[quote]tom63 wrote:
Don Reinhoudt did 935 raw and with crappy old knee wraps which was a world record in the day. He had the old SHW total record that was around 2400 from what I recall. I think he did a 600 lb or more bench with a mid to upper 800 lb deadlift.
EDit, just checked Reinhoudt’s 2420 total was later corrected to be 2391. This was essentially raw.[/quote]
Reinhoudt’s 2391 is still the heaviest raw / unequipped total of all time
[quote]Astar wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Don Reinhoudt did 935 raw and with crappy old knee wraps which was a world record in the day. He had the old SHW total record that was around 2400 from what I recall. I think he did a 600 lb or more bench with a mid to upper 800 lb deadlift.
EDit, just checked Reinhoudt’s 2420 total was later corrected to be 2391. This was essentially raw.[/quote]
Reinhoudt’s 2391 is still the heaviest raw / unequipped total of all time[/quote]
malanichev is close on his heels with 2314lbs/1050kg
[quote]Astar wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Don Reinhoudt did 935 raw and with crappy old knee wraps which was a world record in the day. He had the old SHW total record that was around 2400 from what I recall. I think he did a 600 lb or more bench with a mid to upper 800 lb deadlift.
EDit, just checked Reinhoudt’s 2420 total was later corrected to be 2391. This was essentially raw.[/quote]
Reinhoudt’s 2391 is still the heaviest raw / unequipped total of all time[/quote]
Yep, my point by essentially raw is he did use knee wraps. raw means different things in different feds. some allow knee wraps like the APA. Don’s knee wraps were crappy ace bandage types with almost no spring, a lot worse than the Marathon knee wraps that came a few years later. These still pale in comparison to some of the wraps out there now.
Which leads me to state that lifters aren’t really any stronger now than back then. I’m not hating on gear btw, just pointing this out.
[quote]HERC410 wrote:
[quote]Astar wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Don Reinhoudt did 935 raw and with crappy old knee wraps which was a world record in the day. He had the old SHW total record that was around 2400 from what I recall. I think he did a 600 lb or more bench with a mid to upper 800 lb deadlift.
EDit, just checked Reinhoudt’s 2420 total was later corrected to be 2391. This was essentially raw.[/quote]
Reinhoudt’s 2391 is still the heaviest raw / unequipped total of all time[/quote]
malanichev is close on his heels with 2314lbs/1050kg[/quote]
yea I think him or magnusson have the potential to do it if they put together everything they’re capable of in a single meet. It’s still a testimate to how ridiculous that total is that even with guys doing literally superhuman lifts in one discipline (malanichev’s 993 squat or benny’s 975 dead) they are still a ways off. It’s just insane how good Reinhoudt was
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]Astar wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Don Reinhoudt did 935 raw and with crappy old knee wraps which was a world record in the day. He had the old SHW total record that was around 2400 from what I recall. I think he did a 600 lb or more bench with a mid to upper 800 lb deadlift.
EDit, just checked Reinhoudt’s 2420 total was later corrected to be 2391. This was essentially raw.[/quote]
Reinhoudt’s 2391 is still the heaviest raw / unequipped total of all time[/quote]
Yep, my point by essentially raw is he did use knee wraps. raw means different things in different feds. some allow knee wraps like the APA. Don’s knee wraps were crappy ace bandage types with almost no spring, a lot worse than the Marathon knee wraps that came a few years later. These still pale in comparison to some of the wraps out there now.
Which leads me to state that lifters aren’t really any stronger now than back then. I’m not hating on gear btw, just pointing this out.[/quote]
Definately not arguing with you there, I was just replying to the part where you said he HAD the old SHW total, he still has it today, no one has yet broken his total raw/unequipped
I agree with you astar. It amazes me how little top end strength has gone up. Benches are a little over Arcidi’s 705. I know he did use an Inzer blast, but I doubt it gave him much. Kaz was approaching 700, but pulled that pec on the WSM. I think he had the record with 661.
I love reading about the good ole days. For you squat fans, there is a great new book out now. I forget the title, but if you amazon search for powerlifting I’m sure you;ll find it.
ED COAN 964 POUNDS SQUAT AT 219 BWT WAS GREAT .this guy from poland andei stanzek is a dwarf but squatted 661 at 114 pounds bwt.front squat is j p brulois who did 720 pounds as shw. now they squat 1100 and 1200 50 pounds with a lot of equipment. paul anderson could squat 800 for 10 reps in the mid 1950,s.
I vote for coan’s 964 @ 220 as the most impressive.
some great classic lifts, one of my favorite modern lifters
sam byrd 1050@198 and 800 raw pretty damned impressive
all this stuff about atg close stance squats is ridiculous. The point is to squat the most weight not perform the lift in the most disadvantageous position with moderately impressive weight.
you don’t hear people arguing that Usain bolt should have ran a little farther than required
[quote]iluvgmas wrote:
some great classic lifts, one of my favorite modern lifters
sam byrd 1050@198 and 800 raw pretty damned impressive
all this stuff about atg close stance squats is ridiculous. The point is to squat the most weight not perform the lift in the most disadvantageous position with moderately impressive weight.
you don’t hear people arguing that Usain bolt should have ran a little farther than required[/quote]
Good point.
What always gets me is that there is no such thing as an Olympic squat. There is no squat definition or rules or anything in that sport. It is nothing more than an assistance exercise for them. They preform it in a way as to have the most carryover in their sport. They are strong, I respect the sport, but they have no business telling anyone what a competitive squat is, because they don’t compete at it.
It would be similar to a powerlifter who uses power cleans as an assistance exercise telling an O. guy catching the bar in a full clean is the wrong way to do it and he shouldn’t dip that low because a power clean is harder and is hence the real way to do it.
It’s just plain disrespectful.
[quote]iluvgmas wrote:
some great classic lifts, one of my favorite modern lifters
sam byrd 1050@198 and 800 raw pretty damned impressive
all this stuff about atg close stance squats is ridiculous. The point is to squat the most weight not perform the lift in the most disadvantageous position with moderately impressive weight.
you don’t hear people arguing that Usain bolt should have ran a little farther than required[/quote]
Very true. Remember though the monolift and super tight gear has allowed wide stance squatting that would be impossible in the old gear walk out days. Again, I’m not hating on gear, just pointing out that it’s different.
But overall I would say top end lifting isn’t really better or stronger or whatever than in the 70s and 80s. But I do think the gear is good to keep the interest up in the sport. I support both avenues, raw and geared. I think they actually complement each other well.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]iluvgmas wrote:
some great classic lifts, one of my favorite modern lifters
sam byrd 1050@198 and 800 raw pretty damned impressive
all this stuff about atg close stance squats is ridiculous. The point is to squat the most weight not perform the lift in the most disadvantageous position with moderately impressive weight.
you don’t hear people arguing that Usain bolt should have ran a little farther than required[/quote]
Good point.
What always gets me is that there is no such thing as an Olympic squat. There is no squat definition or rules or anything in that sport. It is nothing more than an assistance exercise for them. They preform it in a way as to have the most carryover in their sport. They are strong, I respect the sport, but they have no business telling anyone what a competitive squat is, because they don’t compete at it.
It would be similar to a powerlifter who uses power cleans as an assistance exercise telling an O. guy catching the bar in a full clean is the wrong way to do it and he shouldn’t dip that low because a power clean is harder and is hence the real way to do it.
It’s just plain disrespectful.[/quote]
Completely agree, who cares what an O-lifter squats, its all about what they c&j and snatch. I hear more people talking about pat mendes 800 squat(I just posted a guy squatting 8 weighing about 100lbs less than pat) than his much more impressive 456 snatch. If an oly lifters squat is more impressive then his comp lift then something is wrong with his training
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]iluvgmas wrote:
some great classic lifts, one of my favorite modern lifters
sam byrd 1050@198 and 800 raw pretty damned impressive
all this stuff about atg close stance squats is ridiculous. The point is to squat the most weight not perform the lift in the most disadvantageous position with moderately impressive weight.
you don’t hear people arguing that Usain bolt should have ran a little farther than required[/quote]
Very true. Remember though the monolift and super tight gear has allowed wide stance squatting that would be impossible in the old gear walk out days. Again, I’m not hating on gear, just pointing out that it’s different.
But overall I would say top end lifting isn’t really better or stronger or whatever than in the 70s and 80s. But I do think the gear is good to keep the interest up in the sport. I support both avenues, raw and geared. I think they actually complement each other well.[/quote]
yeah I second guessed posting this in here since he didn’t walk it out but still an impressive lift
I was listening to an interview with ed coan the other day and he explained the cross fed/cross history comparisons with a lot of clarity.
he said he didn’t like the heavy duty gear/monolifts etc, but the guys competing with that stuff are ridiculously strong, he went on to say that he saw a 242 bench 810 and that no matter how much gear he was wearing he would never be able to do that. he surmised the sport is different and the feds are different the best of the best in a specific fed(or a point in history) are the best under those specific conditions and should be respected for that no more no less(ie. you can compare donnie thompson to ed coan).
ed is my favorite lifter of all time a big part of it is the way he conducts himself a true sportsman
I saw an interview with fred hatfield, and he had nothing but negative things to say about modern power lifting, which i find funny since he was the first person to take a squat without walking it out(as far as I know)and set a record doing it
bud jeffries and paul Anderson of course / thread
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]iluvgmas wrote:
some great classic lifts, one of my favorite modern lifters
sam byrd 1050@198 and 800 raw pretty damned impressive
all this stuff about atg close stance squats is ridiculous. The point is to squat the most weight not perform the lift in the most disadvantageous position with moderately impressive weight.
you don’t hear people arguing that Usain bolt should have ran a little farther than required[/quote]
Good point.
What always gets me is that there is no such thing as an Olympic squat. There is no squat definition or rules or anything in that sport. It is nothing more than an assistance exercise for them. They preform it in a way as to have the most carryover in their sport. They are strong, I respect the sport, but they have no business telling anyone what a competitive squat is, because they don’t compete at it.
It would be similar to a powerlifter who uses power cleans as an assistance exercise telling an O. guy catching the bar in a full clean is the wrong way to do it and he shouldn’t dip that low because a power clean is harder and is hence the real way to do it.
It’s just plain disrespectful.[/quote]
In all fairness though, how often do you see a real weightlifter (as in one who’s actually successful in his sport) argue about this? I guess it probably happens but it seems very rare to me, seems like it’s usually the recreational lifters who bitch about this. I’d like to think most serious lifters can recognize a good feat of strength regardless of whether the balls touch the floor or it’s “only” PL depth.
anrei stanzek 662 pounds squat at flyweight . 114 pounds . and is sam byrd squats great i dont know . lot of gear. coan is great with his 964 pounds done at 217 bwt . frencman jp brulois front squat of 724 pounds is grea too. . and wade hooper . is good
Can’t believe these got passed over. Thomason is a monster