[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
It’s really funny how Alan Scott ring’s weakness isn’t yellow but wood, sort of like the Young Avengers charater Asgardian who changed his name to Wiccan because well come on ass gaurdian really??[/quote]
Alan Scott being gay and possessing a ring that’s vulnerable to wood is probably the biggest double entendre in the history of comics. That made my week.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Not sure what the big deal is. Characters/universes get rebooted all the time. There was talk that Peter Parker would be rebooted as gay.
Comics are a business/industry. This was a business decision for DC. Copies sold will ultimately determine if they made the right decision for the franchise.[/quote]
Hey you… stop with your even-toned, logical posts.
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Well, I have to balance out the ridiculous hyperbolic satire once in awhile.
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Balance, schmalance.
Just to play devils advocate for a second, how many people would be upset if DC/Marvel relaunched a popular superhero as a devout Christian? Muslim? Having them profess said faith throughout the comics? I’m guessing you’d have a lot of people saying similar things…it doesn’t matter…blah blah…but you’d also have people saying…no thanks, not my cup of tea…or I don’t want to read that trash…
I mean comics are notorious for flipping the switch in different ways…spreading things across alternate universes and such…even going so far to change race, size and shape…
So my question is…pick a POPULAR superhero…any one of them…if their core as a character was changed to be based in theistic beliefs…would you care? Or more importantly…Would you read it?
And lets keep this as a discussion. There’s no reason to bash people. Lets just debate.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I hope you don’t breed or your children will be miserable for having such a retarded bigot as a father.
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^^LOL… The butthurt (no pun intended) is strong with this one.
Bigot:
noun
1.� a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
You being intolerant of his opinion about homosexual relationships would kinda make you a bigot as well.[/quote]
LOL
Some Top Super-Heroes
Superman
Methodist
Spider-Man
Protestant
Batman
Episcopalian/Catholic (lapsed)
Wonder Woman
Greco-Roman Classical Religion
Aquaman
Greco-Roman Classical Religion
The Hulk
Catholic (lapsed)
Captain America
Protestant
Invisible Woman
Episcopalian
Nightcrawler
Catholic
Shadowcat
Jewish
Daredevil
Catholic
Hawkman
Egyptian classical religion
The Thing
Jewish
The Atom
Jewish (lapsed)
Zatanna
Dianic Wiccan
Elektra
Greek Orthodox
http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_book_religion.html Interesting website.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It’s not so much that there is a gay superhero, it’s that they changed him. They “improved” him by making him gay.
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THIS.
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People unexpectedly come out all the time. My Uncle’s best friend did it, and so did another friend of the family who had a wife and two kids. If anything this is a very realistic scenario due to the stigmatization of homosexuality.[/quote]
Ummm, I don’t think this even had a coming out attached to it.
[quote]Jokerz wrote:
Meh, it’s Allen Scott Green Lantern, and not even the main DC universe. This all happens on Earth 2.[/quote]
THIS. They just “re-tooled” a “new world” with a gay dude in it.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I don’t get this whole thing. Why would DC or marvel for that matter take an already well known character and turn them gay? Why not just introduce a new character that is gay?[/quote]
Obvious answer: to sell comic books.
Little longer: To create controversy to sell comic books. For example, this thread.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It’s not so much that there is a gay superhero, it’s that they changed him. They “improved” him by making him gay.
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THIS.
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People unexpectedly come out all the time. My Uncle’s best friend did it, and so did another friend of the family who had a wife and two kids. If anything this is a very realistic scenario due to the stigmatization of homosexuality.[/quote]
Ummm, I don’t think this even had a coming out attached to it.
[quote]Jokerz wrote:
Meh, it’s Allen Scott Green Lantern, and not even the main DC universe. This all happens on Earth 2.[/quote]
THIS. They just “re-tooled” a “new world” with a gay dude in it.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I don’t get this whole thing. Why would DC or marvel for that matter take an already well known character and turn them gay? Why not just introduce a new character that is gay?[/quote]
Obvious answer: to sell comic books.
Little longer: To create controversy to sell comic books. For example, this thread.
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Good post
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Just to play devils advocate for a second, how many people would be upset if DC/Marvel relaunched a popular superhero as a devout Christian? Muslim? Having them profess said faith throughout the comics? I’m guessing you’d have a lot of people saying similar things…it doesn’t matter…blah blah…but you’d also have people saying…no thanks, not my cup of tea…or I don’t want to read that trash…
I mean comics are notorious for flipping the switch in different ways…spreading things across alternate universes and such…even going so far to change race, size and shape…
So my question is…pick a POPULAR superhero…any one of them…if their core as a character was changed to be based in theistic beliefs…would you care? Or more importantly…Would you read it?
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For the sake of this discussion, I will assume that my favorite superhero, Batman, is the one being relaunched. First, would I continue to read Batman comics if the central theme was religious? No, probably not. A religious-themed comic would be targeted toward a religious audience which does not include me. I am not against religion, as long as religious people do not try to force their beliefs and morals on me in which case I have a huge problem, but I just do not relate well to religion.
Second, would I be upset? Yes, I would. I really enjoy reading Batman comics and if they changed the franchise in a way that made me unwilling to continue reading them would upset me, at least until I found some other hero that I can relate to and enjoy reading about.
What I would not do is say that it is wrong and dangerous for them to put religious content in their comics. It would be wrong for me to try and dictate the content of someone else’s intellectual property, and it would not be fair to take the choice of content away from people who would want to read a religious themed comic just because I think it is wrong, which I do. Batman is the intellectual property of DC and they have every right to make their products they way they want and according to their values. If they want to turn Batman into a Nazi sympathizer who also runs the KKK and is friends with the guys from Westboro Baptist Church then so be it, but that comic would not appeal to many consumers and would not last long in the mainstream market. DC apparently thinks that an openly homosexual (I say openly because even though it is never said in the comics, Batman and Robin are about as subtle as a 20 person same-sex gangbang) superhero would be a good product and is consistent with their values. It just so happens that I am okay with that as well and will continue reading the Green Lantern comics. If somebody does not think that way, there are plenty of other comics to choose from, so choose one that suits your values, but it would be wrong to take the choice of reading about a popular superhero who is now gay away from people who want to do so.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Just to play devils advocate for a second, how many people would be upset if DC/Marvel relaunched a popular superhero as a devout Christian? Muslim? Having them profess said faith throughout the comics? I’m guessing you’d have a lot of people saying similar things…it doesn’t matter…blah blah…but you’d also have people saying…no thanks, not my cup of tea…or I don’t want to read that trash…
I mean comics are notorious for flipping the switch in different ways…spreading things across alternate universes and such…even going so far to change race, size and shape…
So my question is…pick a POPULAR superhero…any one of them…if their core as a character was changed to be based in theistic beliefs…would you care? Or more importantly…Would you read it?
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For the sake of this discussion, I will assume that my favorite superhero, Batman, is the one being relaunched. First, would I continue to read Batman comics if the central theme was religious? No, probably not. A religious-themed comic would be targeted toward a religious audience which does not include me. I am not against religion, as long as religious people do not try to force their beliefs and morals on me in which case I have a huge problem, but I just do not relate well to religion.
Second, would I be upset? Yes, I would. I really enjoy reading Batman comics and if they changed the franchise in a way that made me unwilling to continue reading them would upset me, at least until I found some other hero that I can relate to and enjoy reading about.
What I would not do is say that it is wrong and dangerous for them to put religious content in their comics. It would be wrong for me to try and dictate the content of someone else’s intellectual property, and it would not be fair to take the choice of content away from people who would want to read a religious themed comic just because I think it is wrong, which I do. Batman is the intellectual property of DC and they have every right to make their products they way they want and according to their values. If they want to turn Batman into a Nazi sympathizer who also runs the KKK and is friends with the guys from Westboro Baptist Church then so be it, but that comic would not appeal to many consumers and would not last long in the mainstream market. DC apparently thinks that an openly homosexual (I say openly because even though it is never said in the comics, Batman and Robin are about as subtle as a 20 person same-sex gangbang) superhero would be a good product and is consistent with their values. It just so happens that I am okay with that as well and will continue reading the Green Lantern comics. If somebody does not think that way, there are plenty of other comics to choose from, so choose one that suits your values, but it would be wrong to take the choice of reading about a popular superhero who is now gay away from people who want to do so.[/quote]
Batman is also my fav nice choice! Excellent post. But hopefully you see where I’m coming from.
I don’t think it’s wise to do what they did but just like you said it’s their intellectual property…fair enough…but count me out. And yeah I was upset…Green Lantern is up there for me amongst my favs.
Which brings me to another point…Content rating on comic books? Don’t they already have that?
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Just to play devils advocate for a second, how many people would be upset if DC/Marvel relaunched a popular superhero as a devout Christian? Muslim? Having them profess said faith throughout the comics? I’m guessing you’d have a lot of people saying similar things…it doesn’t matter…blah blah…but you’d also have people saying…no thanks, not my cup of tea…or I don’t want to read that trash…
I mean comics are notorious for flipping the switch in different ways…spreading things across alternate universes and such…even going so far to change race, size and shape…
So my question is…pick a POPULAR superhero…any one of them…if their core as a character was changed to be based in theistic beliefs…would you care? Or more importantly…Would you read it?
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To be perfectly honest, when I initially heard (from Wol) that in the Ultimate X-Men, Colossus was gay and Wolverine’s cloned son was bi-sexual, my first thought was “wtf…why??” It seemed a little odd to make someone with a genetic mutation, gay, also.
But, then I thought “what if I was gay and was reading about hetero superhero’s… They’re supposed to reflect everyday society, right?” So, then it occurred to me that not everyone is the same, so why not have heroes that gay men and women can identify with?
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Just to play devils advocate for a second, how many people would be upset if DC/Marvel relaunched a popular superhero as a devout Christian? Muslim? Having them profess said faith throughout the comics? I’m guessing you’d have a lot of people saying similar things…it doesn’t matter…blah blah…but you’d also have people saying…no thanks, not my cup of tea…or I don’t want to read that trash…
I mean comics are notorious for flipping the switch in different ways…spreading things across alternate universes and such…even going so far to change race, size and shape…
So my question is…pick a POPULAR superhero…any one of them…if their core as a character was changed to be based in theistic beliefs…would you care? Or more importantly…Would you read it?
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For the sake of this discussion, I will assume that my favorite superhero, Batman, is the one being relaunched. First, would I continue to read Batman comics if the central theme was religious? No, probably not. A religious-themed comic would be targeted toward a religious audience which does not include me. I am not against religion, as long as religious people do not try to force their beliefs and morals on me in which case I have a huge problem, but I just do not relate well to religion.
Second, would I be upset? Yes, I would. I really enjoy reading Batman comics and if they changed the franchise in a way that made me unwilling to continue reading them would upset me, at least until I found some other hero that I can relate to and enjoy reading about. [/quote]
Did I mis-read or isn’t this some sort of “alternative universe” that doesn’t impact the “main storyline?” Is GL gay forevermore? Or is he just gay until this earth2 stuff has run it’s course? Or are you saying that if in “earth2” Batman became super-christian that you would stop reading ALL batman comics because you are upset?
By the way, I found the actor for the movie.
LMAO^
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Just to play devils advocate for a second, how many people would be upset if DC/Marvel relaunched a popular superhero as a devout Christian? Muslim? Having them profess said faith throughout the comics? I’m guessing you’d have a lot of people saying similar things…it doesn’t matter…blah blah…but you’d also have people saying…no thanks, not my cup of tea…or I don’t want to read that trash…
I mean comics are notorious for flipping the switch in different ways…spreading things across alternate universes and such…even going so far to change race, size and shape…
So my question is…pick a POPULAR superhero…any one of them…if their core as a character was changed to be based in theistic beliefs…would you care? Or more importantly…Would you read it?
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For the sake of this discussion, I will assume that my favorite superhero, Batman, is the one being relaunched. First, would I continue to read Batman comics if the central theme was religious? No, probably not. A religious-themed comic would be targeted toward a religious audience which does not include me. I am not against religion, as long as religious people do not try to force their beliefs and morals on me in which case I have a huge problem, but I just do not relate well to religion.
Second, would I be upset? Yes, I would. I really enjoy reading Batman comics and if they changed the franchise in a way that made me unwilling to continue reading them would upset me, at least until I found some other hero that I can relate to and enjoy reading about. [/quote]
Did I mis-read or isn’t this some sort of “alternative universe” that doesn’t impact the “main storyline?” Is GL gay forevermore? Or is he just gay until this earth2 stuff has run it’s course? Or are you saying that if in “earth2” Batman became super-christian that you would stop reading ALL batman comics because you are upset?
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Not all…just that particular universe…but it would put a little bit of a gay stigma onto the character. Now you’d have to throw up your flag to claim which Superhero in which universe you’re supporting lolol. No no! Not Allen Scott! Hal Jordan! Hal Jordan! hahaha…this is actucally becoming quite funny now that I think about it
I dont have a choice in how writers, or creaters make their comics. I only have a choice to buy or read them. I’ve known and know several gay people in my life. Never treated them different than anyone else. That being said, I personally cant wrap my brain around how it can be natural to be gay. I can see or understand why a man might be attracted to a different type of woman than my tastes…but cant for the life of me understand how a man can naturally be attracted to another man.
It just doesnt make sence to me. i can look at a physique and think it is a bad ass physique they have built up, but nothing inside of me feels attracted…envious, jealous, maybe but zero attraction. This mindset doesnt make me homophobic. I understand people have different beliefs, and preferences…I just cant understand or picture how a person can be born gay. I truly believe someohow it has been learned.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Just to play devils advocate for a second, how many people would be upset if DC/Marvel relaunched a popular superhero as a devout Christian? Muslim? Having them profess said faith throughout the comics? I’m guessing you’d have a lot of people saying similar things…it doesn’t matter…blah blah…but you’d also have people saying…no thanks, not my cup of tea…or I don’t want to read that trash…
I mean comics are notorious for flipping the switch in different ways…spreading things across alternate universes and such…even going so far to change race, size and shape…
So my question is…pick a POPULAR superhero…any one of them…if their core as a character was changed to be based in theistic beliefs…would you care? Or more importantly…Would you read it?
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For the sake of this discussion, I will assume that my favorite superhero, Batman, is the one being relaunched. First, would I continue to read Batman comics if the central theme was religious? No, probably not. A religious-themed comic would be targeted toward a religious audience which does not include me. I am not against religion, as long as religious people do not try to force their beliefs and morals on me in which case I have a huge problem, but I just do not relate well to religion.
Second, would I be upset? Yes, I would. I really enjoy reading Batman comics and if they changed the franchise in a way that made me unwilling to continue reading them would upset me, at least until I found some other hero that I can relate to and enjoy reading about. [/quote]
Did I mis-read or isn’t this some sort of “alternative universe” that doesn’t impact the “main storyline?” Is GL gay forevermore? Or is he just gay until this earth2 stuff has run it’s course? Or are you saying that if in “earth2” Batman became super-christian that you would stop reading ALL batman comics because you are upset?
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I do not know if the Green Lantern being gay is going to last after the Earth 2 stuff is over, that will be for the DC guys to figure out. I imagine if the gay GL comics sell well then it will stick. As for my hypothetical Batman scenario, I would continue reading the old Batman comics. Just because they change it into something I do not like does not mean that the stuff I do like is somehow not good. I just wouldn’t read the religious themed stuff because I do not like religious themed entertainment, whether it is a comic or a movie like the Exorcist. I am not entertained by them.
An example of this is the last two seasons of the X-files. Do you remember those, where they replaced Mulder with Doggett and introduced the supersoldier story arch? They were really stupid and I did not like them so I stopped watching. I still watch the first 7 seasons because they kicked ass.
If the comic starts to centre around GL’s sexuality I would stop reading it. I don’t have a problem with a gay superhero, but I’d become uninterested if it were to take centre stage.
The same goes for a religious theme. If he occasionally prays in the comic book it wouldn’t bother me. If he’s praising god in every other line, I’d put it down.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Just to play devils advocate for a second, how many people would be upset if DC/Marvel relaunched a popular superhero as a devout Christian? Muslim? Having them profess said faith throughout the comics? I’m guessing you’d have a lot of people saying similar things…it doesn’t matter…blah blah…but you’d also have people saying…no thanks, not my cup of tea…or I don’t want to read that trash…
I mean comics are notorious for flipping the switch in different ways…spreading things across alternate universes and such…even going so far to change race, size and shape…
So my question is…pick a POPULAR superhero…any one of them…if their core as a character was changed to be based in theistic beliefs…would you care? Or more importantly…Would you read it?
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To be perfectly honest, when I initially heard (from Wol) that in the Ultimate X-Men, Colossus was gay and Wolverine’s cloned son was bi-sexual, my first thought was “wtf…why??” It seemed a little odd to make someone with a genetic mutation, gay, also.
But, then I thought “what if I was gay and was reading about hetero superhero’s… They’re supposed to reflect everyday society, right?” So, then it occurred to me that not everyone is the same, so why not have heroes that gay men and women can identify with? [/quote]
I see what you’re saying. I really do. But they’ve never gone out of their way to turn a gay character straight…why? Maybe cause theres too many of them…right? too many straight superheros for people to identify with.
Or switching a superhero to support religion? THeres plenty of kids who get picked on because they’re too “goody goody”/Straight edge/religious. No movement to support those kids. IDK I guess I’m kinda meh on the whole thing now.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
It’s really funny how Alan Scott ring’s weakness isn’t yellow but wood, sort of like the Young Avengers charater Asgardian who changed his name to Wiccan because well come on ass gaurdian really??[/quote]
Alan Scott being gay and possessing a ring that’s vulnerable to wood is probably the biggest double entendre in the history of comics. That made my week.[/quote]
it would have been funnier if it was any of the four current 2814 lanterns since they got their rings from ooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh