[quote]IronBP wrote:
He had a ton of muscle, but not too much, …[/quote]
Too much muscle???
To paraphrase a country song:
Too much [muscle], whats that mean?
It’s like too much money there’s no such thing
Its like a girl to pretty or too much class
Being too lucky or car to fast
No matter what they say I’ve done
I ain’t never had to much [muscle]
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]IronBP wrote:
He had a ton of muscle, but not too much, …[/quote]
Too much muscle???
To paraphrase a country song:
Too much [muscle], whats that mean?
It’s like too much money there’s no such thing
Its like a girl to pretty or too much class
Being too lucky or car to fast
No matter what they say I’ve done
I ain’t never had to much [muscle]
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lol I actually know the cousin of the guy who made that song
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]DanielDJ wrote:
fair enough but what set dorian apart from his competitors and won him six mr. o’s was his size and back and ronnie bettered him on both of those aspects plus had a better x frame than him[/quote]
I think Yates’ overall density and conditioning (with a ridiculous amount of mass on a 5’10 frame) is what really set him apart. Sure his back was just beastly, but it was the overall quality of his physique (that dry, grainy, carved from stone look) that allowed him to beat competitors who may have been physically larger (ie, Nasser, Dillet…)
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imo just as it took time for jay to dethrone ronnie, if dorian didnt retire it would have only been time before ronnie did the same[/quote]
Jay didn’t beat Ronnie, Ronnie lost by steppingg onstage in a visably injuried condition (Yates’ injuries weren’t apparant to the naked eye). Ronnie had an injury that resulted in half of his back muscle atrophying, essentially killing any of his usually dominant back poses. Dorian may have kept improving if injuries hadn’t cause him to consider his options. As such, we’ll never know if Ronnie would have improved at a rate fast enough to catch a healthy, still improving Yates. At least not before he retired.
(For the record, I am a big fan of Jay, Ronnie and Yates, but admittedly, Yates gets a special nod from me -lol)
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lol in all honesty i prefer dorian too
out of all mr olympia winners ‘imo’ he faced the highest standard of bb’ers, apart from branch not too many of recent have that ‘granynest’ of that decade
and even with that branch doesnt hold that conditioning in the back
At his peak, Coleman’s lines and mass are gonna be tough to beat (even now). But as Audiogarden1 said above, Yates looked as solid as a concrete wall… and just as dry. I can’t think of a bber of late whose hardness comes through as Yates’ did.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think Yates’ overall density and conditioning (with a ridiculous amount of mass on a 5’10 frame) is what really set him apart. Sure his back was just beastly, but it was the overall quality of his physique (that dry, grainy, carved from stone look) that allowed him to beat competitors who may have been physically larger (ie, Nasser, Dillet…)
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Yates had symmetry. Nasser and Dillet didnt. Both of their backs were lacking. Dillet in particular looked like a cardboard cutout: huge from the front but paper thin from the side. No back thickness whatsoever.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Ronnie was larger overall, but he ‘stood on the shoulders’ of Yates just as Yates did of Haney. Always gonna wonder how far Dorian would have pushed his limits if injuries didn’t force him to step down.
Really hard to compare champions from different periods, the standard changes too much.
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Bingo. Its rare that an athlete ever retires during his prime, and theres nothing about Yates career that doesnt make me thinks he would have only gotten better.
Ronnie may have the size, but his physique doesnt quite have that same Concrete fucking wall look that Dorian’s had. [/quote]
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Yates had two major torn muscle groups. There was quite a bit saying he would not get better by his last contest.[/quote]
Im speaking hypothetically, like in a world where Yates DIDNT have to retire due to injuries i could only see him getting better than he already was.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
At his peak, Coleman’s lines and mass are gonna be tough to beat (even now). But as Audiogarden1 said above, Yates looked as solid as a concrete wall… and just as dry. I can’t think of a bber of late whose hardness comes through as Yates’ did.[/quote]
Maybe Branch when he is in top form, but otherwise Yates is probably the most well conditioned BBer in history.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
At his peak, Coleman’s lines and mass are gonna be tough to beat (even now). But as Audiogarden1 said above, Yates looked as solid as a concrete wall… and just as dry. I can’t think of a bber of late whose hardness comes through as Yates’ did.[/quote]
Maybe Branch when he is in top form, but otherwise Yates is probably the most well conditioned BBer in history. [/quote]
Not to mention Yates was way more balanced than Branch.
Sorry to say it, but Branch looks like he’s trying to be bad-ass, whereas Yates WAS bad-ass.
lol
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
At his peak, Coleman’s lines and mass are gonna be tough to beat (even now). But as Audiogarden1 said above, Yates looked as solid as a concrete wall… and just as dry. I can’t think of a bber of late whose hardness comes through as Yates’ did.[/quote]
Maybe Branch when he is in top form, but otherwise Yates is probably the most well conditioned BBer in history. [/quote]
Not to mention Yates was way more balanced than Branch.
Sorry to say it, but Branch looks like he’s trying to be bad-ass, whereas Yates WAS bad-ass.
lol[/quote]
Branch is still a bad mofo, but i agree that Yates is just the ultimate bodybuilding badass.
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
Inspired by the debate which started in the “Would Arnold Win a Modern Mr. O?” thread.
Who do people consider to be the greatest ever Mr. O? And for that matter the greatest ever phsique on show?
For me I can’t seperate Jay, Ronnie and Dorian…
(I will agree noone can match Arnies charisma/personality in my opinion) [/quote]
(I will agree noone can match Arnies charisma/personality in my opinion)
(I will agree noone can match Arnies charisma/personality in my opinion)
(I will agree noone can match Arnies charisma/personality in my opinion)
Tell me when you realize you need to word that a little better. You agree with yourself
It’s got to be arnie he may not be as big as todays body builders but no body compares to him.
[quote]Kanada wrote:
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
Inspired by the debate which started in the “Would Arnold Win a Modern Mr. O?” thread.
Who do people consider to be the greatest ever Mr. O? And for that matter the greatest ever phsique on show?
For me I can’t seperate Jay, Ronnie and Dorian…
(I will agree noone can match Arnies charisma/personality in my opinion) [/quote]
(I will agree noone can match Arnies charisma/personality in my opinion)
(I will agree noone can match Arnies charisma/personality in my opinion)
Tell me when you realize you need to word that a little better. You agree with yourself[/quote]
You will be a very busy man if you attempt to correct all the grammer and spelling mistakes in these forums.