[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Even God stopped Isiah from sacrificing his kid.
God said to ABRAHAM, “Kill me a son”.
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I knew I had the wrong name. It’s been a long day.
[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Even God stopped Isiah from sacrificing his kid.
God said to ABRAHAM, “Kill me a son”.
Man, you must be puttin’ me on.[/quote]
[quote]Taquito wrote:
“so if the koran is so peaceful, why then are they all screaming “Allahu Akbar” and then blowing them selves up?”
If they “all” blew themselves up, you wouldn’t have a problem. They’d all be dead.
I have plenty of muslim friends who are damn good people. They’re also a lot more peaceful and nicer than my white christian friends.
Someone mentioned that every current war in the world involves muslims on one side. Looking at major conflict zones, we have: eastern europe, asia (non-middle eastern), middle east/norteast africa, central america, and south america. I see one out of five of those areas that are predominantly muslim.[/quote]
Ever hear of propaganda? Its REALLY useful for ralying people towards the Government’s cause.
The Nazis used it, the Commies used it, even that Wacko in North Korea is using it. And don’t you dare tell me the US isn’t using it with the current
Middle East War.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Digital, it’s a shame you have such a negative view regarding the Christian and Jewish religions; of course you’re entitled to do so but that doesn’t give ridiculous statements along those lines any validity, [/quote]
What ridiculous statements? Please specify.
You need to work on your reading comprehension; that is not what I wrote. I wrote: “I don’t see how you can spin this to mean anything except what it says.”
Meaning, “I don’t see how you could make this not a direct instruction to kill a non-believer if you were to attempt to do so.” Got it?
Or perhaps it’s a university education with a major in History, and perhaps I do know the “context” quite well along with a real picture of scholarly-backed history to compare it with, not just blindly buying into (biased Christian) notions that the Bible is all one big rainbow of happiness with a light, fluffy nougat center.
Perhaps.
Wow. Just, wow.
There were many such instructions to do exactly that, and history shows that is exactly what they did. The Hebrews were an especially blood-thirsty tribe in a time of blood-thirsty tribes.
You saying it didn’t happen is an insult to the tens of thousands they mercilessly slaughtered and/or enslaved.
And smallnomore’s posting of Deuteronomy 13:6-9 differs from this how? It doesn’t mention attacking enemies or executing criminals, it instructs one to kill family members for wanting to worship other gods.
So, no, I don’t grasp the difference. Perhaps you can explain it to me.
[quote]The situation was not unlike with Palestinian terrorists. For example, in the war back in the 70s where the PLO was driven back onto a spit of land of Lebanon and could have all been destroyed, a foolish decision was made to allow them to retreat and attack another day. For the sake of the nation, these dedicated enemies of the nation – murderous terrorists, all of them – should have been killed.
That is NOT equivalent, no matter how much you want it to be, to Muslim terrorists and their Koran teaching to murder unbelievers throughout the world, for all time everywhere not specific cases of murderous enemies within their nation. [/quote]
OK, calm down. I never said that modern-day Christian and Muslim behavior was in any way alike.
The Christians have obviously gotten a lot of the torturing and slaughtering of innocents out of their systems over the last 1700 years and are much more mellow now.
Like not worshipping the god of Abraham, for instance?
The texts are indisputably murderous and barbaric, although the majority of modern Christians are too lazy to read them, and are content to have the Disney version spoon fed to them by their religious leaders.
There are many moderate Christians, but Christianity is not moderate.
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I will wire you $1,000.00 U.S. via Paypal if you can quote me writing the Koran is “a book of peace”.
Where the hell do you get off putting words in my mouth? I never even remotely implied such a thing!
As much as you’ve seen me rag on the Bible, I think the Koran is 10x worse. Anyway, continue with your babbling…
[quote]Sorry, there are tens of thousands, if not more, of murderous terrorists who will tell you specifically it’s the Koran that motivates them to murder Americans (and Jews), and they are in fact guilty of committing this terrorist, so all these excuses that their religion allegedly does not teach this, let alone attempts at moral equivalism trying to claim the Christian and Jewish are equally bad or worse, is just far beyond what any rational mind should be putting out, and is easily enough, and already has been, refuted.
Give it a rest – calling the Koran a messsage of peace and trying to pretend the Bible teaches killing people for not being Christians or Jews, reflects ONLY on yourself, not on any actuality, [/quote]
Sorry, Skippy, I never said the former, and I already said the later is self-evident but very seldom acted upon by modern Christians. Get your story straight.
So, go bitch at someone who is, cause it ain’t me, Sunshine.
I think the entire Middle East should just be made into the world’s biggest glow-in-the-dark parking lot and be done with it.
Are we on the same page now?
[quote]Of course, whatever enemy
America has, there’s always going to be the Jane Fondas who will tout that the enemy is good, will adore that enemy, and will excoriate America and any belief widely held by Middle America. Absurd statements are one thing, but false statements made with a motivation like that – to be an apologist for a murderous enemy – deserve to be pointed out for just what they are.
And exactly why you and others are trying to prop up the Koran as allegedly being peaceful, and attack the Jewish and Christian religious for supposedly being murderous or having murderous teachings, is beyond anyone’s ability to figure out how it’s relevant to this thread?
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Let me clap it out for you one more time: I attack The Bible because it does have murderous teachings, and I point this out to people like yourself who may be too brainwashed and/or stupid to realize it (it’s a vain hope, but I’m an optimist).
I do not and [b]have never[/b] said that the majority of modern Christians behave similarly to a (albeit, sizeable) minority of fanatical Middle Eastern Muslims.
I stated that their religious texts bear some striking similarities, but the Bible sucks enough to be picked apart and ridiculed all on its own.
And you’ve got some serious cajones calling me out on relevance, seeing as how you are the one who stirred up all this shit in the first place.
Let me know how that crow tastes.
[quote]Robert P. wrote:
Just a little message for Bill, try really reading the koran. If you had, you might have come across: “Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors.”
Or:
“Those who believe, and those who follow the Jewish, and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”
And this thing about hating christianity? Really sounds like it, doesn’t it?:
"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians”: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
Let’s not forget the crusades, the Irish dispute, etc. And if you don’t want people in the middle east to hate you, here’s a little hint: Attacking two countries located there and threating war on a third might not be doing much for your image.
As for the “300 is just a movie” comment, well sure it is. That doesn’t change the fact that babies with physical disabilities were killed by the Spartans. They also left the corpses of warriors with wounds in their back to rot on the battlefield because it was dishonourable to die that way.
Also, I realize that I didn’t really comment on the main topic of the thread, but I don’t think an act like that even needs to be discussed. Let me also state that I’m a christian and lived in America for three years. I love the country and don’t want to offend anybody, but I don’t agree with the current political leadership.
On that note: Gentlemen, start your engines, may the flaming begin![/quote]
I agree.
wow wow wow
what if the boy friends friend… put the baby in the oven and then took him out saying she did, so she would get in trouble.
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
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Ever hear of propaganda? Its REALLY useful for ralying people towards the Government’s cause.
The Nazis used it, the Commies used it, even that Wacko in North Korea is using it. And don’t you dare tell me the US isn’t using it with the current
Middle East War.[/quote]
And our enemies use it too. Unfortunately too many people don’t recognize it and end up repeating our enemies propaganda.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
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Ever hear of propaganda? Its REALLY useful for ralying people towards the Government’s cause.
The Nazis used it, the Commies used it, even that Wacko in North Korea is using it. And don’t you dare tell me the US isn’t using it with the current
Middle East War.
And our enemies use it too. Unfortunately too many people don’t recognize it and end up repeating our enemies propaganda.[/quote]
Ok. Could you give an example?
With links?
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
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Ever hear of propaganda? Its REALLY useful for ralying people towards the Government’s cause.
The Nazis used it, the Commies used it, even that Wacko in North Korea is using it. And don’t you dare tell me the US isn’t using it with the current
Middle East War.
And our enemies use it too. Unfortunately too many people don’t recognize it and end up repeating our enemies propaganda.
Ok. Could you give an example?
With links?[/quote]
Referring to failure to provide air conditioning is called torture by many. This is propaganda. There are thousands of examples of this. The fact that you don’t see it as propaganda is very sad.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Referring to failure to provide air conditioning is called torture by many.[/quote]
What the hell? Where can I see/hear/read about this “injustice”. This is the stupidest thing I have heard this month.
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There are thousands of examples of this.[/quote]
Then please direct me to one of these examples of external propaganda in the Government “adjusted” media of your Country.
I’m sure you can find a link somwhere.
Here is an example of your propaganda:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/spy_money
“Spies embedding tiny transmitters in Canadian coins, U.S. report says”
What complete BULLSHIT.
Well Zap?
Its been a few days.
No response beyond your usual opinion? No facts, figures, quotes to back up your opinion?
Not even any anecdotal support?
Gotta be something.
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Referring to failure to provide air conditioning is called torture by many.
What the hell? Where can I see/hear/read about this “injustice”. This is the stupidest thing I have heard this month.
There are thousands of examples of this.
Then please direct me to one of these examples of external propaganda in the Government “adjusted” media of your Country.
I’m sure you can find a link somwhere.
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http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1396256
Follow the link and read the thread. If you do not recognize it for the propaganda it is I see no point in discussing the subject with you any further.
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Here is an example of your propaganda:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/spy_money
“Spies embedding tiny transmitters in Canadian coins, U.S. report says”
What complete BULLSHIT.[/quote]
Yes, that is a silly story.
Thanks for the link Zap. Didn’t see this thread before.