like I said though, it’s certainly not a bad idea to learn on a .22.

[countingbeans]

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Being a grown man there’s no need to start with a .22, but it’s not a bad idea either. [/quote]

Going through designated-marksman training all of us (including the your fellow jar heads) were given — wait for it — Ruger 10/22s.

No one makes fun of Chris Colluci (sp!) for teaching Olympic lifts with a PVC bar, and distance shooting is no different. You have to unlearn a lot of habits that are fine sub-300 meters.

Most notably, guys who trained on heavy calibers pre-flinch and shoot down and left (if a righty) or down and right (if a lefty) and who compensate for this by aiming off center.[/quote]

I’m not sure what you mean, Marine are taught using a Colt M-16 in basic.

I completely agree with you though, except that in Beans case I don’t believe (correct me if I’m wrong here Beans) he has developed any bad habits because he has very little to no experience with a rifle. So right from the get go he’ll be taught proper technique and could do so with a larger caliber rifle.

Like I said though, it’s certainly not a bad idea to learn on a .22. [/quote]

I’ll be teaching myself mostly. I’m not awful with a pistol (well a decent pistol) but my experience with a rifle is shotgun only and like 6 shots with a rifle (no idea which one) that was too much gun for me at this point, screwing around.

I was hoping to get away from a 22 mainly because I’m nervous about getting board and being like “fuck this” because it doesn’t have the pop a bigger round does, but the more I read, the more I’m leaning towards a cheap 22.

From what I understand, and tell me if I’m wrong, if you can get a low end rifle to shoot on target with a lower end scope… You’ll be all set once you upgrade. But if you spend the money on high end rifle and glass, but are a shit shot, you’ll still be a shit shot even if you spend 10k on gear.

[countingbeans]

*take that back. I’m pretty good with a Thompson. I’ve shot those quite a few times, but don’t really consider that a rifle in the sense I’m talking here.

[system]

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I’m not sure what you mean, Marine are taught using a Colt M-16 in basic.

[/quote]

Sure, as is everyone in the US military.

And everyone un-learns everything they were taught in basic at designated marksman/sniper school at Ft. Benning.

[anon50325502]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
From what I understand, and tell me if I’m wrong, if you can get a low end rifle to shoot on target with a lower end scope… You’ll be all set once you upgrade. But if you spend the money on high end rifle and glass, but are a shit shot, you’ll still be a shit shot even if you spend 10k on gear.
[/quote]

Ya, you’ve got to learn the fundamentals. No amount of hardware can fix lousy shooting.

[anon50325502]

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I’m not sure what you mean, Marine are taught using a Colt M-16 in basic.

[/quote]

Sure, as is everyone in the US military.

And everyone un-learns everything they were taught in basic at designated marksman/sniper school at Ft. Benning.[/quote]

Gotcha, I never had the pleasure.

[Maiden3_16]

Just duracoated this guy. Ar will be next.

[Uncle_Gabby]

Looks good. Did you do it yourself or have it done?

[Maiden3_16]

Thanks. Did it myself it’s the fourth one ive done now. I just use the shake n spray kits they have and haven’t had any issues. Pretty solid stuff.

[theuofh]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I’ll be teaching myself mostly. I’m not awful with a pistol (well a decent pistol) but my experience with a rifle is shotgun only and like 6 shots with a rifle (no idea which one) that was too much gun for me at this point, screwing around.

I was hoping to get away from a 22 mainly because I’m nervous about getting board and being like “fuck this” because it doesn’t have the pop a bigger round does, but the more I read, the more I’m leaning towards a cheap 22.

From what I understand, and tell me if I’m wrong, if you can get a low end rifle to shoot on target with a lower end scope… You’ll be all set once you upgrade. But if you spend the money on high end rifle and glass, but are a shit shot, you’ll still be a shit shot even if you spend 10k on gear.
[/quote]

.22 trainers are nice and cheap to shoot, but nothing beats practicing with the caliber you are going to shoot for real.

A muzzle brake can cut down a lot of recoil on a 308 but it will be loud, but it’s nothing unmanageable. 6 and 6.5mm rounds have greater ballistic potential to shoot longer distance and less recoil but finding certain ammo can be a challenge unless you reload and have stocked components. When I got into it, I picked up a 308 to start with and it’s not that hard to learn.

You tend to get what you pay for in rifles. If you want to learn shooting at distance, you will need a rifle that can hold 1 moa. There’s a lot of factory rifles that can do this no problem. Remington 700s, savages, and tikka are what I would look at. Remington 700s can be hit or miss out of the box, and if you get one that doesn’t shoot well with match ammo, you will be scratching your head trying to figure it out how to fix it. I’ve had 2 factory 700s and they both shot sub moa.

If you are target shooting, barrel contour is important and a thin barreled light hunting rifle will probably change point of impact as the barrel heats up with multiple shots. I’d go with a remington varmint contour at the least.

For a scope, you just want something that is repeatable with the dialing windage and elevation. There’s a lot of scopes out there in the sub $1000 price range that are probably more than you ever need and swfa has fixed 10x scopes for $300-400 which is a steal. There’s a lot of hunting scopes out there that aren’t meant to be dialed and are sighted for a fixed distance. Don’t just buy any rifle/scope combo and do a little research.

There’s a lot of information out there, but it can get confusing, but buy one and you will not regret it. Totally different than pistol shooting and a ton of fun.

[countingbeans]

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I’ll be teaching myself mostly. I’m not awful with a pistol (well a decent pistol) but my experience with a rifle is shotgun only and like 6 shots with a rifle (no idea which one) that was too much gun for me at this point, screwing around.

I was hoping to get away from a 22 mainly because I’m nervous about getting board and being like “fuck this” because it doesn’t have the pop a bigger round does, but the more I read, the more I’m leaning towards a cheap 22.

From what I understand, and tell me if I’m wrong, if you can get a low end rifle to shoot on target with a lower end scope… You’ll be all set once you upgrade. But if you spend the money on high end rifle and glass, but are a shit shot, you’ll still be a shit shot even if you spend 10k on gear.
[/quote]

.22 trainers are nice and cheap to shoot, but nothing beats practicing with the caliber you are going to shoot for real.

A muzzle brake can cut down a lot of recoil on a 308 but it will be loud, but it’s nothing unmanageable. 6 and 6.5mm rounds have greater ballistic potential to shoot longer distance and less recoil but finding certain ammo can be a challenge unless you reload and have stocked components. When I got into it, I picked up a 308 to start with and it’s not that hard to learn.

You tend to get what you pay for in rifles. If you want to learn shooting at distance, you will need a rifle that can hold 1 moa. There’s a lot of factory rifles that can do this no problem. Remington 700s, savages, and tikka are what I would look at. Remington 700s can be hit or miss out of the box, and if you get one that doesn’t shoot well with match ammo, you will be scratching your head trying to figure it out how to fix it. I’ve had 2 factory 700s and they both shot sub moa.

If you are target shooting, barrel contour is important and a thin barreled light hunting rifle will probably change point of impact as the barrel heats up with multiple shots. I’d go with a remington varmint contour at the least.

For a scope, you just want something that is repeatable with the dialing windage and elevation. There’s a lot of scopes out there in the sub $1000 price range that are probably more than you ever need and swfa has fixed 10x scopes for $300-400 which is a steal. There’s a lot of hunting scopes out there that aren’t meant to be dialed and are sighted for a fixed distance. Don’t just buy any rifle/scope combo and do a little research.

There’s a lot of information out there, but it can get confusing, but buy one and you will not regret it. Totally different than pistol shooting and a ton of fun.
[/quote]

Thanks!

Ultimate goal here is to qualify on the 600m range. It’s a long ways and a lot of dollars away, but the club has one, and I want it… badly.

[pat]

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Just duracoated this guy. Ar will be next. [/quote]

Wow. It looks great. You may have a future as a smith…

[theuofh]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Ultimate goal here is to qualify on the 600m range. It’s a long ways and a lot of dollars away, but the club has one, and I want it… badly.
[/quote]

You can get a remington 700 tactical for about 600-700 bucks, an SWFA 10x with the side parallax for 400, a harris for 100, and add 200 or so for a set of seekins scope rings and a base. A torque wrench with in-lbs setting will help you get everything set up to spec and if your range has a 600 yd setup, rifle guys tend to me really friendly and can help you get everything mounted correctly.

It’s expensive but if you get one and end up getting bit, you will end up spending a ton more eventually. It will cut into your retirement savings a bit, but you get the satisfaction of enjoying a hobby now without having to wait until you are old and decrepit.

The other thing to watch out for is a free floated barrel. Some of the hogue stocks on the stock 700 tactical models are flimsy and will contact the barrel when you load up the bipod. This is why an upgraded stock is nice. You will end up bedding or having a smith bed it for more accuracy. Then you will start handloading to tune your loads to the gun.

It’s really a great hobby.

[countingbeans]

Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.

Went shotgun instead.

I’m not sorry.

Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I can’t.

[Derek542]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.

Went shotgun instead.

I’m not sorry.

Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I can’t. [/quote]
Pretty sure in MA its called a machine gun. Unless its a 9 mm everything else is a machine gun.

[countingbeans]

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.

Went shotgun instead.

I’m not sorry.

Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I can’t. [/quote]
Pretty sure in MA its called a machine gun. Unless its a 9 mm everything else is a machine gun.[/quote]

HAHA.

Nah, Basically, as far as I can tell your firearm has to have 2 or less of the 4 evils that make liberals have uncomfortable feelings.

1. Adjustable stock
2. Ability to accept high capacity ammunition device
3. Pistol Grip
4. Threaded barrel (choke or silencer I think)

If a firearm has 3 of those evils it suddenly become an evil assault rifle. Caliber be damned, those guns LOOK deadly!

[twojarslave]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.

Went shotgun instead.

I’m not sorry.

Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I can’t. [/quote]
Pretty sure in MA its called a machine gun. Unless its a 9 mm everything else is a machine gun.[/quote]

HAHA.

Nah, Basically, as far as I can tell your firearm has to have 2 or less of the 4 evils that make liberals have uncomfortable feelings.

1. Adjustable stock
2. Ability to accept high capacity ammunition device
3. Pistol Grip
4. Threaded barrel (choke or silencer I think)

If a firearm has 3 of those evils it suddenly become an evil assault rifle. Caliber be damned, those guns LOOK deadly!
[/quote]

I think you forgot a few…

5. Is black.
6. Can chamber armor-piercing cop-killer FMJ ammunition.
7. Has one of those things that goes up. You know, that thing on the side.
8. Is not a musket.