[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Size matters.
Shape, symmetry, leanness, etc. dont mean shit if you have 14 inch arms.[/quote]
and 19 inch arms don’t mean shit if you can’t distinguish your shoulders from your biceps.
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Size matters.
Shape, symmetry, leanness, etc. dont mean shit if you have 14 inch arms.[/quote]
and 19 inch arms don’t mean shit if you can’t distinguish your shoulders from your biceps.[/quote]
I would be willing to bet that someone with the soft 19’s could get to a ripped 18’s well before the guy with ripped 14’s could get to ripped 18’s
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Size matters.
Shape, symmetry, leanness, etc. dont mean shit if you have 14 inch arms.[/quote]
and 19 inch arms don’t mean shit if you can’t distinguish your shoulders from your biceps.[/quote]
i beg to differ. Using earlier examples:
It takes “Mr. Fatty,” 19inch arm guy a few months to get down to a good shape/leanness
It takes “Mr. Skinnbone,” 14inch arm a few years to build substantial thickness on his arm.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Size matters.
Shape, symmetry, leanness, etc. dont mean shit if you have 14 inch arms.[/quote]
and 19 inch arms don’t mean shit if you can’t distinguish your shoulders from your biceps.[/quote]
I would be willing to bet that someone with the soft 19’s could get to a ripped 18’s well before the guy with ripped 14’s could get to ripped 18’s[/quote]
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
i beg to differ. Using earlier examples:
It takes “Mr. Fatty,” 19inch arm guy a few months to get down to a good shape/leanness
It takes “Mr. Skinnbone,” 14inch arm a few years to build substantial thickness on his arm.
[/quote]
Maybe so… It might take the guy with 19’s a shorter time to get to a leaner 18’s than it would for the guy who has a ripped 14.
However i’m comparing the appearance, not the journey. 14 inches skin and bones is as impressive as 19 inches adipose.
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Size matters.
Shape, symmetry, leanness, etc. dont mean shit if you have 14 inch arms.[/quote]
and 19 inch arms don’t mean shit if you can’t distinguish your shoulders from your biceps.[/quote]
I would be willing to bet that someone with the soft 19’s could get to a ripped 18’s well before the guy with ripped 14’s could get to ripped 18’s[/quote]
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
i beg to differ. Using earlier examples:
It takes “Mr. Fatty,” 19inch arm guy a few months to get down to a good shape/leanness
It takes “Mr. Skinnbone,” 14inch arm a few years to build substantial thickness on his arm.
[/quote]
Maybe so… It might take the guy with 19’s a shorter time to get to a leaner 18’s than it would for the guy who has a ripped 14.
However i’m comparing the appearance, not the journey. 14 inches skin and bones is as impressive as 19 inches adipose.[/quote]
Not when talking bodybuilding, which is what we do on this forum. How much of that 19inch do you suppose is adipose when referring to someone looking towards competitions? an inch? Inch and a half? 2?! 17inch arms prepped for a show STILL > 14inch regular arms.
Ya, if you’re walking down the street and a 300lber walks by whose arms measure 20inches and is a solid mass of goop, no thats not impressive at all. But that is diverging the thread, the forum, and the topic AWAY from bodybuilding.
Furthermore, 19inch with a little fat is STILL more impressive to me than 14inch bone dry. 14inch arms bone dry means his arm is smaller than my forearm. That isnt impressive in the slightest.
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
However i’m comparing the appearance, not the journey. 14 inches skin and bones is as impressive as 19 inches adipose.[/quote]
Wow, 14 inch skin and bone arms are clearly more impressive than 19 inch arms…
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
However i’m comparing the appearance, not the journey. 14 inches skin and bones is as impressive as 19 inches adipose.[/quote]
Wow, 14 inch skin and bone arms are clearly more impressive than 19 inch arms…
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I better tell Priest his over 21 inch off season adipose fat arms are just as impressive as a the arms of any 15 year old.
It’s all relative.
What you guys are missing is that size is part of the way an arm looks. But only a part. If you are just going by size, you are missing a big part of the picture.
The point of my post was:
All 20 inch arms are not created equal and that someone with good shape and leaness could have ^an arm 2 inches smaller than someone else but look bigger.
My size increases matter to me, but it’s not something I can compare to someone else because there are too many variables.
Just like my 18s this year are far better than last years version…
So I don’t measure my arms, I just make sure the weights are increasing as often as possible and that I constantly look better.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
However i’m comparing the appearance, not the journey. 14 inches skin and bones is as impressive as 19 inches adipose.[/quote]
Wow, 14 inch skin and bone arms are clearly more impressive than 19 inch arms…
[/quote]
I better tell Priest his over 21 inch off season adipose fat arms are just as impressive as a the arms of any 15 year old.[/quote]
So you take an elite in the sport with some of the most ridiculous arms to make your point?
I wouldn’t consider Lee fat in that pic, u can clearly distinguish his shoulders from his biceps.
Also I question wether that guy in your representation for 14’s are even that big. If he is then i wonder how tall he is. Because when my arms were 14 inches they seemed fuller than that. Also there is a severe lack of triceps development as opposed to Lee whose arms are well rounded.
A physique isn’t complete unless you can acheive both size and definition…could we at least agree on that… Obviously i would take definition over a couple inches and you would probably go the opposite way.
I dont know anyone that takes lifting seriously that gets up to 19-20 inch arms without being able to distinguish their shoulders from their biceps. They will probably have huge shoulders aswell. The only people with 20 inch arms that are indestinguishable from their shoulders are obese people and maybe some powerlifters, but that is not what we are talking about here.
bugeishaAD- I would say 18
cueball- 17.5?
people started throwing numbers out that are on two sides of the spectrum (Big difference in a 14/19inch arm). Numbers dont matter in the slightest to me, i was simply proving a point. Personally, my Arm growth is judged Visually, as others do as well. I can tell that i am a HELL of a lot further along right now than i was last year. Did my arm grow in overall size? No, as a matter of fact im down half an inch, but my arms LOOK a lot better.
AND thats the point. In this area of these boards, the bodybuilding section, you need both.
This is a divergence from the fun topic we had going before and needs to stop though. (sorry FF. Den xero yeti…reh malakas).
Do you take every example someone gives in the literal sense? I’d feel completely sorry for you if that is true. Must be hard to live normally.
14 inch compared to 19, where that even came from I have no idea.
Look at my original post ripped 18-19 inch arms are more impressive than a fatter 20 inch off season arm and they look bigger as well. That’s it.
There are plenty of arms “bigger” than Arnolds in today’s bbing world, not many look better. Jay Cutler has bigger arms than Arnold did, Arnolds look better. That’s my point, size is not everything.
But that’s my opinion and obviously everyone doesn’t always have the same opinion and opinions can’t be wrong so that will be the last of me derailing this thread.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I dont know anyone that takes lifting seriously that gets up to 19-20 inch arms without being able to distinguish their shoulders from their biceps. They will probably have huge shoulders aswell. The only people with 20 inch arms that are indestinguishable from their shoulders are obese people and maybe some powerlifters, but that is not what we are talking about here.
bugeishaAD- I would say 18
cueball- 17.5?[/quote]
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Do you take every example someone gives in the literal sense? I’d feel completely sorry for you if that is true. Must be hard to live normally.
14 inch compared to 19, where that even came from I have no idea.
Look at my original post ripped 18-19 inch arms are more impressive than a fatter 20 inch off season arm and they look bigger as well. That’s it.
There are plenty of arms “bigger” than Arnolds in today’s bbing world, not many look better. Jay Cutler has bigger arms than Arnold did, Arnolds look better. That’s my point, size is not everything. [/quote]
I agree with this. A friend of mine with 17 inch arms has much better and impressive looking arms than my friend with 19 inch arms. The density in his arms makes all the difference. They look like they are sculpted out of rock
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Do you take every example someone gives in the literal sense? I’d feel completely sorry for you if that is true. Must be hard to live normally.
14 inch compared to 19, where that even came from I have no idea.
Look at my original post ripped 18-19 inch arms are more impressive than a fatter 20 inch off season arm and they look bigger as well. That’s it.
There are plenty of arms “bigger” than Arnolds in today’s bbing world, not many look better. Jay Cutler has bigger arms than Arnold did, Arnolds look better. That’s my point, size is not everything. [/quote]
Lol. Living just fine thank you
Ya I agree ripped 18-19 arms are more impressive than 20 inch arms soft. But 18-19 inch arms ARE big respectable arms. Arnold’s arms look batter than Cutlers, and while they may be smaller, he had HUGE arms.
My point is the only people saying they are more concerned about shape and dont measure their arms anymore (You, Stu, Akuma) are people that have already built respectable sized arms already and are pleased with their size. Im not sure someone with 14 inch arms (ya throwing that out there again lol) would get to 18 if theye were happy with their size already and only cared about shape/leanness.
Damn cueball i was way off, on your way to 19’s. You there pumped?
This is an interesting discussion to follow guys, keep going. Just cause people have different opinions doesn’t mean anyone needs to throw their toys and this is great to read!!
I think the area of interest is the person with 15-16’ good looking, well shaped arms, who isn’t really going anywhere for reason (insert reason here).
Now in my gym, while my 17.5’ arms definitely do not stand out here, they are clearly larger than most where I train.
While I know my arms are as not aesthetic as some of those with smaller arms, the fact they are comparable height to me, but I’ve gone past them in the last year (while training at same gym) in overall size, plus lift a substantial amount more on my arm movements, means I am happy where I am at and where I am going (big picture end game) compared to them.
They seem quite happy with their current arm size, and when I chat with them they emphasize how they always superset arms with chest/biceps etc, or simply do high reps to maintain where they are at, improve ‘tone’ etc.
I don’t understand why they want to stay where they’re at, but I think the size difference I am creating will be to my advantage in future.
Sorry if this was bit of a ramble, just seemed appropriate.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Damn cueball i was way off, on your way to 19’s. You there pumped?[/quote]
No, just sitting at work. I might be close to 19 pumped, but I’ve never measured it that way.