[quote]DPH wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
I say they all do, BUT I found out his 1038 was done with monolift in the WPO. So, does he have USPF 1000+ lifts? List em.
the USPF lists Coen as squatting 1020 for the 242 record…
I know he has squatted 1000 lbs or more on more than one occasion in the USPF though…
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Thanks Bro, and Pasanella did 1019 in the USPF, but I know he did more elsewhere…
[quote]Viking69 wrote:
DPH wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
I say they all do, BUT I found out his 1038 was done with monolift in the WPO. So, does he have USPF 1000+ lifts? List em.
the USPF lists Coen as squatting 1020 for the 242 record…
I know he has squatted 1000 lbs or more on more than one occasion in the USPF though…
http://www.powerliftingca.com/american_pl_openmen.pdf
Thanks Bro, and Pasanella did 1019 in the USPF, but I know he did more elsewhere…
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OFF TOPIC
how many of those on the list train Westside?
Interesting that most of the strength records from the USPF which were made in the 1980’s still stand today! What does that tell us?
[quote]superscience wrote:
ok, the reason i post oly squats is because their real proper squats. see these powerlifting squats to paralell with suits and wraps dont make sense to me unless i hear wat they do raw ATG. thats why i post about oly lifters squats.
i cudn care if a man squatted 2000lbs suited with belt and wraps.i also feel the same for bench gear and deadlift gear. id rather hear of a guy at a gym benching 300 raw than gene rychlak doing 1005 suited. if you were to develop some kind of suit for sprinters that benfited them like powerlifting, records wud be lik 6 seconds but its not real its fake.
awell ill shut up now cause this is a touchy subject for powerlifters that use gear. i just hope to hell powerlifting gets in the olympics and they take over and get rid of these suits.
ps im not an oly lifter this i just how i feel. [/quote]
A 300 pound bench is impressive? Maybe for an O lifter, but anybody who has been training for a year or so should be able to hit a 300 pound bench. Although I agree that bench shirts are getting a little silly, there is no way that a 1000+ bench, shirt or not, is even in the same class as a 300 pound raw bench.
It’s obvious from your opinions that you are not a powerlifter, and you said yourself that you are not an oly lifter. You are talking out your ass since you have zero experience in either, and I think that maybe a little experience in either weightlifting or powerlifting would benefit you and your opinions.
[quote]Christomopher wrote:
superscience wrote:
ok, the reason i post oly squats is because their real proper squats. see these powerlifting squats to paralell with suits and wraps dont make sense to me unless i hear wat they do raw ATG. thats why i post about oly lifters squats.
i cudn care if a man squatted 2000lbs suited with belt and wraps.i also feel the same for bench gear and deadlift gear. id rather hear of a guy at a gym benching 300 raw than gene rychlak doing 1005 suited. if you were to develop some kind of suit for sprinters that benfited them like powerlifting, records wud be lik 6 seconds but its not real its fake.
awell ill shut up now cause this is a touchy subject for powerlifters that use gear. i just hope to hell powerlifting gets in the olympics and they take over and get rid of these suits.
ps im not an oly lifter this i just how i feel.
A 300 pound bench is impressive? Maybe for an O lifter, but anybody who has been training for a year or so should be able to hit a 300 pound bench. Although I agree that bench shirts are getting a little silly, there is no way that a 1000+ bench, shirt or not, is even in the same class as a 300 pound raw bench.
It’s obvious from your opinions that you are not a powerlifter, and you said yourself that you are not an oly lifter. You are talking out your ass since you have zero experience in either, and I think that maybe a little experience in either weightlifting or powerlifting would benefit you and your opinions. [/quote]
i lift weights and have been training for 4 years naturally and have some good numbers especially for my bw and know a thing or 2 about training. ive recently just started learning the oly lifts.
your the one talkiing through ur ass on the 300lb bench after a year. you would need alot more than a year to reach 300lbs naturally especially if your light to begin with. only some people burst up to 300lb in a year and they are usully heavy allready.
i didnt say the 300lb bench was more impressive, i said id rather hear of a guy doing that than genes 1005. so id sugest u read more carefuly.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Interesting that most of the strength records from the USPF which were made in the 1980’s still stand today! What does that tell us?[/quote]
That the lifters in the APF broke away in the 80s, along with the formation of the drug free group(adfpa) at that time.
The heavy hitters had left the uspf then for the most part due to the testing issue.
[quote]superscience wrote:
i lift weights and have been training for 4 years naturally and have some good numbers especially for my bw and know a thing or 2 about training. ive recently just started learning the oly lifts.
your the one talkiing through ur ass on the 300lb bench after a year. you would need alot more than a year to reach 300lbs naturally especially if your light to begin with. only some people burst up to 300lb in a year and they are usully heavy allready.
i didnt say the 300lb bench was more impressive, i said id rather hear of a guy doing that than genes 1005. so id sugest u read more carefuly.
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First off, English motherfucker! Do you speak it? Four years of training and you are still making excuses? You know what kind of people say they have good numbers for their bodyweight? People with crappy numbers. Perhaps someday you yourself will bench 300 and then realize that it isn’t that big of a deal.
[quote]Christomopher wrote:
superscience wrote:
i lift weights and have been training for 4 years naturally and have some good numbers especially for my bw and know a thing or 2 about training. ive recently just started learning the oly lifts.
your the one talkiing through ur ass on the 300lb bench after a year. you would need alot more than a year to reach 300lbs naturally especially if your light to begin with. only some people burst up to 300lb in a year and they are usully heavy allready.
i didnt say the 300lb bench was more impressive, i said id rather hear of a guy doing that than genes 1005. so id sugest u read more carefuly.
First off, English motherfucker! Do you speak it? Four years of training and you are still making excuses? You know what kind of people say they have good numbers for their bodyweight? People with crappy numbers. Perhaps someday you yourself will bench 300 and then realize that it isn’t that big of a deal.[/quote]
considering the fact that i havent benched in 13 weeks and i can still bench 125kg i wouldnt call my numbers crap. been deadlifting not even 2 years and i pull 200kg for 7 reps. and i only weigh 82kg high bodyfat% too cause im bulking.
let me think how many people do i know that bench 300 raw. only abut 7 people and none of them are light. yet only some of them are natural.
a natural 300 bench dont come easy. ur talking trhough ur ass.
[quote]Christomopher wrote:
First off, English motherfucker! Do you speak it? Four years of training and you are still making excuses? You know what kind of people say they have good numbers for their bodyweight? People with crappy numbers. Perhaps someday you yourself will bench 300 and then realize that it isn’t that big of a deal.[/quote]
Dude, if you are going to use a Pulp Fiction quote to make yourself sound tough, give it some sort of context or meaning rather than just sticking it on the beginning of your post.
No, I don’t agree with the idea of a 300 bench being something you’d ‘rather see’ than Gene Rychlak’s 1005; but a 300lbs bench is also nothing to sneeze at. And very few people would be able to make 300 on the bench natural and raw within 1 year; that is bullshit.
By the way, the pick of the 77kg dude’s oly squat freaks me out every time I see it. Unbelievable as it is already, it also makes you wonder what he might be able to do in 2-ply gear going just to parallel.
[quote]bigjoey wrote:
Christomopher wrote:
First off, English motherfucker! Do you speak it? Four years of training and you are still making excuses? You know what kind of people say they have good numbers for their bodyweight? People with crappy numbers. Perhaps someday you yourself will bench 300 and then realize that it isn’t that big of a deal.
Dude, if you are going to use a Pulp Fiction quote to make yourself sound tough, give it some sort of context or meaning rather than just sticking it on the beginning of your post.
No, I don’t agree with the idea of a 300 bench being something you’d ‘rather see’ than Gene Rychlak’s 1005; but a 300lbs bench is also nothing to sneeze at. And very few people would be able to make 300 on the bench natural and raw within 1 year; that is bullshit.
By the way, the pick of the 77kg dude’s oly squat freaks me out every time I see it. Unbelievable as it is already, it also makes you wonder what he might be able to do in 2-ply gear going just to parallel.
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Actually, not much more unless he trained specifically for that lift. O lifters use a bounce as they descend to the bottom, similiar to a bounce off the chest in the bench.
I’m sure he would be very strong, but heavy at parallel has more carryover to deep and narrow, than deep and narrow has to heavy at parallel. One reason is that you aren’t accustomed to heavier weights.
[quote]Christomopher wrote:
A 300 pound bench is impressive? Maybe for an O lifter, but anybody who has been training for a year or so should be able to hit a 300 pound bench. [/quote]
Doesn’t % of bodyweight mean anything. Heck, I’m pretty sure the little Hercules kid didn’t hit 300lb when he started lifting at age 7.
[quote]superscience wrote:
awell ill shut up now cause this is a touchy subject for powerlifters that use gear. [/quote]
I love the “touchy” line anti-gear people use. They do something like come onto a squat thread that obviously is dealing with the powerlifting version of the squat (i.e. one done in competition), trash on powerlifters for using gear and squatting high, and then they call powerlifters touchy when they respond with reason. That should show you how much merit these guys’ opinions have.
[quote]superscience wrote:
awell ill shut up now cause this is a touchy subject for powerlifters that use gear. i just hope to hell powerlifting gets in the olympics and they take over and get rid of these suits.
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I love the “touchy” line anti-gear people use. They do something like come onto a squat thread that obviously is dealing with the powerlifting version of the squat (i.e. one done in competition), trash on powerlifters for using gear and squatting high, and then they call powerlifters touchy when they respond with reason. That should show you how much merit these guys’ opinions have.
[quote]Christomopher wrote:
A 300 pound bench is impressive? Maybe for an O lifter, but anybody who has been training for a year or so should be able to hit a 300 pound bench. Although I agree that bench shirts are getting a little silly, there is no way that a 1000+ bench, shirt or not, is even in the same class as a 300 pound raw bench.
It’s obvious from your opinions that you are not a powerlifter, and you said yourself that you are not an oly lifter. You are talking out your ass since you have zero experience in either, and I think that maybe a little experience in either weightlifting or powerlifting would benefit you and your opinions. [/quote]
I’m going to tell my 62 year old, 150lb dad to start benching. Under your plan, in 1 year, he’ll be benching nearly twice his bodywieght!
Please qualify your statement next time. It sounded quite silly to me.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
I’m going to tell my 62 year old, 150lb dad to start benching. Under your plan, in 1 year, he’ll be benching nearly twice his bodywieght!
Please qualify your statement next time. It sounded quite silly to me.
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You quibble over that lack of qualification yet you don’t complain about the lack of qualification in the original comparison of a 1000lb shirted bench and a 300lb raw bench? Perhaps they were both using a bit of hyperbole.
It should, however, be fairly obvious that for a given lifter, a 1000lb shirted bench is currently much more impressive than a 300lb raw bench. Compare the number of 300lb raw benchers that can bench 1000lbs in a shirt and the number of 1000lb shirted benchers that can bench 300 raw.
[quote]RickJames wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
I’m going to tell my 62 year old, 150lb dad to start benching. Under your plan, in 1 year, he’ll be benching nearly twice his bodywieght!
Please qualify your statement next time. It sounded quite silly to me.
You quibble over that lack of qualification yet you don’t complain about the lack of qualification in the original comparison of a 1000lb shirted bench and a 300lb raw bench? Perhaps they were both using a bit of hyperbole.
It should, however, be fairly obvious that for a given lifter, a 1000lb shirted bench is currently much more impressive than a 300lb raw bench. Compare the number of 300lb raw benchers that can bench 1000lbs in a shirt and the number of 1000lb shirted benchers that can bench 300 raw. [/quote]
Fully in agreement. There is no comparison. Tens of thousands of people can bench 300lbs raw. Only a few people in the world have what it takes to bench 1000 lbs (or squat it for that matter). No quibling there.
The greatest squats of all time: meaning the greatest amount of weight squatted under the strictest conditions.
So after some research here is my list of 1,000lb squats done with a walkout. Funny, of the 12 lifters/some with multiple lifts I could find, none of these lifts were done after 1996 and a lot were done prior to 1990(meaning the gear used was really nothing compared to today?s).
Also it seems the greatest power lifter of all time Ed Coan has the most 1,000lb + squats with a walkout, and he is also the lightest! Maybe that?s why he is the greatest.
Dave Waddington 1000 @ 275
Fred Hatfield 1014 @ 255(at an age of 45) Also 1008 @ 255
Shane Hamman 1008@superheavy bodyweight of ?
Kirk Karwoski 1003@275
Ed Coan 1019,1003,+ several more? @ 242!
Dave Panasella 1022, 1030 @ 275
Greg “Beatle” Lowe 1003lb @ 275
Anthony Clark 1017 @ 330lbs
OD Wilson 1002 @ 350+?
Matt Dimel 1010 @ ? 1986
Pete Tregolan’s 1008 @ ?
Lee Moran 1003 @ ?
I thought Paul Anderson(Supersquats’s Randall Strossen’s hero)had squatted over a 1000?Is there some condition that this doesn’t meet?
[quote]Harry Flashman wrote:
I thought Paul Anderson(Supersquats’s Randall Strossen’s hero)had squatted over a 1000?Is there some condition that this doesn’t meet?[/quote]
Only that Paul never did it in a competition.
[quote]Viking69 wrote:
The greatest squats of all time: meaning the greatest amount of weight squatted under the strictest conditions.
So after some research here is my list of 1,000lb squats done with a walkout. Funny, of the 12 lifters/some with multiple lifts I could find, none of these lifts were done after 1996 and a lot were done prior to 1990(meaning the gear used was really nothing compared to today?s).
Also it seems the greatest power lifter of all time Ed Coan has the most 1,000lb + squats with a walkout, and he is also the lightest! Maybe that?s why he is the greatest.
Dave Waddington 1000 @ 275
Fred Hatfield 1014 @ 255(at an age of 45) Also 1008 @ 255
Shane Hamman 1008@superheavy bodyweight of ?
Kirk Karwoski 1003@275
Ed Coan 1019,1003,+ several more? @ 242!
Dave Panasella 1022, 1030 @ 275
Greg “Beatle” Lowe 1003lb @ 275
Anthony Clark 1017 @ 330lbs
OD Wilson 1002 @ 350+?
Matt Dimel 1010 @ ? 1986
Pete Tregolan’s 1008 @ ?
Lee Moran 1003 @ ?
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That is a great list of lifters. The grams of testosterone behind that would be staggering. hahahaha.
I think the reason for the drop-off in 1000lb squats is related a bit to the introduction of the monolift…since you aren’t considering those, a lot of the strongest guys (read: guys on a ton of shit) won’t be on the list. There are a couple of guys in the WPO now that could walk out and squat 1000lbs in single ply gear, but alas, we probably won’t ever get to see it. I’d like to see more of those guys do the Mountaineer Cup.