GSP vs Shields Time To Choose!

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Why has nobody brought up the fact that GSP’s eye was injured very early in the fight by a finger from shields?

That right there is hugely detrimental to performance and explains why Shields was able to land any punches at all really.[/quote]

I look at a guy like Hominick and what he went through in his fight, and the caliber of striker he was up against. And then i look at GSP and what he dealt with in his fight, and the caliber of striker he was up against.

The eye injury doesnt excuse another snoozefest, especially when its a kickboxing match starring jake shields. [/quote]

I don’t mean to sound abrasive, even If I will come off this way, but do you compete?

Have you ever had an eye injury like a corneal erosion?

Until you have, you are in no place to say that it doesn’t excuse a lackluster performance. The pain of such an injury is bad enough and being reduced to 50% vision and no depth of field will put the brakes on anyone’s striking game.

Infact looking at the video now (BTW anyone looking for the video, its on youtube, the one they showed in the UFC replays is NOT the actual eye injury video) Shield throws a completely open hand of fingers, I don’t want to go as far as saying he’s blatantly cheating, but it’s not much a stretch to think so. Guys will do a lot to win at that level.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Why has nobody brought up the fact that GSP’s eye was injured very early in the fight by a finger from shields?

That right there is hugely detrimental to performance and explains why Shields was able to land any punches at all really.[/quote]

yeah, we all kinda already brought it up…

i agree that it affected him later in the fight (it happened later in Rd 2), but he was tentative from the begining of round 1. something was up…either he was really, really worried, or he had some health issue that he chose not to disclose. he obviosuly still won, but “i was not impressed with his performance.”

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Why has nobody brought up the fact that GSP’s eye was injured very early in the fight by a finger from shields?

That right there is hugely detrimental to performance and explains why Shields was able to land any punches at all really.[/quote]

I look at a guy like Hominick and what he went through in his fight, and the caliber of striker he was up against. And then i look at GSP and what he dealt with in his fight, and the caliber of striker he was up against.

The eye injury doesnt excuse another snoozefest, especially when its a kickboxing match starring jake shields. [/quote]

audiogarden1,

I am not saying this to pile on, but an eye injury bad enough to blind a fighter is very serious. GSP has said he could not see out of the eye during the fight or when he was discharged from the hospital. Peripheral vision and depth perception obviously take a hit, but the pain is usually significant (and is made worse by blinking, pressure, or trying to track movement with the good eye) and the other eye often waters enough so vision is sketchy at best. A ton of fighters get KO’d trying to fight after being poked in the eye.

Before the injury I would have liked to see GSP try to do more damage. I think a few more right hands and leg kicks were in order. I commented earlier in the thread that I felt Shields was/is so dangerous that GSP should try to damage him early so that any mistakes/issues later in the fight would be less costly. After the poke I have nothing but respect for his performance. The ref missed it so he could not do the smart thing and stop, forcing either a no contest/title retention or going to the score cards for a decision win. He had to fight on. He did so in a way that got a win under very adverse circumstances.

Regards,

Robert A

EDIT: If you have never had to fight/spar after an eye poke there is no shame in it. To give you an idea of the hell, get some eye glasses/clear safety glasses/goggles and some vaseline or other clear petrolium compound (neosporin would work). Smear the outside of the left lens good and thick, touch the right lens once with one of your greasy fingers. Put the glasses on. Wash your hands and walk around/do stuff for a few minutes. After you have done that imagine someone who can give you trouble under the best of circumstances (almost as strong/tough/skilled) is in front of you and intends you harm.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Why has nobody brought up the fact that GSP’s eye was injured very early in the fight by a finger from shields?

That right there is hugely detrimental to performance and explains why Shields was able to land any punches at all really.[/quote]

I look at a guy like Hominick and what he went through in his fight, and the caliber of striker he was up against. And then i look at GSP and what he dealt with in his fight, and the caliber of striker he was up against.

The eye injury doesnt excuse another snoozefest, especially when its a kickboxing match starring jake shields. [/quote]

audiogarden1,

I am not saying this to pile on, but an eye injury bad enough to blind a fighter is very serious. GSP has said he could not see out of the eye during the fight or when he was discharged from the hospital. Peripheral vision and depth perception obviously take a hit, but the pain is usually significant (and is made worse by blinking, pressure, or trying to track movement with the good eye) and the other eye often waters enough so vision is sketchy at best. A ton of fighters get KO’d trying to fight after being poked in the eye.

Before the injury I would have liked to see GSP try to do more damage. I think a few more right hands and leg kicks were in order. I commented earlier in the thread that I felt Shields was/is so dangerous that GSP should try to damage him early so that any mistakes/issues later in the fight would be less costly. After the poke I have nothing but respect for his performance. The ref missed it so he could not do the smart thing and stop, forcing either a no contest/title retention or going to the score cards for a decision win. He had to fight on. He did so in a way that got a win under very adverse circumstances.

Regards,

Robert A

EDIT: If you have never had to fight/spar after an eye poke there is no shame in it. To give you an idea of the hell, get some eye glasses/clear safety glasses/goggles and some vaseline or other clear petrolium compound (neosporin would work). Smear the outside of the left lens good and thick, touch the right lens once with one of your greasy fingers. Put the glasses on. Wash your hands and walk around/do stuff for a few minutes. After you have done that imagine someone who can give you trouble under the best of circumstances (almost as strong/tough/skilled) is in front of you and intends you harm.[/quote]

that’s what a call a tutorial

Out there Rich Franklin is crying, he got fingered by Hendo too.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Why has nobody brought up the fact that GSP’s eye was injured very early in the fight by a finger from shields?

That right there is hugely detrimental to performance and explains why Shields was able to land any punches at all really.[/quote]

I look at a guy like Hominick and what he went through in his fight, and the caliber of striker he was up against. And then i look at GSP and what he dealt with in his fight, and the caliber of striker he was up against.

The eye injury doesnt excuse another snoozefest, especially when its a kickboxing match starring jake shields. [/quote]

I don’t mean to sound abrasive, even If I will come off this way, but do you compete?

Have you ever had an eye injury like a corneal erosion?

Until you have, you are in no place to say that it doesn’t excuse a lackluster performance. The pain of such an injury is bad enough and being reduced to 50% vision and no depth of field will put the brakes on anyone’s striking game.

Infact looking at the video now (BTW anyone looking for the video, its on youtube, the one they showed in the UFC replays is NOT the actual eye injury video) Shield throws a completely open hand of fingers, I don’t want to go as far as saying he’s blatantly cheating, but it’s not much a stretch to think so. Guys will do a lot to win at that level.[/quote]

Trained 6 years of jiu jitsu and 3 years of standup, stopped about a year ago when i got really serious about lifting. No i have not competed, so i base most of what i say off of my own training, the guys i know who have competed, and my dad who still teaches at the school that i trained at.

I have been poked in the eye before training, it sucks, but ive never been poked hard enough to warrant going to the hospital.

Here’s how i look at it; If GSP had been completely smashing Shields the first two rounds and then all the sudden something clicked and he fought differently for the last 3, then i’d give more credence in the fact that he only fought like that because of the eye injury. However, he did little in the first two rounds to make me believe he wasnt going to fight like that anyway.

I do not think he would lie about the severity of the eye injury, and i have seen the video. IMO he would not have finished that fight either way.

I mean, he says he wants to finish and he hears the critics and everything, and then he goes out there and couldnt more clearly be trying to fight for points. The takedown with 10 seconds left in the round, taking shields down and immediately letting him back up. I respect him as an athlete but as a fighter, i am losing respect, regardless what he had to overcome in his last fight.

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[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Why has nobody brought up the fact that GSP’s eye was injured very early in the fight by a finger from shields?

That right there is hugely detrimental to performance and explains why Shields was able to land any punches at all really.[/quote]

x2 I completely missed that.

The video is up and about on youtube (original taken down though).

Looked like blatant cheating to me honestly. Jake basically threw out a fistful of fingers, lol.

I guess you got to give it to Georges. Not many people would have done as well after that.

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This was my point in an earlier post. Why people can’t understand this is beyond me. I have to attribute it to ignorance.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Why has nobody brought up the fact that GSP’s eye was injured very early in the fight by a finger from shields?

That right there is hugely detrimental to performance and explains why Shields was able to land any punches at all really.[/quote]

x2 I completely missed that.

The video is up and about on youtube (original taken down though).

Looked like blatant cheating to me honestly. Jake basically threw out a fistful of fingers, lol.

I guess you got to give it to Georges. Not many people would have done as well after that.

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This was my point in an earlier post. Why people can’t understand this is beyond me. I have to attribute it to ignorance.[/quote]
i think it’s because the replay crew missed it

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I laughed hard when GSP told on the countdown that he is a martial artist and likes to challenge his opponents on where they are stronger.

Yeah, i must’ve forgot Shields multiple K-1 titles.

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btw Diaz is gonna frustrate GSP standup.

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
btw Diaz is gonna frustrate GSP standup.[/quote]

If they ever meet Diaz will get destroyed.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
btw Diaz is gonna frustrate GSP standup.[/quote]

If they ever meet Diaz will get destroyed.[/quote]
Don’t think so

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If GSP is suffering the kind of eye injury I think he is suffering, it will take about 3-6 months of non-contact and lubrication to heal properly.

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
I laughed hard when GSP told on the countdown that he is a martial artist and likes to challenge his opponents on where they are stronger.

Yeah, i must’ve forgot Shields multiple K-1 titles.[/quote]

Now that you mention it, that is pretty funny.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
If GSP is suffering the kind of eye injury I think he is suffering, it will take about 3-6 months of non-contact and lubrication to heal properly. [/quote]

Well he was only handed down a 60 day medical suspension if i recall correctly, so hopefully his next fight wont be delayed by this.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
btw Diaz is gonna frustrate GSP standup.[/quote]

If they ever meet Diaz will get destroyed.[/quote]
Don’t think so[/quote]

I would have said Diaz would get destroyed a year ago, now im not so sure.

FTR i absolutely hate Diaz, i cant stand him at all, and i think he gets way too much credit for his standup. On a technical level, i think he is terrible in that department.

However, after watching GSP’s last few fights, i would bet on a surprise 5 round decision win.

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Diaz hasn’t fought a dude that wouldn’t engage him on the fight in some time. Georges will keep his distance and frustrate him. Like audiogard said, 5 round decision comprised of the occasional takedown, lot’s of running, ‘safe’ striking with range techniques like the leg kick and superman punch, and lot’s of visible shittalk from Nick who will bitch about it for years to come.

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I think a lot of people are misinformed as to GSP’s skill set and also his record. He’s stopped about 60% of everyone that he’s fought. That means that most people who step in the octagon with GSP do not last the full fight. They either get submitted or stopped with strikes. He’s stopped guys like Hughes twice and in Hughes prime, and also beaten Penn twice stopping him once.

True his past 4 title defenses he has gone the distance, but if you look at each fight individually there are significant reasons why they each went the distance. For example, he overwhelmed Dan Hardy and had him in trouble 3 times I think, but couldn’t close the deal. Was he trying? Obviously, but Hardy is a tough customer and held out.

He jabbed Koscheck until he broke his eye socket. Could the ref had stopped that fight before it was over? Some might possibly have, but I think it was a good call, again GSP was dominant. I can’t really ad too much to what I’ve already posted about the Shields fight. It’s difficult to be too hard on GSP after round two because of the dramatic eye injury. But I do know that he had no trouble winning the first two rounds. I think that had he not incurred the eye injury he would have been far more aggressive in the final three rounds. If you think about it, it’s amazing that a one eyed fighter could pull off a victory with three rounds to go.
The real question that should be asked is why wasn’t Shields more aggressive in taking the fight to the ground where he would have had the best chance of winning? Again, even with an eye injury (which could have stopped the fight cold) GSP wins 4 of 5 rounds. Hats off to him for keeping his composure under that kind of pressure.

The reason that I think he would have either stopped or dominated Shields more completely is that GSP usually picks up steam as a fight continues. And this is based on his strategy and stamina.

Anyone questioning whether we would beat a top 10 fighter like Diaz better think again. And I take nothing away from Diaz. I enjoy watching his fights and believe that he has great amount of talent and the heart to back it up. However, GSP holds a 22-2 record having finished 13 of those opponents before the final bell and is someone deserving great respect. He’s also avenged both losses. There is no one at welterweight who can beat this man.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think a lot of people are misinformed as to GSP’s skill set and also his record. He’s stopped about 60% of everyone that he’s fought. That means that most people who step in the octagon with GSP do not last the full fight. They either get submitted or stopped with strikes. He’s stopped guys like Hughes twice and in Hughes prime, and also beaten Penn twice stopping him once.

True his past 4 title defenses he has gone the distance, but if you look at each fight individually there are significant reasons why they each went the distance. For example, he overwhelmed Dan Hardy and had him in trouble 3 times I think, but couldn’t close the deal. Was he trying? Obviously, but Hardy is a tough customer and held out.

He jabbed Koscheck until he broke his eye socket. Could the ref had stopped that fight before it was over? Some might possibly have, but I think it was a good call, again GSP was dominant. I can’t really ad too much to what I’ve already posted about the Shields fight. It’s difficult to be too hard on GSP after round two because of the dramatic eye injury. But I do know that he had no trouble winning the first two rounds. I think that had he not incurred the eye injury he would have been far more aggressive in the final three rounds. If you think about it, it’s amazing that a one eyed fighter could pull off a victory with three rounds to go.
The real question that should be asked is why wasn’t Shields more aggressive in taking the fight to the ground where he would have had the best chance of winning? Again, even with an eye injury (which could have stopped the fight cold) GSP wins 4 of 5 rounds. Hats off to him for keeping his composure under that kind of pressure.

The reason that I think he would have either stopped or dominated Shields more completely is that GSP usually picks up steam as a fight continues. And this is based on his strategy and stamina.

Anyone questioning whether we would beat a top 10 fighter like Diaz better think again. And I take nothing away from Diaz. I enjoy watching his fights and believe that he has great amount of talent and the heart to back it up. However, GSP holds a 22-2 record having finished 13 of those opponents before the final bell and is someone deserving great respect. He’s also avenged both losses. There is no one at welterweight who can beat this man.

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Nobody cares you asshat. 3 finishes as a champ 2 to hughes one to serra. And Penn’s corner threw in the towel he didn’t finish Penn. There are 9 read it 9 finishes by the Spider 9 not 3 9.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

Nobody cares you asshat. 3 finishes as a champ 2 to hughes one to serra. And Penn’s corner threw in the towel he didn’t finish Penn. There are 9 read it 9 finishes by the Spider 9 not 3 9.[/quote]

Are you the guy everyone is adding on their ignore list?

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

Nobody cares you asshat. 3 finishes as a champ 2 to hughes one to serra. And Penn’s corner threw in the towel he didn’t finish Penn. There are 9 read it 9 finishes by the Spider 9 not 3 9.[/quote]

Are you the guy everyone is adding on their ignore list?[/quote]
only randman, some black dude, cyco bushmaster and zeb, the collection of retards on here