I was going to give Diaz a pat on the back for showing a tiny degree of sportsmanship straight after the fight. But learning about the brahooha over GSP’s handwraps, hearing him call GSP out AGAIN for a rematch and his whiny excuses make me realise that Diaz squanders his talent and suffers a severe persecution complex. Honestly, if I where Jake Shields and the rest of his crew, I’d be out of there. He fell just a fraction short of saying they aren’t good enough for him. NO… no, he actually said he deserves better than the team he trained with. Whatever. He’s as washed out as you can get with talent like he has.
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
The Condit vs Hendricks fight was awesome, I had Condit winning…Hendricks didn’t do anything with his takedowns other than he get hit while on top…I thought the standup was fairly even, Hendricks probably connected with the hardest strikes but Carlos landed some good ones too.[/quote]
I disagree.
Hendricks was working the whole time while on top, and landing. While Carlos was doing well from the bottom, this was by no means Deigo vs. Guida.
TBH I like condit but he needs to take a page out of GSP’s book and reduce his game down to the techniques that will work for him every time.
By which I mean there are several instances where he chose to counter a loading up hendricks with a flashy technique that was of questionable effectiveness and probably would’ve just been better sticking with some vanilla that landed with authority.
“When is MMA going to get a James Toney type character, I’m sick of Diaz’s whiny ass. “bad boy” yeah fucking right”.
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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
The Condit vs Hendricks fight was awesome, I had Condit winning…Hendricks didn’t do anything with his takedowns other than he get hit while on top…I thought the standup was fairly even, Hendricks probably connected with the hardest strikes but Carlos landed some good ones too.[/quote]
Agreed, awesome fight. I originally had Condit winning as well, but understand why two judges gave it to Hendricks, and honestly I’m glad they did from a title contention standpoint. [/quote]
Agreed, great fight. Condit always brings it, always strives to finish his opponent.
Diaz: alligator mouth backed up with a hummingbird ass.
Man I love MMA but I sometimes think these fights are “rigged” or preplanned in some way. Either that or guys are doing just enough damage to keep it going for a decision. Especially GSP. I wanted him to win against Diaz because I think really I could beat Diaz on my good day… I dunno. I also don’t know who started the thing about his boxing being the best in MMA…WTF looks like shit.
The facebook fights and almost the whole undercard really sucked. Guys were not trying to fight, had their hands down, using stupid little kicks. GSP Diaz I still cant figure out whay Diaz was crawling away and why GSP decided to just hold him and follow? Also can’t figure out the whole clinch/dirty boxing thing that took place in the middle of the ring. Just seemed stupid and honestly the first round Diaz did not even fight.
I totally like Bellator more than the UFC and it comes on every week for free. I watched some awesome Muay Thai on Friday night on AXS tv. You could hear the knees landing and the guys grunting when it landed. Im getting burnt on the UFC.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Man I love MMA but I sometimes think these fights are “rigged” or preplanned in some way. Either that or guys are doing just enough damage to keep it going for a decision. Especially GSP. I wanted him to win against Diaz because I think really I could beat Diaz on my good day… I dunno. I also don’t know who started the thing about his boxing being the best in MMA…WTF looks like shit.
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Yeah, I never really bought into the Diaz brothers’ boxing being anything special. They just aren’t afraid to stand in the pocket due to having great chins and throw tons of punches/overwhelm their opponents with the volume of punches they throw. Someone like GSP who actually understands how to effectively control range and close and clear distance is going to expose them (as he did).
I don’t know though, I mean, Nick has beat some of the best fighters in the world and has only ever been finished twice in his professional career. The guy is definitely not a chump. GSP just makes most other fighters look like amateurs because he is such a superior athlete, has fantastic timing, and is constantly striving to perfect all aspects of his MMA game.
Really? You thought the Cote fight sucked? I thought that one was pretty exciting at least.
Diaz was crawling away because GSP had pretty much nullified all of the little tricks and reversals that Nick was attempting and getting to the wall to get back to his feet was pretty much the only way he wasn’t going to get continually pounded on for 5 straight rounds.
I’m with you on the clinch stuff; couldn’t really figure out why GSP chose to do that. Maybe he was tired and wanted to rest, maybe he just wanted to prove to Nick that he could beat him wherever the fight went, maybe he felt like he could hurt Nick with knees to the body and possible TKO him. Only GSP and his camp know for sure.
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I totally like Bellator more than the UFC and it comes on every week for free. I watched some awesome Muay Thai on Friday night on AXS tv. You could hear the knees landing and the guys grunting when it landed. Im getting burnt on the UFC.[/quote]
Bellator has some great fighters and exciting fights no doubt.
completely agree with you sento. On a marginally related note, Bellator is kicking ass. My former client and friend (and all around class clown) David Rickels is in the finals and i think our place may have at least one more offering for Bellator next season…don’t want to say anything because it’s not 100%…yet. :))
I absolutely love the fight cards theyve had too, good finishes, good brawls, good all around. The ed west KO was easily one of my favorites in recent months…sooo quick, and interesting hi/lo combo choices.
And on another note–if i remember correctly…diaz 23-3 small time, 7-6 on the big stage. He might not be a chump, but he’s a helluva lot less than champion caliber. Definitely not enougj to justify a mouth that big.
Cool that you know Rickels and that another fighter you know might be in Bellator in the near future.
Yeah, totally agree with you about Diaz’s mouth vs his actual talent/effectiveness. I’m by no means saying that his pompous attitude or trash talking are justified. Just that totally discounting Diaz’s fighting skills because he got beat decisively by GSP isn’t really a fair shake IMO.
The Gracie’s have an observation on GSP
Link doesnt work for me…anybody have a quick point summary of what the gracies said?
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
completely agree with you sento. On a marginally related note, Bellator is kicking ass. My former client and friend (and all around class clown) David Rickels is in the finals and i think our place may have at least one more offering for Bellator next season…don’t want to say anything because it’s not 100%…yet. :))
I absolutely love the fight cards theyve had too, good finishes, good brawls, good all around. The ed west KO was easily one of my favorites in recent months…sooo quick, and interesting hi/lo combo choices.
And on another note–if i remember correctly…diaz 23-3 small time, 7-6 on the big stage. He might not be a chump, but he’s a helluva lot less than champion caliber. Definitely not enougj to justify a mouth that big.[/quote]
cool that you know Rickels, he is a great fighter. I now a guy in Bellator as well he is from Memphis but is not in the tournament at the moment due to his loss last fight.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
I also don’t know who started the thing about his boxing being the best in MMA…WTF looks like shit.
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I have to agree with you. When I watch Diaz box I can’t help but think that his strikes are slow and his defence is shit. And his skill level seems directly related to his degree of fatigue. By the four round, GSP was hitting him at will. Diaz was getting hit and stumbling, his own strikes where getting shut down, his footwork was shitty. He was as tired as GSP, but GSP wasn’t losing form. Instead GSP was adapting his style to compensate for his lost energy. (that may explain the punch trading towards the end). Diaz was not adapting anything. He stuck to his “superior boxing” and flopped.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Link doesnt work for me…anybody have a quick point summary of what the gracies said?[/quote]
Man, I am really beginning to enjoy these brothers. Their analytics are spot on. They show a great intelligence and respect for the game.
Basically the gist of what they got to is GSP has neither submitted or been submitted in a very long time and that this is related to his emotionless state when fighting and his ultimate respect for the game and fight conditions. He fights in two distances, either all the way in or all the way out, never in a medium position. He never allows Nick or any fighter to put him in a position where he is transitioning from being all the way in some ones guard to pulling out. His escape if they try to put him in that position is so quick and explosive no one can get him in the middle position to put a choke, a leg in or apply any technique. He doesn’t commit to taking the back or going for a submission because he realises his rounds are never lost to any fighter because he always has dominant position and by going for a submission he might expose himself to losing his dominant position.
He is always either all the way in or all the way both on the ground and on the floor. Even in stand up, he doesn’t go for the kill because it can expose him to being killed.
Well hopefully someone will rise up and beat his ass because they they are more motivated to win than GSP is in ‘not losing’
I say this as someone who has always thought highly of him for his gentlemanly demeanor and obvious great skills and work ethic.
Doubt it. Hendricks is going to get schooled, mauled and sent back to strikeforce. lol
Ellenberger might be an interesting fight.
I even think he will beat Silva now.
[quote]humble wrote:
Doubt it. Hendricks is going to get schooled, mauled and sent back to strikeforce. lol
Ellenberger might be an interesting fight.
I even think he will beat Silva now.[/quote]
I agree. Don Henderson was right to say that Silva is manipulating the competition to get fights he can win. He’s a genius sure, but he was shown up by the physicality Chael Sonnen brought and GSP will only bring a more intelligent physicality. Honestly, I like GSP’s attitude: “Jake Shields is the most exciting challenger? okay… STUFF! Nick calls me out? Okay… STUFF! Hendricks is 2 time NCAA and All American?.. STUFF!” That’s my projection at least. It’s his brain. He’s the Sun Tzu of MMA right now.
I don’t get how people can say GSP is boring. He is amazing to watch and so dominant. His performance against Hardy and Diaz are two of my favorite fights ever.
Saying GSP is boring, to me at least, seems like when casual fans of football used to call AC milan boring for dominating teams and winning 1-0.
Perfection should not have wild trades and scrambles. People IMO should look at his opponents and realise they have hardly ever been stopped. It is not like GSP can’t or does not want to finish.
[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
[quote]humble wrote:
Doubt it. Hendricks is going to get schooled, mauled and sent back to strikeforce. lol
Ellenberger might be an interesting fight.
I even think he will beat Silva now.[/quote]
I agree. Don Henderson was right to say that Silva is manipulating the competition to get fights he can win. He’s a genius sure, but he was shown up by the physicality Chael Sonnen brought and GSP will only bring a more intelligent physicality. Honestly, I like GSP’s attitude: “Jake Shields is the most exciting challenger? okay… STUFF! Nick calls me out? Okay… STUFF! Hendricks is 2 time NCAA and All American?.. STUFF!” That’s my projection at least. It’s his brain. He’s the Sun Tzu of MMA right now.[/quote]
I tend to agree with you in regards to what the outcome will be against Hendricks. Sure, Hendricks is a very good wrestler. Sure, if he connects flush with his straight left he can put people to sleep. But GSP is such a well rounded fighter, so athletic, has such phenomenal timing, and above all is a highly intelligent fighter that I don’t see Hendricks winning unless he lands a lucky punch.
That said, of all the contenders at WW, I’d say Hendricks has one of the best shots of upsetting GSP, simply due to the stylistic match-up. Would enjoy seeing Ellenberger or Lawler too (both are dynamic athletes who have fast, heavy hands and good wrestling).
Whooaa now Lawler vs GSP would be intense!!!
Pigeon, Nick lost even more respect with those comments… seriously fried brain