Gun Love Thread

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
On the carry permit:

Carry is a “Class A”. This allows you to carry and purchase and own any MA complaint weapon that doesn’t need a special license. (You can get full auto weapons in MA, but not unless you are blowing the AG and a General in the Army, lol.)

However your local authority can restrict your “Class A” to “sporting” which eliminates your right to carry. Home defense, range and hunting only. Your Local Authority DOES NOT NEED A REASON TO RESTRICT YOUR CLASS A. They can do it because you have white shoes on, and this is MA, so the Atty General will back any restriction given out.

Fuck I hate this state. [/quote]

I heard MA was getting sued because they’re only supposed to hold an application for like 90days but some people have been waiting 6 months.

MA sucks man, come up to NH.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
Here’s last Christmas gift;
Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. intended solely for hunting. She packs a hell-of-a punch but the recoil is manageable.
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Sweet gun. An FYI, A 20 gage shotgun shooting a 2 3/4" slug, is roughly TWICE as powerful as that hand cannon…[/quote]

This reminds me what an awesome personal defense weapon a short barreled, semi-auto, extended magazine 20 ga. shotgun would be.

I might have to go buy one. Suggestions, anyone?[/quote]

At some point your magazine extension will be longer than you’re barrel, negating any maneuverability advantage the short barrel will give you.

I traded my dad a 12 gauge 870 for the 20 gauge 870 youth we shot as kids. I haven’t book an extended magazine on it, but I took out the limiter that was in there and it holds 4 + 1 currently.

Eyeballing it, I think I could get at least a 3 round extender for it without it exceeding the barrel length for a total of 8 rounds.

This is the budget option. I’m not wasting money or a tax stamp on a SBR Saiga.

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Very true. SBR’s are really only worth a fuck for operators that get in and out of vehicles often. One can get those shotties at all kinds of barrel lenghts to not need any of those BS tax stamps. Saiga’s are cool but I’ll stick with my Mossberg M590A1, 20" barrel, 8+1 rd cap plus have a 6 rd side saddle with slugs. Love that piece.

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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
Here’s last Christmas gift;
Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. intended solely for hunting. She packs a hell-of-a punch but the recoil is manageable.
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Sweet gun. An FYI, A 20 gage shotgun shooting a 2 3/4" slug, is roughly TWICE as powerful as that hand cannon…[/quote]

Thanks!
Ow, I’ve shot the pumpkin balls out of my 12 gauge, but this is a whole different sport. I harvested bucks with a bow, a rifle, a crossbow and a flintlock but never a hand gun. Funny how we take a sport that can be difficult to succeeded in and make it harder.

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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
Here’s last Christmas gift;
Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. intended solely for hunting. She packs a hell-of-a punch but the recoil is manageable.
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Sweet gun. An FYI, A 20 gage shotgun shooting a 2 3/4" slug, is roughly TWICE as powerful as that hand cannon…[/quote]

This reminds me what an awesome personal defense weapon a short barreled, semi-auto, extended magazine 20 ga. shotgun would be.

I might have to go buy one. Suggestions, anyone?[/quote]

hell yeah, SAIGA 12 /20 from Tromix…they are the cats ass. I get an uncomfortable boner just looking at it :)[/quote]

Sweet baby but a bitch to put in your pocket. Personally for home defense, a cheap 12 gauge pump with buckshot will make a mess of some dude coming down the hall. I heard, “Ow it’s to easy to take it out of some ones hands with the barrel length”. Ya, what to try it? lol!

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
On the carry permit:

Carry is a “Class A”. This allows you to carry and purchase and own any MA complaint weapon that doesn’t need a special license. (You can get full auto weapons in MA, but not unless you are blowing the AG and a General in the Army, lol.)

However your local authority can restrict your “Class A” to “sporting” which eliminates your right to carry. Home defense, range and hunting only. Your Local Authority DOES NOT NEED A REASON TO RESTRICT YOUR CLASS A. They can do it because you have white shoes on, and this is MA, so the Atty General will back any restriction given out.

Fuck I hate this state. [/quote]

“Shall not be infringed” ain’t happening in MA? I daresay what you’ve described is the quintessential example of infringement.

Gee whiz.
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MA is terrible about gun laws. Seriously, do you think they would have to have locked down the whole city over one crazy muslim punk if the people had a right to arm and protect themselves? Nope. Armed citizens would have found that asshole much quicker than the cops.
I have family in-law in MA. The reported gun laws are so oppressive, they’d rather just not bother. Technically, according to them, if somebody breaks into your house you are legally obligated to run away. You have no legal right to defend yourself or your property with a weapon in MA.
Fuck that place.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
This year Christmas gift; Ruger SR9c 9mm for concealed carry.

I did my research and held a few different guns. Not to knock any of the other well know companies or models, this just felt right. Being left-handed, I do like the ambidextrous safety. The gun is small enough to conceal with the 10 round clip. If you don’t like a pinky under grip, then you can use the extender that comes with the gun. If you want a full size feel, Ruger also supplies a 17 round clip.
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Hey I have one of those! I love it. It’s accurate as hell. The recoil is nothing in that gun. Most of the time, I carry the SR9c or the SP101. Depends on my mood.
Right now I have it loaded with some Buffalo Bore +P+ 115 grain rounds. It’s handles them just fine.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
Here’s last Christmas gift;
Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. intended solely for hunting. She packs a hell-of-a punch but the recoil is manageable.

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That thing is gorgeous. Especially the handle, just beautiful. I wouldn’t change a thing on it. I think a .44 magnum is my next gun. I haven’t decided if I want to go short or long barrel.

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[quote]silverblood wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Actually, I have seen a few velocity tests that show while the short barrel does have some loss of velocity it’s pretty negligible unless you are talking extreme differences like between a 10 in barrel and a 2 in barrel. Differences between 3 and 6 aren’t as prominent.
If you want to shoot .38’s I still would get the .357 because you have the option to shoot both. I like options.[/quote]

Yep, you are correct. Muzzle velocities are directly proportional to barrel length to a large degree. In case you didn’t know,“+P” ammo was created specifically to help with the problem of short barrels. check out the link below. It has links to FBI ballisitics testing plus some really good info on recommended ammo choices for a variety of calibers. Note that most modern handgun calibers perform essentially the same so this serves to dispell any “bro science” of “X” caliber being 10000% more deadly than “X” caliber, but that’s a topic in and of itself.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/#9mm[/quote]

check this site out. they test with factory guns. they also have ballistics charts for several different muzzle velocities. pistol calibers from .32 to .500 Lindbaugh and rifle calibers from Sniper .223 to .50 Alaskan

their comments
38 SPL +P BUFFALO-BARNES LEAD-FREE - 110 gr. BARNES TAC-XP, Short-Barrel, Low-Flash

See the below real world velocities fired from real world revolvers, not extra long laboratory test barrels that give false extra high velocities, that cannot be duplicated in real life. With Buffalo Bore Ammunition, youâ??ll always get real world, useable velocities.
1.1438 fps – Ruger GP 100, 6 inch barrel
2.1287 fps – S&W Model 15, 4 inch barrel
3.1210 fps – S&W Model 66, 3 inch barrel
4.1202 fps – Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel
5.1149 fps – S&W Model 66, 2.5 inch barrel
6.1119 fps – S&W Model 60, 2 inch barrel
7.1104 fps – S&W Model 340, 2 inch barrel

This load is safe to fire from all 38SPL +P rated and all/any 357 firearms that are in normal operating condition. However, when fired from super light weight alloy J frame revolvers, recoil is stiff. This cartridge is designed so the bullet will not jump crimp when subjected to recoil from firing in super light 12 OZ revolvers, provided you do not subject any cartridge to the recoil of more than six or seven firings
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That’s what I have seen as well. It’s not velocity I am concerned with as much as controllability. Longer barreled guns are easier to aim and shoot accurately. The visceral experience of the long barrel is of more confidence.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
That’s a joke! You have a real mess up there. Are they saying that the Ruger Blackhawk won’t pass a drop test? Hay Einstein, don’t drop it! Do they also have a law requiring it to be pointed in a safe direction while loading and unloading it? Conclusing; gun owner are to stupid to own guns.

My 9mm is for CWC, I CHOOSE not to carry it “HOT”, it’s just safer and I’m am willing to give up 2 seconds to chamber a round.

I did see the caveat in the information you provided:
“…the standards of the law and of the Attorney General, apply only to retail sales by dealers, not to private sales between individuals.”

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I carry the SR9c locked and loaded, safety on. If it’s got a good safety, I will keep it chambered. Looks like we’re both Ruger guys.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
Wow, you got it bad!

In PA, you can walk into a store, throw $500 down on the glass showcase and sayâ?? That oneâ??. In 5min. after you fill out a form, they call in your background check. In 5 more min. you can walk out with a 17 round capacity semi-auto handgun. No safety course, no cool-down period, no references, etc.

PA is a right to carry state; I am not sure about you guys. What the heck do you have to do to carry concealed? We pay a small fee (I think it’s like $25) give them some information, they take your picture and you get a call in 2 weeks to pick up your â??Carry Permitâ??. The carry permit allows you to carry concealed and loaded in a vehicle. Other then a felon, anyone can open carry, the just get you for Disturbing the Peace if someone says anything and you are being an asshole.
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Same with GA, you get a license. You can carry anywhere but government buildings, schools, churches, bars (places that mainly serve alcohol vs. a restaurant that serves alcohol). You can carry pretty much anywhere else.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Same with GA, you get a license. You can carry anywhere but government buildings, schools, churches, bars (places that mainly serve alcohol vs. a restaurant that serves alcohol). You can carry pretty much anywhere else. [/quote]

Why should someone be prohibited from arming themselves in a church? I can understand why the prohibition against carrying in bars but churches? Huh? If someone is likely to be sober anywhere on this earth it’s in church.

FWIW, chances are you can open carry in some if not most of the places you listed above.

(I was in church on Christmas Eve and carried)[/quote]

Beats me. Our prohibitions are few, so I can’t bitch. Doesn’t make sense to me either, but I am not going to kick up a fuss about that.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

“Shall not be infringed” ain’t happening in MA? I daresay what you’ve described is the quintessential example of infringement.

Gee whiz.
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Pretty much. This place is a shit hole in a lot of respects, but firearms is by far one of the most egregious areas. You would think the home of the 'minutemen" would be a bit more proud of their roots in American History…

But alas, Adams has been replaced with Kennedy and their shriveled livers, rich from illegal money…

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

MA sucks man, come up to NH.[/quote]

Working on it. I’m only a mile away as it is. 3.5 years and I’m golden.

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[quote]pat wrote:
Technically, according to them, if somebody breaks into your house you are legally obligated to run away. You have no legal right to defend yourself or your property with a weapon in MA.
Fuck that place.
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This isn’t completely true anymore.

We now have a Castle Doctrine. So you can assume an intruder means you harm and defend you (or your family’s) life with lethal force in your home in MA. However, if it is with an illegal gun, you are still going to prison for a long time.

Outside of your home, you have an obligation to flee, and can only use force if you have no where to run. Which, being outdoors will be hard to prove, in a Home Depot or something, they will still likely charge you. Also your life has to be in clear danger, you can’t shoot an unarmed man stealing your car for example. If he is armed, and you are in the middle of a highway, you can shoot him, otherwise the criminal wins in MA.

So, for example, if you lived in a house next to the shootout that happened with the marathon bombers (according to liberals all the MA background checks should have stopped them from having guns in the first place), leaned out your window and sniped those fuckers with two well placed rounds, you would get charged with murder.

This being MA, they would likely drop it to a lessor charge, but we just love to pamper us some criminals around here. That is why I tell my wife and son that, god forbid, they ever have to, shoot to kill, do not shoot to wound. Not only might it just piss that bad guy off, he can turn around and sue US for breaking into OUR home.

edit: an important can’t in place of a misplaced can

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Shit, the gun may be legal, but if your mag holds more than 10 rounds, and has a date stamp that is post ban (or the gun wasn’t manufactured post ban) you are going to prison.

Hitler could break into your house, amped up on dust, take 10 rounds from your 9mm, rape and murder your wife and kids, and there is jack and shit this state will do to help you, other than say “he had a rough childhood, we should try and understand why he wanted to harm your family like that.”

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Shit, the gun may be legal, but if your mag holds more than 10 rounds, and has a date stamp that is post ban (or the gun wasn’t manufactured post ban) you are going to prison.

Hitler could break into your house, amped up on dust, take 10 rounds from your 9mm, rape and murder your wife and kids, and there is jack and shit this state will do to help you, other than say “he had a rough childhood, we should try and understand why he wanted to harm your family like that.”

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Certainly with enough money, love, understanding and professional help Hitler could be rehabilitated into an upstanding member of society?

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[quote]kineticj wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Shit, the gun may be legal, but if your mag holds more than 10 rounds, and has a date stamp that is post ban (or the gun wasn’t manufactured post ban) you are going to prison.

Hitler could break into your house, amped up on dust, take 10 rounds from your 9mm, rape and murder your wife and kids, and there is jack and shit this state will do to help you, other than say “he had a rough childhood, we should try and understand why he wanted to harm your family like that.”

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Certainly with enough money, love, understanding and professional help Hitler could be rehabilitated into an upstanding member of society?[/quote]

According to MA, probably.

One thing they won’t do however, which blows my fucking mind, is pay for a prisoner’s sex change.

You’re telling me that judge wouldn’t put me in prison for firing the 11th round that saved my wife or daughter? He sure as shit would.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]kineticj wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Shit, the gun may be legal, but if your mag holds more than 10 rounds, and has a date stamp that is post ban (or the gun wasn’t manufactured post ban) you are going to prison.

Hitler could break into your house, amped up on dust, take 10 rounds from your 9mm, rape and murder your wife and kids, and there is jack and shit this state will do to help you, other than say “he had a rough childhood, we should try and understand why he wanted to harm your family like that.”

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Certainly with enough money, love, understanding and professional help Hitler could be rehabilitated into an upstanding member of society?[/quote]

According to MA, probably.

One thing they won’t do however, which blows my fucking mind, is pay for a prisoner’s sex change.

You’re telling me that judge wouldn’t put me in prison for firing the 11th round that saved my wife or daughter? He sure as shit would. [/quote]

He would realdamnquick.