[quote]twojarslave wrote:
7) Has one of those things that goes up. You know, that thing on the side.
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The shoulder thing?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.
Went shotgun instead.
Iām not sorry.
Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I canāt. [/quote]
Pretty sure in MA its called a machine gun. Unless its a 9 mm everything else is a machine gun.[/quote]
HAHA.
Nah, Basically, as far as I can tell your firearm has to have 2 or less of the 4 evils that make liberals have uncomfortable feelings.
- Adjustable stock
- Ability to accept high capacity ammunition device
- Pistol Grip
- Threaded barrel (choke or silencer I think)
If a firearm has 3 of those evils it suddenly become an evil assault rifle. Caliber be damned, those guns LOOK deadly!
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All jokes aside I am pretty sure a ābayonet lugā is one of the evil features. Which is funny as shit. Iām not sure itās been a while since I looked at that brand of legislation.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.
Went shotgun instead.
Iām not sorry.
Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I canāt. [/quote]
You have a point there. I want a rifle, but long range shooting is cost prohibitive and difficult to find in my area. A shotgun would be oodles of fun and they are pretty cheap. Of course, I want a semi-auto which is less cheap, but still. There are some really cool semi auto shotguns out there.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
All jokes aside I am pretty sure a ābayonet lugā is one of the evil features. Which is funny as shit. Iām not sure itās been a while since I looked at that brand of legislation.[/quote]
You might be right, Iām not a lawyer and this shit is confusing.
First you have this:
Ć¢??Assault weaponĆ¢??, shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994, and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR and FNC; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9 and M-12; (vi) Steyr AUG; (vii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (viii) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as, or similar to, the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; provided
So, basically they banned a bunch of names because they made guns that look scary.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section121
But yes, you are right and I was confusing a couple things with my postā¦
Here is the listing:
[i]The definition of Ć¢??assault weaponĆ¢?? is the same as the federal law that went into effect on September 13, 1994. Specific guns are banned by name, and guns with certain combinations of features are banned:
a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 ofā
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon ;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
(v) a grenade launcher;
a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 ofā
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip,
or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits
the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 ofā"
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.'Ć¢??[i]
So basically it seems pump action and bolt action can be pimped out to the core right?
http://www.goal.org/masslawpages/awfacts.html
lol.
Fuck this state
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Fuck this state
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Pack up, head north. Stop somewhere before you get to Canada and you will be in a New England state with sane gun laws and very low crime.
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Fuck this state
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Pack up, head north. Stop somewhere before you get to Canada and you will be in a New England state with sane gun laws and very low crime.
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Yeah, I live a mile away from freedom, belong to a club in a free state.
I literally live in the last northern mile of tyrannical gun laws in the north east that start somewhere along the lines of NJ. (Who, however have a governor not fucking stupid enough to sign a mag restriction bill.)
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.
Went shotgun instead.
Iām not sorry.
Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I canāt. [/quote]
You have a point there. I want a rifle, but long range shooting is cost prohibitive and difficult to find in my area. A shotgun would be oodles of fun and they are pretty cheap. Of course, I want a semi-auto which is less cheap, but still. There are some really cool semi auto shotguns out there. [/quote]
Get an air rifle. Cheap to shoot and the skills translate.
I have a cheap top break rifle and shoot it way more than my 22 or centerfires. Considering upgrading to something nicer.
Shotgunning (sporting clays)is a rich manās sport. A lot of fun.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.
Went shotgun instead.
Iām not sorry.
Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I canāt. [/quote]
You have a point there. I want a rifle, but long range shooting is cost prohibitive and difficult to find in my area. A shotgun would be oodles of fun and they are pretty cheap. Of course, I want a semi-auto which is less cheap, but still. There are some really cool semi auto shotguns out there. [/quote]
Get an air rifle. Cheap to shoot and the skills translate.
I have a cheap top break rifle and shoot it way more than my 22 or centerfires. Considering upgrading to something nicer.
Shotgunning (sporting clays)is a rich manās sport. A lot of fun.[/quote]
Shooting clays can be cheap. A box of clays ($10) and a hand thrower ($10) are all you need besides the shotgun. I throw with my right hand while holding my shotgun in my left. You may not be surprised by where itās going, but it can get out there fast while you are dropping the thrower and picking up your gun. Luckily, my local range has mechanical throwers for use for free.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.
Went shotgun instead.
Iām not sorry.
Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I canāt. [/quote]
You have a point there. I want a rifle, but long range shooting is cost prohibitive and difficult to find in my area. A shotgun would be oodles of fun and they are pretty cheap. Of course, I want a semi-auto which is less cheap, but still. There are some really cool semi auto shotguns out there. [/quote]
Get an air rifle. Cheap to shoot and the skills translate.
I have a cheap top break rifle and shoot it way more than my 22 or centerfires. Considering upgrading to something nicer.
Shotgunning (sporting clays)is a rich manās sport. A lot of fun.[/quote]
Shooting clays can be cheap. A box of clays ($10) and a hand thrower ($10) are all you need besides the shotgun. I throw with my right hand while holding my shotgun in my left. You may not be surprised by where itās going, but it can get out there fast while you are dropping the thrower and picking up your gun. Luckily, my local range has mechanical throwers for use for free.
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Old melons and generic soda is cheapā¦
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.
Went shotgun instead.
Iām not sorry.
Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I canāt. [/quote]
You have a point there. I want a rifle, but long range shooting is cost prohibitive and difficult to find in my area. A shotgun would be oodles of fun and they are pretty cheap. Of course, I want a semi-auto which is less cheap, but still. There are some really cool semi auto shotguns out there. [/quote]
Get an air rifle. Cheap to shoot and the skills translate.
I have a cheap top break rifle and shoot it way more than my 22 or centerfires. Considering upgrading to something nicer.
Shotgunning (sporting clays)is a rich manās sport. A lot of fun.[/quote]
Shooting clays can be cheap. A box of clays ($10) and a hand thrower ($10) are all you need besides the shotgun. I throw with my right hand while holding my shotgun in my left. You may not be surprised by where itās going, but it can get out there fast while you are dropping the thrower and picking up your gun. Luckily, my local range has mechanical throwers for use for free.
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You are right, you can do it for a reasonable cost. I just see the sprting clay guys tool around in their custom golf carts with their beautifal and crazy expensive shotguns and characterize them all as rich.
I am glad I am in the States. I am going shooting tomorrow.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.
Went shotgun instead.
Iām not sorry.
Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I canāt. [/quote]
You have a point there. I want a rifle, but long range shooting is cost prohibitive and difficult to find in my area. A shotgun would be oodles of fun and they are pretty cheap. Of course, I want a semi-auto which is less cheap, but still. There are some really cool semi auto shotguns out there. [/quote]
Get an air rifle. Cheap to shoot and the skills translate.
I have a cheap top break rifle and shoot it way more than my 22 or centerfires. Considering upgrading to something nicer.
Shotgunning (sporting clays)is a rich manās sport. A lot of fun.[/quote]
Shooting clays can be cheap. A box of clays ($10) and a hand thrower ($10) are all you need besides the shotgun. I throw with my right hand while holding my shotgun in my left. You may not be surprised by where itās going, but it can get out there fast while you are dropping the thrower and picking up your gun. Luckily, my local range has mechanical throwers for use for free.
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Old melons and generic soda is cheapā¦[/quote]
Old eggs with a 22 is fun with the kids.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.
Went shotgun instead.
Iām not sorry.
Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I canāt. [/quote]
You have a point there. I want a rifle, but long range shooting is cost prohibitive and difficult to find in my area. A shotgun would be oodles of fun and they are pretty cheap. Of course, I want a semi-auto which is less cheap, but still. There are some really cool semi auto shotguns out there. [/quote]
Get an air rifle. Cheap to shoot and the skills translate.
I have a cheap top break rifle and shoot it way more than my 22 or centerfires. Considering upgrading to something nicer.
Shotgunning (sporting clays)is a rich manās sport. A lot of fun.[/quote]
Shooting clays can be cheap. A box of clays ($10) and a hand thrower ($10) are all you need besides the shotgun. I throw with my right hand while holding my shotgun in my left. You may not be surprised by where itās going, but it can get out there fast while you are dropping the thrower and picking up your gun. Luckily, my local range has mechanical throwers for use for free.
[/quote]
Old melons and generic soda is cheapā¦[/quote]
Old eggs with a 22 is fun with the kids.[/quote]
Poker chips nailed to a big piece of plywood very cheap and very fun with my S&W AR15-22.
[quote]crowdhater wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.
Went shotgun instead.
Iām not sorry.
Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I canāt. [/quote]
You have a point there. I want a rifle, but long range shooting is cost prohibitive and difficult to find in my area. A shotgun would be oodles of fun and they are pretty cheap. Of course, I want a semi-auto which is less cheap, but still. There are some really cool semi auto shotguns out there. [/quote]
Get an air rifle. Cheap to shoot and the skills translate.
I have a cheap top break rifle and shoot it way more than my 22 or centerfires. Considering upgrading to something nicer.
Shotgunning (sporting clays)is a rich manās sport. A lot of fun.[/quote]
Shooting clays can be cheap. A box of clays ($10) and a hand thrower ($10) are all you need besides the shotgun. I throw with my right hand while holding my shotgun in my left. You may not be surprised by where itās going, but it can get out there fast while you are dropping the thrower and picking up your gun. Luckily, my local range has mechanical throwers for use for free.
[/quote]
Old melons and generic soda is cheapā¦[/quote]
Old eggs with a 22 is fun with the kids.[/quote]
Poker chips nailed to a big piece of plywood very cheap and very fun with my S&W AR15-22. [/quote]
Downwind from a dead bloated cow is not fun however regardless of caliber.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]crowdhater wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Long range shooting is too expensive, lol.
Went shotgun instead.
Iām not sorry.
Bought a Maverick 88 as my first. Just trying to figure out MA laws as to what stuff I can add on and what stuff I canāt. [/quote]
You have a point there. I want a rifle, but long range shooting is cost prohibitive and difficult to find in my area. A shotgun would be oodles of fun and they are pretty cheap. Of course, I want a semi-auto which is less cheap, but still. There are some really cool semi auto shotguns out there. [/quote]
Get an air rifle. Cheap to shoot and the skills translate.
I have a cheap top break rifle and shoot it way more than my 22 or centerfires. Considering upgrading to something nicer.
Shotgunning (sporting clays)is a rich manās sport. A lot of fun.[/quote]
Shooting clays can be cheap. A box of clays ($10) and a hand thrower ($10) are all you need besides the shotgun. I throw with my right hand while holding my shotgun in my left. You may not be surprised by where itās going, but it can get out there fast while you are dropping the thrower and picking up your gun. Luckily, my local range has mechanical throwers for use for free.
[/quote]
Old melons and generic soda is cheapā¦[/quote]
Old eggs with a 22 is fun with the kids.[/quote]
Poker chips nailed to a big piece of plywood very cheap and very fun with my S&W AR15-22. [/quote]
Downwind from a dead bloated cow is not fun however regardless of caliber.
[/quote]
The pistol range we go to doesnāt allow any metal or food targets. I posted some dandelions up, nailed the stem of one one with my SD40-VE on my first shot
everyone seemed to enjoy the challenge of hitting the stem of a dandelion with a pistl at ~35ft
Since itās the Fourth I figured Iād post a few pics of the flintlock long rifle I built with the help of a master gunsmith. Itās a close copy of a particular rifle which was made in Virginia before the revolution and was carried into Kentucky by one of the first surveyors who was killed there by the Shawnee. I also made the possibles bag myself. The powder horn was carved by my friend the gunsmith.
The last image loaded upside down, weāll see what happens to this one. Anyway, the flintlock has an undeserved reputation for being unreliable. This is because a lot of the early modern locks that came out when the interest in the old rifles came around in the 50ās and 60ās were poorly made by people who didnāt know what they were doing. Thereās a little bit of art to keeping the thing running properly, as opposed to just sticking a percussion cap on a nipple.
But of course theyāre reliable. Men staked their lives on them for many generations.
Well it wonāt let me go back and try to fix them.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Since itās the Fourth I figured Iād post a few pics of the flintlock long rifle I built with the help of a master gunsmith. Itās a close copy of a particular rifle which was made in Virginia before the revolution and was carried into Kentucky by one of the first surveyors who was killed there by the Shawnee. I also made the possibles bag myself. The powder horn was carved by my friend the gunsmith.[/quote]
Very Nice!
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
The last image loaded upside down, weāll see what happens to this one. Anyway, the flintlock has an undeserved reputation for being unreliable. This is because a lot of the early modern locks that came out when the interest in the old rifles came around in the 50ās and 60ās were poorly made by people who didnāt know what they were doing. Thereās a little bit of art to keeping the thing running properly, as opposed to just sticking a percussion cap on a nipple.
But of course theyāre reliable. Men staked their lives on them for many generations.[/quote]
Ah, the ultimate tool of the Revolution. A strong argument can be made that the flintlock long rifle was why we won the war. I would love to shoot one.
I could just imagine sitting in a tree with rifle in hand waiting to see red coats coming up the road and being taken by surprise. While they shoot aimlessly in to the woods with inaccurate muskets.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
The last image loaded upside down, weāll see what happens to this one. Anyway, the flintlock has an undeserved reputation for being unreliable. This is because a lot of the early modern locks that came out when the interest in the old rifles came around in the 50ās and 60ās were poorly made by people who didnāt know what they were doing. Thereās a little bit of art to keeping the thing running properly, as opposed to just sticking a percussion cap on a nipple.
But of course theyāre reliable. Men staked their lives on them for many generations.[/quote]
Ah, the ultimate tool of the Revolution. A strong argument can be made that the flintlock long rifle was why we won the war. I would love to shoot one.
I could just imagine sitting in a tree with rifle in hand waiting to see red coats coming up the road and being taken by surprise. While they shoot aimlessly in to the woods with inaccurate muskets.[/quote]
The Brown Bess and the smooth bores in general were not as inaccurate as most think, and could easily hit a man sized target at 60 yards. The smooth boreās strength was in rapid fire, as well trained infantry like the British regulars could fire 4-5 shots a minute, while the rifle takes around 2 minutes to reload. The rifleās compensation was range and accuracy. But you couldnāt snipe with it as the puff of smoke gave the riflemanās location away.
The British quickly learned that they could beat the riflemen by a quick bayonet charge, thereby closing ground before the riflemen could reload. Several skirmishes ended very badly for the rebels this way, and there are many fine American Longrifles in British collections today. So the rifle was really a skirmisherās tool, and was in fact also used by some loyalists and even special detachments of the British army.
The two battles where it played a decisive role were the battles of Saratoga and Kingās Mountain. It was likely not even present at Lexington and Concord as it was a regional specialty of Pennsylvania and Virginia before the war, and would have been very uncommon in Massachusetts.