It’s earth 2 Allan Scott who gives a shit.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
I know children come to know and understand adult themes, references and circumstances at a pretty young age…especially nowadays…but just because my child might eventually come to know what drug abuse, drug consumption and an overdose might look like, doesn’t mean I have to be ok with them consuming those references and themes through mass entertainment on a regular basis.
I believe certain themes and subject matter are ok for children of a certain age and certain ones are not. I began reading comic books at 7 years old…so yeah…high school you might just let a kid get into more adult material…but kids start reading comics way younger than that. [/quote]
The fact that you compare homosexuality to drug abuse speaks volumes as well.[/quote]
I’m glad I speak volumes to you lol I have the right to my opinion and so do you dude[/quote]
We all have the right to an opinion. Hitler had an opinion. The KKK has an opinion. Charles Manson had an opinion.
Some opinions are sick, twisted and full of hate.
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I hope you don’t breed or your children will be miserable for having such a retarded bigot as a father.
[/quote]
^^LOL… The butthurt (no pun intended) is strong with this one.
Bigot:
noun
1.� a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
You being intolerant of his opinion about homosexual relationships would kinda make you a bigot as well.[/quote]
It’s very cool that you decided to take a definition that helped you to make the joke. Let’s take this one which is quite similar :
Ohh, it doesn’t work anymore.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I hope you don’t breed or your children will be miserable for having such a retarded bigot as a father.
[/quote]
^^LOL… The butthurt (no pun intended) is strong with this one.
Bigot:
noun
1.�?� a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
You being intolerant of his opinion about homosexual relationships would kinda make you a bigot as well.[/quote]
It’s very cool that you decided to take a definition that helped you to make the joke. Let’s take this one which is quite similar :
Ohh, it doesn’t work anymore.
[/quote]
“Oh look! You’re bigoted against my bigotry! Bigot!”
It’s such a childish and simplistic view of the world. But then again, most of these people sit there thinking “everyone should be like me” instead of recognizing that people are not all the same.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
“Oh look! You’re bigoted against my bigotry! Bigot!”
It’s such a childish and simplistic view of the world. But then again, most of these people sit there thinking “everyone should be like me” instead of recognizing that people are not all the same.[/quote]
You know, if someone tells me “I don’t like homosexuals because I think gay sex is disgusting” then I have no argument, what can I say? There’s no logic behind it, but it’s also not required, you don’t like it and that’s all.
But spitting bitter lies in order to justify that feeling…then it’s a problem and that’s when I get annoyed, bigot or not.
I’d say that Gregron picking up my “bigotry” but ignoring the fact that the OP said that gay sex is unhealthy and seems to happen only in rest stops makes him homophobic by association, no? And homophobes are…bigots.
Yep yep.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Just to play devils advocate for a second, how many people would be upset if DC/Marvel relaunched a popular superhero as a devout Christian? Muslim? Having them profess said faith throughout the comics? I’m guessing you’d have a lot of people saying similar things…it doesn’t matter…blah blah…but you’d also have people saying…no thanks, not my cup of tea…or I don’t want to read that trash…
I mean comics are notorious for flipping the switch in different ways…spreading things across alternate universes and such…even going so far to change race, size and shape…
So my question is…pick a POPULAR superhero…any one of them…if their core as a character was changed to be based in theistic beliefs…would you care? Or more importantly…Would you read it?
[/quote]
To be perfectly honest, when I initially heard (from Wol) that in the Ultimate X-Men, Colossus was gay and Wolverine’s cloned son was bi-sexual, my first thought was “wtf…why??” It seemed a little odd to make someone with a genetic mutation, gay, also.
But, then I thought “what if I was gay and was reading about hetero superhero’s… They’re supposed to reflect everyday society, right?” So, then it occurred to me that not everyone is the same, so why not have heroes that gay men and women can identify with? [/quote]
I see what you’re saying. I really do. But they’ve never gone out of their way to turn a gay character straight…why? Maybe cause theres too many of them…right? too many straight superheros for people to identify with.
Or switching a superhero to support religion? THeres plenty of kids who get picked on because they’re too “goody goody”/Straight edge/religious. No movement to support those kids. IDK I guess I’m kinda meh on the whole thing now.[/quote]
Superman is for those kids, he’s the goody goody boyscout sraight edge option.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.[/quote]
Actually it is. Statements like this:
[quote]Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol
[/quote] give you away.
Hopefully it won’t rub off on your kids.
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.[/quote]
Actually it is. Statements like this:
[quote]Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol
[/quote] give you away.
Hopefully it won’t rub off on your kids.[/quote]
No it’s not. I’m not stopping anyone from being gay. They have the right to choose whatever they want and do whatever they want to whoever they want. It’s the same as anyone else making a lifestyle choice…to be atheletic or to be completely unhealthy and sedentary…these are all lifestyle choices. However, in my mind there is nothing wrong with me screening certain material for my children. At least until they reach an age appropriate for adult material and they can make up their own minds. I’m sorry, but I personally do not think a homsexual relationship is age appropriate for when most kids start reading comic books.
This childish attitude that screams “Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is completely nonsense. I don’t belive in Mormonism, Islam or Hinduism, I don’t think some are their practices are moral for me or my beliefs, but no one would scream I’m religiously intollerant. Let them believe what they want. And for you to compare me or anyone else that doesn’t think homsexuality is right (within my similar line of thinking) to the KKK and Hitler is laughable.
And as a side note, I’m sick and tired of the gay community comparing themselves to the mass murders, killings and enslavement of various minorities to their particular situation. It’s not equal at all.
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.[/quote]
Actually it is. Statements like this:
[quote]Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol
[/quote] give you away.
Hopefully it won’t rub off on your kids.[/quote]
There is nothing bigoted about that statement fyi. I wouldn’t want SUPER straight SUPERMAN giving it SUPER straight Lois Lane in comic book for my children to read either.
Which brings up another topic. IT’ll be interesting to see how they focus on his homsexuality…if it will be the crux of the comic series or if it will be just a side reference.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
It’s earth 2 Allan Scott who gives a shit.[/quote]
This is what I’m starting to think.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
It’s earth 2 Allan Scott who gives a shit.[/quote]
I care the JSA when done right are badass but DC has been screwing with them for years, although Geoff Johns was able to give them their due this lame ass reboot has delegated them to Leifeld art and obsucrity
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
It’s earth 2 Allan Scott who gives a shit.[/quote]
LMAO
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
You’re making a strawman argument (if you don’t know what that is, look it up). You put a whole bunch of words in my mouth, because you don’t have any real argument with what I said. First off, you assumed I was gay (I’m married to a woman FYI). Then you went into arguments about getting pounded at rest stops? lol@that. What you’re talking about there has nothing to do with straightness or gayness. Truckers fuck prostitutes at rest stops. Does that mean they represent the whole or majority of straight people? of course not. You’re associating gayness with promiscuity. Straight people are just as promiscuous (a big reason most marriages end in divorce).
Now for the rest of your points. Show evidence that gay sex in a monogamous relationship is unhealthier than smoking. Your point, as I understand it, is really that promiscuity is dangerous. I won’t argue against that. Gay sex in and of itself is not.
Gays report being unhappy. You think this might have something to do with the way they’re treated by ignorant people? Just a thought.
It has not been tolerated by many societies in history? That’s just plain false. Crack open a book or two and read about Ancient Greece, the Renaissance period in Europe, the entire history of Asia, ancient Egypt, and ancient Rome, just to name some off the top of my head.
Just because you don’t know about homosexuality in world history doesn’t mean it’s not there.
If you can’t come up with a better argument than “I ain’t gon’ let none of my kin get butt fucked at dem gas stations, no sir”, then GTFO.[/quote]
I just wanted to say I agree with many of your points. Great post.
[/quote]
+1.
Bravo, flipcollar, you saved me some typing.
Still, I can also see DoubleDuce’s point.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It’s not so much that there is a gay superhero, it’s that they changed him. They “improved” him by making him gay.
Would they ever take a gay character and re-write him to make him straight? No. [/quote]
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
It’s really funny how Alan Scott ring’s weakness isn’t yellow but wood, sort of like the Young Avengers charater Asgardian who changed his name to Wiccan because well come on ass gaurdian really??[/quote]
Alan Scott being gay and possessing a ring that’s vulnerable to wood is probably the biggest double entendre in the history of comics. That made my week.[/quote]
it would have been funnier if it was any of the four current 2814 lanterns since they got their rings from ooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh[/quote]
Haha! Luckily I think innuendos are hilarious - even the word ‘innuendo’ is an innuendo - otherwise you might have ruined Green Lantern forever for me. That, and it couldn’t get any worse after the movie.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.[/quote]
Actually it is. Statements like this:
[quote]Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol
[/quote] give you away.
Hopefully it won’t rub off on your kids.[/quote]
No it’s not. I’m not stopping anyone from being gay. They have the right to choose whatever they want and do whatever they want to whoever they want. It’s the same as anyone else making a lifestyle choice…to be atheletic or to be completely unhealthy and sedentary…these are all lifestyle choices. However, in my mind there is nothing wrong with me screening certain material for my children. At least until they reach an age appropriate for adult material and they can make up their own minds. I’m sorry, but I personally do not think a homsexual relationship is age appropriate for when most kids start reading comic books.
This childish attitude that screams “Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is completely nonsense. I don’t belive in Mormonism, Islam or Hinduism, I don’t think some are their practices are moral for me or my beliefs, but no one would scream I’m religiously intollerant. Let them believe what they want. And for you to compare me or anyone else that doesn’t think homsexuality is right (within my similar line of thinking) to the KKK and Hitler is laughable.
And as a side note, I’m sick and tired of the gay community comparing themselves to the mass murders, killings and enslavement of various minorities to their particular situation. It’s not equal at all.[/quote]
The fact that you feel a gay relationship needs to be screened at all shows your mindset. Would you screen your children from a hetrosexual relationship? Would you refuse to allow your children to have anything to do Mormons, Muslims or Hindus?
“Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is 100% accurate IMO. Gay people are born that way, so its obviously natural. As for morality, I don’t see how anyone gets hurt by what two consenting adults do with each other. I’m not sure how an action that doesn’t affect anyone else can be considered immoral.
In short, I’d have no issues at all with my kids being around gay people, but I’d do my best to keep them away from people like you.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.[/quote]
Actually it is. Statements like this:
[quote]Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol
[/quote] give you away.
Hopefully it won’t rub off on your kids.[/quote]
There is nothing bigoted about that statement fyi. I wouldn’t want SUPER straight SUPERMAN giving it SUPER straight Lois Lane in comic book for my children to read either.
Which brings up another topic. IT’ll be interesting to see how they focus on his homsexuality…if it will be the crux of the comic series or if it will be just a side reference.[/quote]
The fact that you assume the comic about the gay character will somehow be full of promiscuity and contain explicit sex scenes speaks volumes about your attitude. Why would a commic about a gay guy have any more sex than a commic about a straight guy?
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.[/quote]
Actually it is. Statements like this:
[quote]Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol
[/quote] give you away.
Hopefully it won’t rub off on your kids.[/quote]
No it’s not. I’m not stopping anyone from being gay. They have the right to choose whatever they want and do whatever they want to whoever they want. It’s the same as anyone else making a lifestyle choice…to be atheletic or to be completely unhealthy and sedentary…these are all lifestyle choices. However, in my mind there is nothing wrong with me screening certain material for my children. At least until they reach an age appropriate for adult material and they can make up their own minds. I’m sorry, but I personally do not think a homsexual relationship is age appropriate for when most kids start reading comic books.
This childish attitude that screams “Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is completely nonsense. I don’t belive in Mormonism, Islam or Hinduism, I don’t think some are their practices are moral for me or my beliefs, but no one would scream I’m religiously intollerant. Let them believe what they want. And for you to compare me or anyone else that doesn’t think homsexuality is right (within my similar line of thinking) to the KKK and Hitler is laughable.
And as a side note, I’m sick and tired of the gay community comparing themselves to the mass murders, killings and enslavement of various minorities to their particular situation. It’s not equal at all.[/quote]
The fact that you feel a gay relationship needs to be screened at all shows your mindset. Would you screen your children from a hetrosexual relationship? Would you refuse to allow your children to have anything to do Mormons, Muslims or Hindus?
“Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is 100% accurate IMO. Gay people are born that way, so its obviously natural. As for morality, I don’t see how anyone gets hurt by what two consenting adults do with each other. I’m not sure how an action that doesn’t affect anyone else can be considered immoral.
In short, I’d have no issues at all with my kids being around gay people, but I’d do my best to keep them away from people like you. [/quote]
Dude you’re reaching. You clearly are. You’re trying to make me out to be some sort of monster because I think Homosexuality is immoral behavior. I’ve shared my views with classmates I had in college…(most of males in my program were gay) and with my friends gay roomates and they are completely fine with it. So actual gay people have no issue with my stance and I was actually still able to have a full conversation with them and have a good time but I’m a bigot?? LOLOL You have every right to keep you children away from me or people “Like” me as much as you want. That’s your right as a parent. I can say without a doubt that there are worse people in the world than some dude who thinks homosexuality is immoral.
And yes, as I’ve already said, I would screen my children from anything that I deem too adult for their age. That means ANY type of relationship or overtly violent themes that I don’t deem to be age appropriate. Hetrosexual, Homosexual or otherwise. I think kids (3-12) nowadays are exposed to themes that are way too adult for their age, in general.
Haha…I mean I could totally see your point if I was yelling gay slurs and calling for their extermination…but that is totally not what has been going on from my stance in this thread.
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.[/quote]
Actually it is. Statements like this:
[quote]Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol
[/quote] give you away.
Hopefully it won’t rub off on your kids.[/quote]
No it’s not. I’m not stopping anyone from being gay. They have the right to choose whatever they want and do whatever they want to whoever they want. It’s the same as anyone else making a lifestyle choice…to be atheletic or to be completely unhealthy and sedentary…these are all lifestyle choices. However, in my mind there is nothing wrong with me screening certain material for my children. At least until they reach an age appropriate for adult material and they can make up their own minds. I’m sorry, but I personally do not think a homsexual relationship is age appropriate for when most kids start reading comic books.
This childish attitude that screams “Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is completely nonsense. I don’t belive in Mormonism, Islam or Hinduism, I don’t think some are their practices are moral for me or my beliefs, but no one would scream I’m religiously intollerant. Let them believe what they want. And for you to compare me or anyone else that doesn’t think homsexuality is right (within my similar line of thinking) to the KKK and Hitler is laughable.
And as a side note, I’m sick and tired of the gay community comparing themselves to the mass murders, killings and enslavement of various minorities to their particular situation. It’s not equal at all.[/quote]
The fact that you feel a gay relationship needs to be screened at all shows your mindset. Would you screen your children from a hetrosexual relationship? Would you refuse to allow your children to have anything to do Mormons, Muslims or Hindus?
“Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is 100% accurate IMO. Gay people are born that way, so its obviously natural. As for morality, I don’t see how anyone gets hurt by what two consenting adults do with each other. I’m not sure how an action that doesn’t affect anyone else can be considered immoral.
In short, I’d have no issues at all with my kids being around gay people, but I’d do my best to keep them away from people like you. [/quote]
Dude you’re reaching. You clearly are. You’re trying to make me out to be some sort of monster because I think Homosexuality is immoral behavior. I’ve shared my views with classmates I had in college…(most of males in my program were gay) and with my friends gay roomates and they are completely fine with it. So actual gay people have no issue with my stance and I was actually still able to have a full conversation with them and have a good time but I’m a bigot?? LOLOL You have every right to keep you children away from me or people “Like” me as much as you want. That’s your right as a parent. I can say without a doubt that there are worse people in the world than some dude who thinks homosexuality is immoral.
And yes, as I’ve already said, I would screen my children from anything that I deem too adult for their age. That means ANY type of relationship or overtly violent themes that I don’t deem to be age appropriate. Hetrosexual, Homosexual or otherwise. I think kids (3-12) nowadays are exposed to themes that are way too adult for their age, in general.
Haha…I mean I could totally see your point if I was yelling gay slurs and calling for their extermination…but that is totally not what has been going on from my stance in this thread.
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
My opinion is neither sick, twisted nor full of hate. Thanks for the reply.[/quote]
Actually it is. Statements like this:
[quote]Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol
[/quote] give you away.
Hopefully it won’t rub off on your kids.[/quote]
No it’s not. I’m not stopping anyone from being gay. They have the right to choose whatever they want and do whatever they want to whoever they want. It’s the same as anyone else making a lifestyle choice…to be atheletic or to be completely unhealthy and sedentary…these are all lifestyle choices. However, in my mind there is nothing wrong with me screening certain material for my children. At least until they reach an age appropriate for adult material and they can make up their own minds. I’m sorry, but I personally do not think a homsexual relationship is age appropriate for when most kids start reading comic books.
This childish attitude that screams “Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is completely nonsense. I don’t belive in Mormonism, Islam or Hinduism, I don’t think some are their practices are moral for me or my beliefs, but no one would scream I’m religiously intollerant. Let them believe what they want. And for you to compare me or anyone else that doesn’t think homsexuality is right (within my similar line of thinking) to the KKK and Hitler is laughable.
And as a side note, I’m sick and tired of the gay community comparing themselves to the mass murders, killings and enslavement of various minorities to their particular situation. It’s not equal at all.[/quote]
The fact that you feel a gay relationship needs to be screened at all shows your mindset. Would you screen your children from a hetrosexual relationship? Would you refuse to allow your children to have anything to do Mormons, Muslims or Hindus?
“Well if you don’t think homosexuality is natural and completely moral you’re a bigot” is 100% accurate IMO. Gay people are born that way, so its obviously natural. As for morality, I don’t see how anyone gets hurt by what two consenting adults do with each other. I’m not sure how an action that doesn’t affect anyone else can be considered immoral.
In short, I’d have no issues at all with my kids being around gay people, but I’d do my best to keep them away from people like you. [/quote]
Four more points:
- There are plenty of things you can do that don’t “hurt” anyone else that can be considered immoral behavior.
- There isn’t any scientific, with out a shout of a doubt, conclusive evidence that proves that homosexuals are indeed born that way.
- Immoral= violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.
- We can all coexsist and be tolerant of each other’s practices and beliefs, but that doesn’t mean It limits me or anyone else in considering what one person or group does with their PERSONAL life as right or wrong.