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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Ok so if an athlete is allowed to cheat, how is it considered cheating??
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Ahh, this is where we get into the whole ‘level playing field’ argument, because it’s so prevailant whether we acknowledge it or not.

Let’s face it though, with the potential rewards a top level professional athlete can reap, it’s not surprising that so many will do whatever they can to be the best. If PEDs were completely legal, is it safe to say that the vast majority (if not all) professional athletes would be ‘on’,and additionally, that it wouldn’t even be viewed as an issue in need of discussion?

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Agreed, speaking of professional athletes it amazes me how ignorance frames the general publics opinion. PEDs or whatever the fuck you call it is always demonized. In baseball for instance people will gloss over the fact that greenies or amphetamines were used for decades and not covered up, it could be said that the use of these amphetamines had a more performance enhancing effect immediately than the roidzzz.
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Anyone remember the pitcher from the 70’s who admitted to being coked out of his gord while pitching during the World Series? It’s funny, 'cause the general public (who are all morons) bitch that PED’s are cheating, but these same people would tune out if there wasn’t 500 foot homers or Ray Lewis hitting some dude so hard his helmet cracked. The average person wants to see the “super human” feats but is completely unwilling to accept what’s needed to produce that result.
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Was it Ferguson Jenkins or John blue moon Odom? I know Dennis oil can Boyd was a complete coke head but that was the 80s

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Shit, coulda been all of 'em. Honestly don’t remember his name, just what he admitted to and how open he was about it after the fact.

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The pitcher was Vida Blue of the Oakland A’s and he was on LSD

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LOL! Ive never done LSD but I can’t imagine that would make pitching any easier.

As for pro sports, I wouldn’t be surprised if more than half the players are on GH or some kind of performance enhancer. but if sorts just allowed it what a shit storm that would create

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The 30 on 30 of Chris Herren, the old Celtics player, said he’d shoot up or something right before games and drop like 30 being out of his mind ripped. All my friends find that crazy, but believable. I tell them that the combination of size, leanness, speed and power that most NFL players have is probably not 100% natural. and they act like I’m saying something sacrilegious.

Ok, so you think a pro athlete would do illegal drugs that could impede their ability to perform, but NEVER would they use the one’s that would make them better? lolololololol

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[quote]rookie17 wrote:
The pitcher was Vida Blue of the Oakland A’s and he was on LSD[/quote]

Not who I was thinking of, but have read that, and it’s awesome.

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[quote]rookie17 wrote:
The pitcher was Vida Blue of the Oakland A’s and he was on LSD[/quote]

That was Dock Ellis pitching for the Pirates, but close enough.

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
The 30 on 30 of Chris Herren, the old Celtics player, said he’d shoot up or something right before games and drop like 30 being out of his mind ripped. All my friends find that crazy, but believable. I tell them that the combination of size, leanness, speed and power that most NFL players have is probably not 100% natural. and they act like I’m saying something sacrilegious.

Ok, so you think a pro athlete would do illegal drugs that could impede their ability to perform, but NEVER would they use the one’s that would make them better? lolololololol[/quote]
People just don’t want to have their bubble burst.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
The 30 on 30 of Chris Herren, the old Celtics player, said he’d shoot up or something right before games and drop like 30 being out of his mind ripped. All my friends find that crazy, but believable. I tell them that the combination of size, leanness, speed and power that most NFL players have is probably not 100% natural. and they act like I’m saying something sacrilegious.

Ok, so you think a pro athlete would do illegal drugs that could impede their ability to perform, but NEVER would they use the one’s that would make them better? lolololololol[/quote]
People just don’t want to have their bubble burst.

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this

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He was a big dude!

Big dudes don’t live that long cause his heart had to pump blood to all that mass

Or maybe it was also Anabolic Steroids, HGH, Insulin, Implants, Synthol and Diuretics

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
The 30 on 30 of Chris Herren, the old Celtics player, said he’d shoot up or something right before games and drop like 30 being out of his mind ripped. All my friends find that crazy, but believable. I tell them that the combination of size, leanness, speed and power that most NFL players have is probably not 100% natural. and they act like I’m saying something sacrilegious.

Ok, so you think a pro athlete would do illegal drugs that could impede their ability to perform, but NEVER would they use the one’s that would make them better? lolololololol[/quote]
People just don’t want to have their bubble burst.

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I think this is totally true.

The only thing I would point to as a counterexample to my belief regarding PEDs in the nfl is the Combine’s bench press competition. This is probably totally silly of me to think, but I’m 5’10", 200lbs and can do 225 for 25 or so (26 is my best), which is fairly comparable to a lot of the o-linemen and such that compete in the event. I understand that a lot of people do a lot more than that at the combine, but with PEDs and considering that it’s an event they prepare for, I’d have just imagined that way more would be doing 30+.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:
Thanks for being honest about this.
Have you ever had levels checked while on TRT dosages? How does 200mg weekly impact levels? Was wondering if that kind of dose would just put you at the very top end of normal range. But I could be way off with that guess.
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Obviously everyone responds differently but 200mg a week is the higher end of TRT dosing. Standard dosing starts at 100mg a week. It all depends on how your body responds.[/quote]

Just to clarify, I’m not sure this is true: I’m (unfortuantely) on TRT due to a faulty pituitary gland. I take 100mg a week of Test C. He said he was taking Test E, and I’m not sure what the dosages are for that (in fact, I’m not even sure why someone would be using Test E for TRT instead of Test C–not expert in that area).

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[quote]DoingWork421 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:
Thanks for being honest about this.
Have you ever had levels checked while on TRT dosages? How does 200mg weekly impact levels? Was wondering if that kind of dose would just put you at the very top end of normal range. But I could be way off with that guess.
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Obviously everyone responds differently but 200mg a week is the higher end of TRT dosing. Standard dosing starts at 100mg a week. It all depends on how your body responds.[/quote]

Just to clarify, I’m not sure this is true: I’m (unfortuantely) on TRT due to a faulty pituitary gland. I take 100mg a week of Test C. He said he was taking Test E, and I’m not sure what the dosages are for that (in fact, I’m not even sure why someone would be using Test E for TRT instead of Test C–not expert in that area).[/quote]

They are both oil based and longer lasting esters. Shouldn’t be much of a difference if any.

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I think there’s only 4-5 labs that produce legal injectable TRT, I’m on Delatestryl, it’s test E, I don’t think there’s much if any differance, C lasts a little longer I’ve heard, but I shoot every week, so it makes no differance. For muscle building I actually respond best to test prop, when I’ve run test to grow in the past, but it gets expensive, and you have to shoot almost every day, so it wasn’t somthing I was going to mention to my Dr. Not running TRT to get bigger at this point anyway.

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How about Anabolic Steroids LOL

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[quote]gregron wrote:
People just don’t want to have their bubble burst.
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True, and I also believe that we shouldn’t do anything to burst their bubble.

This may or may not be completely relevant, but I rode bulls for 13 years on the pro circuit. Granted, bullriding doesn’t require the level of athleticism and physical conditioning that’s required by mainstream sports, but it still takes some mental and physical fortitude to compete, especially long term, and bullriders take their sport very seriously.

I never heard much about PED/steroid use for rodeo athletes, and that’s mainly because they aren’t beneficial; actually, it would be disadvantageous for a roughstock rider to use them because an increase in size and weight would exponentially increase the difficulty of countering the forces produced by a bull or bronc. The strength gains would be helpful though, especially to help prevent injury.

However, while there is little to no use of steroids, other recreational drugs are prevalent. I hate to reveal a dark corner in a sport that I love, but it’s true. Although the number of clean athletes far outnumber the drug users, the druggies are still there and some of them are very popular and successful.

The point of this as related to what I quoted: the fans of the sport and of the individual athletes likely do not know about the drugs, and they do not need to know. They need to keep believing that their favorite bullrider is an All-American Cowboy who loves Ford/Chevy, country music, and hunting and apple pie, and says “yes ma’am” to all women. They do not need to know that he snorts cocaine, fucks a different girl every night, cusses liberally, hates pie and is an asshole. That would be horrible for marketing both the sport and the individual. Similarly, the fans of other sports do not need to know their favorite running back or power forward is on whatever concoction of PEDs that he’s on.

Let the public be ignorant; it’s for their own good and for the good of professional sports as a whole.

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[quote]elliottcorum wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
People just don’t want to have their bubble burst.
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True, and I also believe that we shouldn’t do anything to burst their bubble.

This may or may not be completely relevant, but I rode bulls for 13 years on the pro circuit. Granted, bullriding doesn’t require the level of athleticism and physical conditioning that’s required by mainstream sports, but it still takes some mental and physical fortitude to compete, especially long term, and bullriders take their sport very seriously.

I never heard much about PED/steroid use for rodeo athletes, and that’s mainly because they aren’t beneficial; actually, it would be disadvantageous for a roughstock rider to use them because an increase in size and weight would exponentially increase the difficulty of countering the forces produced by a bull or bronc. The strength gains would be helpful though, especially to help prevent injury.

However, while there is little to no use of steroids, other recreational drugs are prevalent. I hate to reveal a dark corner in a sport that I love, but it’s true. Although the number of clean athletes far outnumber the drug users, the druggies are still there and some of them are very popular and successful.

The point of this as related to what I quoted: the fans of the sport and of the individual athletes likely do not know about the drugs, and they do not need to know. They need to keep believing that their favorite bullrider is an All-American Cowboy who loves Ford/Chevy, country music, and hunting and apple pie, and says “yes ma’am” to all women. They do not need to know that he snorts cocaine, fucks a different girl every night, cusses liberally, hates pie and is an asshole. That would be horrible for marketing both the sport and the individual. Similarly, the fans of other sports do not need to know their favorite running back or power forward is on whatever concoction of PEDs that he’s on.

Let the public be ignorant; it’s for their own good and for the good of professional sports as a whole.[/quote]

Bull riding looks brutal! I hear a torn biceps is the most common injury.

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[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Bull riding looks brutal! I hear a torn biceps is the most common injury.[/quote]

I say this as an east coast, Jewish, city slicker, but I LOVE bull riding. It is brutal and full of awesomeness…

–Me