Gun Love Thread

[quote]duramax600 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
You guys are lucky with a lady that packs. Mine wants nothing to do with it. I get the “I don’t like guns” thing. My wife runs with some of her girlfriends and I can’t even get her to carry the mace I bought her 3 years ago.

Shit, 2 people and 2 guns puts you at a better chance than one alone.[/quote]

Yeah, I am sorry dude. It’s a disease amoung young woman. They just don’t believe ‘it could happen to them’, until they get a close shave, of course.

I don’t know how to change someone’s mentality so you have your work cut out for you. Tell her pat thinks all women should carry, because assholes exist. :slight_smile:
Maybe that will work?[/quote]

Thanks but I doubt it’ll work. She know the world is full of wackos but like you said, won’t happen to me. I guess because she runs with a group of girls, there’s safety in number. I like my idea of safety in numbers; me and 10 in a magazine.
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I have extended mags so I have 20 [/quote]

I usually carry my glock 10mm or my springfield XD 40. Each are 14+1 and I always keep an extra clip with me too. Plus, I usually have my SW 38 J frame hammerless as my backup gun on me as well.

Beyond that, if I can make it to my car with the firepower on me, you are fucked lol.[/quote]
Not sure about you or all else here. This is what a law professor told me. " because of your size your fkd. Prosecutor will say look at his size he did not need to use dealdy force". Fkd if you do fkd if ya dont. But a dead guy cant testify. Thats mg logic.
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Yep good point it’s what a reasonable person would believe. I agree that you should shoot to kill (shooting is deadly force anyway) to keep from getting sued or testified against. As long as the situation justifies it.

Just picked up this little guy today

Yes there are many variables, size only matters to an extent. The big guy using deadly force will have a much harder time justifying the use of deadly force over someone smaller . It is all in the articulation of the story.

I myself do not consider myself to be a large man. Now my brother weighs about 65 lbs more than me. In this instance he did not use deadly force. But a fellow came into the bar my bro was at pulled a shotgun on my bro. My bro then pulled the shotgun from the fellas hands. And beat the shotgun wielding fella senseless. My bro still sat 5 days in jail with plenty of witness stated facts i have gave here. After 5 days he was released with no charges.
Point is while my bro was let go because he did nothing wrong corroborated by witnesses he still sat jail time. Outcome could have been much worse. But still damned if you do damned if you dont.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Just picked up this little guy today[/quote]
Nice little 40

[quote]pat wrote:
I carry in the front though. I just feel like the back makes me too vulnerable. I cannot see if it’s exposed, if I bend over it shows, at least the outline, and my biggest fear carrying in the back is somebody running up and grabbing it.
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I carry in the front for the same reasons you mentioned as well as the fact that it’s much easier to get to and present while driving than in the back or even in the console or glove box. I would not carry a striker fired pistol condition one that way though. Hammer fired or with a safety.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Just picked up this little guy today[/quote]

Nice piece. I was seriously considering the Shield when buying my sr9c. The Ruger won by a hair.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Just picked up this little guy today[/quote]

Nice piece. I was seriously considering the Shield when buying my sr9c. The Ruger won by a hair.[/quote]

Thanks. My brother carries an sr9c solid gun. I initially wanted the XDs but I couldn’t make myself spend $100 more for it over the shield. Feels great in hand for such a small thin gun.

EDIT: would love the kel tec pf9 too, especially with that price, but they aren’t on our special little list.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
The Navy’s new “super gun.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/watch-navy-s-new-supergun-launch-shells-at-5600-mph-bfCXOGXZQziZgHnsbq9VzQ.html?cmpid=otbrn.video[/quote]

As a former NAVY man, I approve! lol that’s bad ass.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
The Navy’s new “super gun.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/watch-navy-s-new-supergun-launch-shells-at-5600-mph-bfCXOGXZQziZgHnsbq9VzQ.html?cmpid=otbrn.video[/quote]

Thanks pushharder. I will sleep better tonight knowing the bad guys just fell behind even more.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Just picked up this little guy today[/quote]

Nice piece. I was seriously considering the Shield when buying my sr9c. The Ruger won by a hair.[/quote]

Thanks. My brother carries an sr9c solid gun. I initially wanted the XDs but I couldn’t make myself spend $100 more for it over the shield. Feels great in hand for such a small thin gun.

EDIT: would love the kel tec pf9 too, especially with that price, but they aren’t on our special little list.[/quote]

There’s too many to choose from! What a great problem. You cannot go wrong with any of those pistols. The XD’s are nice, but they aren’t $100 nicer than the Shield or the SR series. They are nicer though, I got to give them props. The grip and trigger on the XD’s are superb.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
The Navy’s new “super gun.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/watch-navy-s-new-supergun-launch-shells-at-5600-mph-bfCXOGXZQziZgHnsbq9VzQ.html?cmpid=otbrn.video[/quote]

That’s bad ass. Think they’ll make a ‘carry’ version?

Certainly your safe behind a brick wall right?

It’s a bit long, if you want to get to the good stuff go to 14:33. Demolition via .500 Magnum.
I’d love to have one, but I couldn’t even justify a reason to drop $1400 on a revolver that exists basically to show off. The ammo is rather steep too. But then again, it’s a 50 caliber handgun.

Sage advice. well worth the read.

Ten Rules for Winning a Gunfight

Gang Detective Jared Reston knows something about winning gunfights. In a dozen years with the Jacksonville (Fla.) Sheriff?s Office, he has killed three suspects who tried to murder him. Eight other times, he?s been part of a SWAT team that ended life-threatening encounters with deadly force.

In one battle with a teenage shoplifting suspect, which he vividly describes in a PoliceOne BLUtube interview, Reston was shot seven times before he was able to deliver three fatal contact rounds to his assailant?s head.
One of Reston?s wounds came from a .45-cal. round that blasted through his jaw and out of his neck, blowing out teeth and bone in its transit. It took 14 surgeries to reconstruct his mouth and face, yet he fought to a remarkable recovery that saw him back on full duty is just six months. At the recent 25th annual conference of the Illinois Tactical Officers Association, Reston shared with fellow operators his open secrets for staying alive against staggering odds. Whether you work with a team or patrol the streets alone, these are the 10 fundamentals he believes will help you win any armed encounter, just as they?ve helped him repeatedly.

1.) Be Ready to Inflict ?Unspeakable Violence?
?Some officers die because they didn?t use the appropriate amount of force early on,? says Reston, the lead firearms instructor for his agency?s SWAT team. ?Know what your state statutes and department policy say about when you can use deadly force so you can act with confidence without hesitation. You shouldn?t have to consciously think about what?s permissible or whether you?ll get sued. That just puts you farther behind the curve. ?Be prepared to go in an instant from being calm to inflicting unspeakable violence on those who would take your life…and then back to calm again. Commit mentally and physically to doing whatever is necessary ? with hyper intensity ? to prevail. You won?t have time to think or warm up. You have to have that subconscious willingness to hurt dangerous people right there, and turn it on like a switch ? like you would if someone was trying to snatch your child or someone else you love from you. ?You can condition yourself for that through stress-inoculation scenario training. The more you train under stress, the less stress you?ll feel when it?s real. ?Don?t depend on adrenalin to energize you and get you through a crisis. It may drain your strength instead. When gunfire starts, I?ve known officers who just shut down. They couldn?t even talk to the dispatcher. They thought they were ready for a gunfight, but they weren?t.?

2.) Mentally Rehearse
Reston is a strong believer in integrating hours of mental imagery into your training regimen. ?Guys ask me, ?Did it bother you to shoot the suspect with contact shots to his head?? And I say, ?No, because I?d already done it in my mind thousands of times.? ?Your mindset to win has to be constantly honed or you?ll lose it. Mental rehearsal is one way to hone it. Imagine yourself confronting and defeating every kind of challenge you can conjure up. Imagine yourself getting shot and how you?ll react. And don?t just imagine the stereotype bad guys. The assailant you have to kill may look a lot like you. They?re not always gangbangers or hardened felons. Anybody at any time may try to hurt you.? Just be certain, Reston cautions, that in real life you can employ the skills you imagine yourself using to win in your mental scenarios. If candidly you have doubts, then that should identify your training challenge(s), because ?in a crisis you won?t surpass your level of preparation.?

3.) Armor Up
Yes, body armor is hot, it?s bulky, ?it sucks,? Reston concedes. ?But it?s a tool that will help you survive a physical fight or a car crash as well as a gunfight. If you don?t wear it, you?re lazy, inconsiderate of your family, and ignorant about your own safety.? Three of the rounds fired on him by the shoplifter impacted across his chest, one in the dead-center of his vest plate. ?Body armor helped keep me in the fight. The shot that hit the plate would have been a show-stopper for sure without my vest.?

4.) Watch for Opportunities of Advantage
?In most encounters, moments arise when you can gain the upper hand, but these windows of opportunity open and close quickly,? Reston says. ?For instance, a subject who?s threatening you in a combat stance may drop his hands enough for just an instant that you could smash him in the face. Or a suspect?s manner at a certain point may suggest he?s willing to give up, but if he?s allowed more time to think without being quickly controlled, he might not.
?Be watchful and be ready. Act decisively. You may not get another chance.?

  1. Don?t be Equipment-Dependent
    ?Be prepared for any weapon to fail ? not to work or not get the results you want,? Reston says. His Taser once malfunctioned at a critical moment. ?It didn?t spark, it didn?t shoot, it didn?t do anything except count down on the screen,? he recalls, necessitating a fast transition to empty-hand tactics and eventually to his Glock 22 to control a hostile subject who was determined to attack him. ?A failure may surprise you, but it shouldn?t shut you down. Know the immediate action that may fix the problem. Drill that over and over and over, so your hands can go through the manipulations subconsciously while your eyes and mind are concentrating on the threat. ?Always have a Plan B, so you don?t get stuck in a Plan A that isn?t working. Be your own weapon. If you?re well trained in multiple skills, what won?t fail you is you. ?

6.) Target Your Weaknesses
When it comes to prevailing against deadly threats, Reston thinks like Bear Bryant, the legendary ?Bama football coach: ?It?s not the will to win but the willingness to prepare to win that makes the difference.?
Training for ?that day,? Reston believes, is everything. ?Work on the things you?re not good at,? he says, ?because you never know which tool or combination from your toolbox your life will depend on. Set aside time to go to the range regularly, to work out with a balanced program to build up your strength and endurance, to practice your DT. Seek out additional training outside your agency. Spend your own money. Invest in yourself.
?We need to be better than we were 20 years ago, given today?s criminal gun culture. All the motivation you need should be the realization that there are people out there who want to kill you just because of what you are and what you represent ? and you never know when you will meet one of them.?

7.) Stay Fit
In the foot pursuit that preceded the shootout with the shoplifter, Reston?s partner fell behind ? not because he was wholly out of shape but because he?d concentrated only on strength building in his workouts, with scant attention to cardio fitness. ?He couldn?t run more than 40 yards,? Reston says. He was out of sight and out of shooting range when Reston took the suspect?s seven rounds. ?Having two of us there might have made a difference,? Reston says. ?He didn?t eat or sleep for two days, worrying about what I?d think of him. Then he got serious and changed his workout program. ?Staying fit so you can do the job the way it needs to be done isn?t just for yourself. It?s for your partner, your family, other officers, and for the community you?ve sworn to protect.?

8.) Fight ?til the Lights Go Out
When your life is on the line, Reston stresses, ?FIGHT! You can?t just lay there and hope the situation will go away. You can fight through getting shot. You may not feel pain for two or three minutes, and in that time you can win. Mentally rehearse doing it.? Your adversary may have a will to win that?s nearly as great as yours. In the shoplifter shooting, Reston had hit his assailant with so many .40-cal. rounds that ?he was a walking dead man, but he still kept coming and shooting.? Though critically wounded, Reston?s resolve was to ?keep firing until the lights went out.? When he had the opportunity to grab the suspect and pull him close enough for three contact shots to the head, he took it and finished the fight. ?My last words will never be screaming into the radio for help,? he declares.
?If I go out, I?ll go out fighting.?

9.) Practice Self Aid / Buddy Aid
?Make your own wound-treatment kit if you?re not issued one,? Reston advises, ?? or be willing to watch someone die in front of you because you didn?t.? Include four-inch square gauze pads, a tourniquet, QuickClot or similar hemostatics, and a seal for covering a sucking chest wound. ?These items can stop a lot of bleeding and can be kept in a packet small enough to carry with you,? he says. Practice using them on yourself and others so you can do so automatically under stress. And watch what you say around a wounded colleague. When Reston was bleeding from several wounds inflicted by the homicidal shoplifter, a fellow officer knelt beside him, held his hand, and reassured him, ?You?re gonna be ok.? But then he turned to another officer and said loudly, ?Where?s rescue? He?s gonna die!? ?Don?t ?comfort? anyone ?into the Light,? ? Reston remarks.

10.) Don?t Let the Suspect ?Win from the Grave?
The determination to win may need to continue beyond the initial victory. Reston has drawn on his warrior mindset to carry him through a torturous recovery from the shoplifter shooting, including months of surgeries and rehabilitation, with 14 operations to repair his damaged face alone. ?It still hurts,? he says. But even as he rode to the hospital in the rescue wagon, he vowed to come roaring back. ?I wanted to be out of bed and able to stand by the time of the suspect?s funeral,? he recalls. He consciously stretched the time between pain medications. Within two weeks, he?d designed a workout routine. In six months, he was back on full duty. ?I wasn?t going to let the shooting define me or ruin the rest of my life. I wasn?t going to let that son-of-a-bitch win from the grave. ?You may have scars,? Reston says. ?I?m still not able to do all the same workouts I used to do. But every day that I push on and accomplish something is another kick in his balls. The way you win on the street and in life is to set goals, stretch yourself. When you reach one goal, set another.? Whatever personal improvements Reston may have on his goal list, his ability to prevail in a crisis clearly remains undiminished. The shoplifter incident was the second confrontation in which Reston shot and killed a gunman. Since then, he?s had a third. He and another officer were approaching a man wanted for multiple murders when the fugitive suddenly went for a gun. The officers hit him ? mortally ? with six rounds. The suspect never got off a shot.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Certainly your safe behind a brick wall right?

It’s a bit long, if you want to get to the good stuff go to 14:33. Demolition via .500 Magnum.
I’d love to have one, but I couldn’t even justify a reason to drop $1400 on a revolver that exists basically to show off. The ammo is rather steep too. But then again, it’s a 50 caliber handgun. [/quote]

Would love it if they made a lever action saddle rifle to pair up with the revolver that shared that cartridge.
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That may be your million dollar idea Push. I bet those would sell a lot better than the revolver would, especially to big game hunters.
Deer hiding behind a tree? No problem just shoot through the tree. Don’t want to injure the deer and have it run off half a mile before it drops? No problem, he’ll be lifted and tossed 2 yards from the point of impact.

My million dollar idea is a handgun that shoots .223 or 5.56 Nato. A carry-able hand gun. I just don’t know avoid a 3 inch long grip. You could do a revolver with no issues. I don’t mean like a small rifle, I mean a hand gun. That would be awesome I think. A little .22 with some authority.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Certainly your safe behind a brick wall right?

It’s a bit long, if you want to get to the good stuff go to 14:33. Demolition via .500 Magnum.
I’d love to have one, but I couldn’t even justify a reason to drop $1400 on a revolver that exists basically to show off. The ammo is rather steep too. But then again, it’s a 50 caliber handgun. [/quote]

Would love it if they made a lever action saddle rifle to pair up with the revolver that shared that cartridge.
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That may be your million dollar idea Push. I bet those would sell a lot better than the revolver would, especially to big game hunters.
Deer hiding behind a tree? No problem just shoot through the tree. Don’t want to injure the deer and have it run off half a mile before it drops? No problem, he’ll be lifted and tossed 2 yards from the point of impact.

My million dollar idea is a handgun that shoots .223 or 5.56 Nato. A carry-able hand gun. I just don’t know avoid a 3 inch long grip. You could do a revolver with no issues. I don’t mean like a small rifle, I mean a hand gun. That would be awesome I think. A little .22 with some authority.[/quote]

You mean like this?:slight_smile:

http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/handguns/five-seven/

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Certainly your safe behind a brick wall right?

It’s a bit long, if you want to get to the good stuff go to 14:33. Demolition via .500 Magnum.
I’d love to have one, but I couldn’t even justify a reason to drop $1400 on a revolver that exists basically to show off. The ammo is rather steep too. But then again, it’s a 50 caliber handgun. [/quote]

Would love it if they made a lever action saddle rifle to pair up with the revolver that shared that cartridge.
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That may be your million dollar idea Push. I bet those would sell a lot better than the revolver would, especially to big game hunters.
Deer hiding behind a tree? No problem just shoot through the tree. Don’t want to injure the deer and have it run off half a mile before it drops? No problem, he’ll be lifted and tossed 2 yards from the point of impact.

My million dollar idea is a handgun that shoots .223 or 5.56 Nato. A carry-able hand gun. I just don’t know avoid a 3 inch long grip. You could do a revolver with no issues. I don’t mean like a small rifle, I mean a hand gun. That would be awesome I think. A little .22 with some authority.[/quote]

You mean like this?:slight_smile:

http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/handguns/five-seven/[/quote]

No, I am talking the 5.56 x 45. That gun takes 5.7 x 28. I want the full sized round in an easy to use carry-able package…

[quote]pat wrote:
No, I am talking the 5.56 x 45. That gun takes 5.7 x 28. I want the full sized round in an easy to use carry-able package…[/quote]

Heizer makes one: First Look: Heizer Defense PAR1 Pocket AR Pistol - Guns and Ammo

Although IMO I don’t see the point. You don’t have the barrel length to get the velocity that makes the cartridge effective, plus a whole lot more noise and barrel flash with poor shootability.

Keltec makes the PMR30 which shoots 22 WMR at probably the same velocity as the full blown 223 given maybe a 4" barrel and it holds a ton more rounds.

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
No, I am talking the 5.56 x 45. That gun takes 5.7 x 28. I want the full sized round in an easy to use carry-able package…[/quote]

Heizer makes one: First Look: Heizer Defense PAR1 Pocket AR Pistol - Guns and Ammo

Although IMO I don’t see the point. You don’t have the barrel length to get the velocity that makes the cartridge effective, plus a whole lot more noise and barrel flash with poor shootability.

Keltec makes the PMR30 which shoots 22 WMR at probably the same velocity as the full blown 223 given maybe a 4" barrel and it holds a ton more rounds.
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Sure there are plenty of effective rounds for hand guns. That’s not the point. The point is just coolness, to shoot a full sized 5.56 nato from a hand gun. I don’t think velocity is as much of an issue as accuracy. But if you need to be accurate 300 yards away, then you get the rifle anyway.
There’s no need for it, per se. It would just be fun, which is really the only point since I am not really interested in popping a cap in anyone’s ass.
If you just want a serviceable do it all gun then a .357 Mag is more than enough for any occasion.
The point is, it would be fun. That’s all.