for all of you who like to eat but still want a six pack, the simplest answer to this is to eat low insulin releasing carbs. Insulin acts as fat and other storage, while GH is about metabolism (taking away energy from the body sort of) So if you only ate low insulin foods that would mean next to no fat storage and high GH b/c there is a inverse correlation between Insulin % GH. The only time that i see fit to have an insulin spike is postworkout for protein synthesis and all that other stuff.
I’m new to nutrition, so could you please give some examples of low-insulin foods?
Do a search for “glycemic index” and “glycemic load”.
On what iceman187 wrote:
Just remember that fat can store itself just fine through other pathways; it doesn’t need insulin to store it.
It’s still a good idea to avoid high GI foods except PWO but this really isn’t the main reason.
STU
The Carb Roundtable covers this realy well.Examines the topic from several different angles and two different very well informed opinions.
The simplest answer is to count calories.Thermodynamics,baby.It then becomes obvious that quality meats, veggies and fruits are the way to go.It as close to natural while style being in the “safely” prepared category.Processed grains suck.Eat them in their natural state and they are remarkably dense and filling.It is like the orange vs orange juice argument.5 oranges=1 tiny glass of juice.Eat the oranges…
[quote]iceman187 wrote:
www.mendosa.com/insulin_index.htm[/quote]
And this means what? Obviously we would prefer to know the II rather than the GI, Berardi has covered that, but at current it’s not practical.
My point simply revolved around the assumption that insulin is the only way to store fat and it’s not. Fat can store itself through other mechanisms.
STU
about the oranges
it really depends
we have a variety here in mexico called veracruz orange…and you get a lot of juice out of them
with mi citrus extractor you can get 20oz of juice with about 4 sometimes 5 oranges…
whit regular ones its at least twice that
but I agree about eating the orange instead 
santiago
Another thing to remember is that carbs are also not the only thing that causes an insulin reaction. A protein only meal/feeding can even cause some insulin to be present.
But yes, for sure only spike it PWO and aim for low GI/II the rest of the time.
the point that i was trying to make is that when you eat, if theres carbs the insulin goes up, and usually people eat more than one thing at a time, so waht i was saying is to pay attention to the insulin, because when insulin is high GH is low. so if your insulin is always spiked thats one of the reasons that you don’t shed any fat. quit trying to be disagreable sturat.
Who’s trying to be disagreeable? You made it sound like spiking insulin while ingesting fat was the only way to store fat, then you posted an article that had nothing to do with the conversation. . .
I agree that low GI carbs are good and that you really only want to spike insulin significantly PWO with a shake then for the next hour or so it’s good to take in carbs due to optimal nutrient partitioning.
I just wanted to point out that your inference of fat storage as being insulin dependant was wrong.
STU
Iceman that is incorrect, you can eat low ii and gi food all day long and still put on fat and I could eat protein powder, fish oil, and Snickers and lose fat.
Calorie balance matters most.
Before you argue, satiety is an issue and low ii foods tend to have high amounts of undigestable calories, so you can consume alot more carbs than I can eat Snickers, to maintain a negative calorie balance.
[quote]iceman187 wrote:
for all of you who like to eat but still want a six pack, the simplest answer to this is to eat low insulin releasing carbs. Insulin acts as fat and other storage, while GH is about metabolism (taking away energy from the body sort of) So if you only ate low insulin foods that would mean next to no fat storage and high GH b/c there is a inverse correlation between Insulin % GH. The only time that i see fit to have an insulin spike is postworkout for protein synthesis and all that other stuff.[/quote]
You’re a newbie aren’t you? There is no single answer to the question…it’s a myriad of factors.