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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Actually, I have seen a few velocity tests that show while the short barrel does have some loss of velocity it’s pretty negligible unless you are talking extreme differences like between a 10 in barrel and a 2 in barrel. Differences between 3 and 6 aren’t as prominent.
If you want to shoot .38’s I still would get the .357 because you have the option to shoot both. I like options.[/quote]

Yep, you are correct. Muzzle velocities are directly proportional to barrel length to a large degree. In case you didn’t know,“+P” ammo was created specifically to help with the problem of short barrels. check out the link below. It has links to FBI ballisitics testing plus some really good info on recommended ammo choices for a variety of calibers. Note that most modern handgun calibers perform essentially the same so this serves to dispell any “bro science” of “X” caliber being 10000% more deadly than “X” caliber, but that’s a topic in and of itself.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/#9mm[/quote]

check this site out. they test with factory guns. they also have ballistics charts for several different muzzle velocities. pistol calibers from .32 to .500 Lindbaugh and rifle calibers from Sniper .223 to .50 Alaskan

their comments
38 SPL +P BUFFALO-BARNES LEAD-FREE - 110 gr. BARNES TAC-XP, Short-Barrel, Low-Flash

See the below real world velocities fired from real world revolvers, not extra long laboratory test barrels that give false extra high velocities, that cannot be duplicated in real life. With Buffalo Bore Ammunition, youâ??ll always get real world, useable velocities.
1.1438 fps – Ruger GP 100, 6 inch barrel
2.1287 fps – S&W Model 15, 4 inch barrel
3.1210 fps – S&W Model 66, 3 inch barrel
4.1202 fps – Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel
5.1149 fps – S&W Model 66, 2.5 inch barrel
6.1119 fps – S&W Model 60, 2 inch barrel
7.1104 fps – S&W Model 340, 2 inch barrel

This load is safe to fire from all 38SPL +P rated and all/any 357 firearms that are in normal operating condition. However, when fired from super light weight alloy J frame revolvers, recoil is stiff. This cartridge is designed so the bullet will not jump crimp when subjected to recoil from firing in super light 12 OZ revolvers, provided you do not subject any cartridge to the recoil of more than six or seven firings

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
Here’s last Christmas gift;
Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. intended solely for hunting. She packs a hell-of-a punch but the recoil is manageable.

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I want one of these so badly, but I’m pretty sure no one makes one that is MA compliant. [/quote]

What the hell doesn’t comply to in MA? We are talking about the 44 mag. right and not the 9mm? Are we talking state hunting laws or state handgun laws?

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

What the hell doesn’t comply to in MA? We are talking about the 44 mag. right and not the 9mm? Are we talking state hunting laws or state handgun laws?
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Yes the Mag. I’m not an expert (yet, lol) however MA handgun laws are a pain in the ass. You can’t get a Glock unless it is pre-ban for example. There are certain standards the firearm has to meet, and the manufacturer has to pay for the testing. Most don’t give a fuck about this shithole state and don’t bother. From what I was reading the other day, there aren’t many manufactures putting out quality firearms like your picture that meet MA requirements.

I believe the requirements include safe indicators, trigger weight, etc, among other things:

[i]Chapter 140, section 123, of the Massachusetts General Laws states that a dealer may only sell guns that can pass a drop test, are not prone to repeat firing, and which meet a certain materials standard.

In order to make this requirement understandable, the state approved â??independent testing laboratoriesâ?? and a testing procedure. Manufacturers of handguns may now choose to pay these labs to perform the tests mentioned in the law.

The labs sent their certified results to the Gun Control Advisory Board, which reviews the results to ensure the tests were performed properly and that the guns passed the tests. They then vote on whether to recommend that the gun be on the Approved Firearms Roster. The Executive Office of Public Safety then acts on these recommendations and publishes a new roster. These regulations are found in 501 CMR 7.00.
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http://www.goal.org/handgunsales.html

MA blows man.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

MA blows man. [/quote]

It does. I live in Brookline when I went to MIT/Harvard and was harassed beyond belief for getting a shotgun for the house.

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That’s a joke! You have a real mess up there. Are they saying that the Ruger Blackhawk won’t pass a drop test? Hay Einstein, don’t drop it! Do they also have a law requiring it to be pointed in a safe direction while loading and unloading it? Conclusing; gun owner are to stupid to own guns.

My 9mm is for CWC, I CHOOSE not to carry it “HOT”, it’s just safer and I’m am willing to give up 2 seconds to chamber a round.

I did see the caveat in the information you provided:
“…the standards of the law and of the Attorney General, apply only to retail sales by dealers, not to private sales between individuals.”

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

I did see the caveat in the information you provided:
“…the standards of the law and of the Attorney General, apply only to retail sales by dealers, not to private sales between individuals.”

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From my understanding this is to allow transfer of pre-ban firearms and inheritance etc…

The thing is, all sales are tracked and registered. There is a central list of who owns what in some State house somewhere…

So if someone comes in your house, and you shoot them to defend yourself, with a “pre-ban mag” (one over 10 rounds manufactured pre-ban) in a firearm not manufactured pre-ban (the M&P for example) you will go to prison on felon weapon charges, because you felt 11-15 rounds was what you needed to defend your family.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

MA blows man. [/quote]

It does. I live in Brookline when I went to MIT/Harvard and was harassed beyond belief for getting a shotgun for the house.[/quote]

AN FID in MA is all you need for pump action shotguns, bolt action rifles and any .22 rifle. And the FID is a shall issue. You have to murder Jesus to not get an FID.

This doesn’t mean that the local authority can’t hassle the living shit out of you for trying to get it, lol.

My town has an “automatic” 2 year carry restriction. I have a class A, and can buy any MA complaint firearm, but can’t carry until my sporting restriction is waved. (The chief doesn’t give restrictions to his friends.) So, while driving to the range the firearm needs to be unloaded, in a box, and cabled to the frame of my car.

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Wow, you got it bad!

In PA, you can walk into a store, throw $500 down on the glass showcase and sayâ?? That oneâ??. In 5min. after you fill out a form, they call in your background check. In 5 more min. you can walk out with a 17 round capacity semi-auto handgun. No safety course, no cool-down period, no references, etc.

PA is a right to carry state; I am not sure about you guys. What the heck do you have to do to carry concealed? We pay a small fee (I think it’s like $25) give them some information, they take your picture and you get a call in 2 weeks to pick up your â??Carry Permitâ??. The carry permit allows you to carry concealed and loaded in a vehicle. Other then a felon, anyone can open carry, the just get you for Disturbing the Peace if someone says anything and you are being an asshole.

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So glad I live in the deep south.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
Wow, you got it bad!

In PA, you can walk into a store, throw $500 down on the glass showcase and sayâ?? That oneâ??. In 5min. after you fill out a form, they call in your background check. In 5 more min. you can walk out with a 17 round capacity semi-auto handgun. No safety course, no cool-down period, no references, etc.[/quote]

I can walk out with my weapon as well, as long as I have the license to buy it and buy it in MA. If I buy in New Hampshire or any other state (handguns only) they have to be shipped to a MA dealer, inspected, registered and then I can pick it up.

Complete a safety course, and then apply at your town/city police department.
They take your name, references, money, fingerprints, and picture. Then the locals run a back ground check, the state runs a background check and MA requests the Fed’s also run one. (Or so the officer taking my info told me. Is he correct? I assume so.)

And then in what is supposed to be 40 days (mine took 6 months from the date I first walked into the station.) you go to the local chief and drop off 3 letters of reference. People you’ve known 5+ years that are okay with you having a firearm, can’t be family. They then hand you your license.

[quote]We pay a small fee (I think it’s like $25) give them some information, they take your picture and you get a call in 2 weeks to pick up your â??Carry Permitâ??. The carry permit allows you to carry concealed and loaded in a vehicle. Other then a felon, anyone can open carry, the just get you for Disturbing the Peace if someone says anything and you are being an asshole.
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I’ll be moving to New Hampshire as soon as my son graduates High School, which is a little under 4 years from now.

I will be in the same position you are.

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On the carry permit:

Carry is a “Class A”. This allows you to carry and purchase and own any MA complaint weapon that doesn’t need a special license. (You can get full auto weapons in MA, but not unless you are blowing the AG and a General in the Army, lol.)

However your local authority can restrict your “Class A” to “sporting” which eliminates your right to carry. Home defense, range and hunting only. Your Local Authority DOES NOT NEED A REASON TO RESTRICT YOUR CLASS A. They can do it because you have white shoes on, and this is MA, so the Atty General will back any restriction given out.

Fuck I hate this state.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
So glad I live in the deep south.[/quote]

It’s headed your way my friend. I am involved in a lot of thing but a member of only 2; the church and the NRA. “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition”

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

MA blows man. [/quote]

It does. I live in Brookline when I went to MIT/Harvard and was harassed beyond belief for getting a shotgun for the house.[/quote]

AN FID in MA is all you need for pump action shotguns, bolt action rifles and any .22 rifle. And the FID is a shall issue. You have to murder Jesus to not get an FID.

This doesn’t mean that the local authority can’t hassle the living shit out of you for trying to get it, lol.

My town has an “automatic” 2 year carry restriction. I have a class A, and can buy any MA complaint firearm, but can’t carry until my sporting restriction is waved. (The chief doesn’t give restrictions to his friends.) So, while driving to the range the firearm needs to be unloaded, in a box, and cabled to the frame of my car. [/quote]

The Brookline cops (and remember, this is the town that repeatedly elected Barney Fag) refused on the grounds that I was a student and it violated the “chief’s personal policy.”

I had to appeal – which went through, after about six months.

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Beans,

What if you purchased it from an individual out of state? Does it still have to be compliant?

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I feel bad for my T-Nation yankee brethren being oppressed by ridiculous gun laws.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
Here’s last Christmas gift;
Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. intended solely for hunting. She packs a hell-of-a punch but the recoil is manageable.
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Sweet gun. An FYI, A 20 gage shotgun shooting a 2 3/4" slug, is roughly TWICE as powerful as that hand cannon…

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
Here’s last Christmas gift;
Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. intended solely for hunting. She packs a hell-of-a punch but the recoil is manageable.
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Sweet gun. An FYI, A 20 gage shotgun shooting a 2 3/4" slug, is roughly TWICE as powerful as that hand cannon…[/quote]

This reminds me what an awesome personal defense weapon a short barreled, semi-auto, extended magazine 20 ga. shotgun would be.

I might have to go buy one. Suggestions, anyone?[/quote]

hell yeah, SAIGA 12 /20 from Tromix…they are the cats ass. I get an uncomfortable boner just looking at it :slight_smile: