Greasy Baby Found in Oven

Ok, ive been raised roman catholic, went through the school system all the way through graduation, and i was forced to learn about other forms of religion, so i feel compelled to say this.

Christianity is not the only branch of faith that says you should be kind to each other. Even if someone is a practicing Muslim, or Athiest, they are going to practice an idea that they should show all others respect.

But then we see the extremist, like those who participated in the attacks of 9/11 and people assume and all muslims want to fly a plane into our buildings. If you ever read the Koran, you would see that it sends a very peaceful message.

You can not judge an entire religion by a group of extremist, just look at christians who bomb an abortion clinic and then say a Hail Mary that it was a success, yet we wouldnt claim that all christians want to blow up an abortion clinic.
–WS4

[quote]WildCelt wrote:
blitzkrg wrote:
WildCelt wrote:
Christian?
Atheist?
Moslem?
Animist?

I wonder.

so what if he is a christian?

what fucking good does an atheist or a muslim do?

yeah i get they are holier than thou and all that, but at least the christian message says be good to each other…
dont go out and blow your self up…

sure they are fucked up just like every other religion, but IMO they are fucked up the least and do the most good work.

Ummm. That was sorta my point.

Different worldviews result in different behaviors. Although not everyone that claims to be a Christian has been a good ambassador for the name.

I sorta had her figured to be a Moslem, but maybe I’m just still pissed-off over 9-11.
[/quote]

your point was a little unclear…

[quote]dead_lifter5000 wrote:
I think the article read “aggravated child abuse”- WTF!!! How bout attempted fucking murder.[/quote]

I’m not sure about this case, but a lot of times the charge is for the crime with the greatest punishment. Aggravated child abuse may carry a tougher penalty than attempted murder. I am confident the DA is going for the stiffest penalty.

DB

[quote]WS4JB wrote:
Ok, ive been raised roman catholic, went through the school system all the way through graduation, and i was forced to learn about other forms of religion, so i feel compelled to say this.

Christianity is not the only branch of faith that says you should be kind to each other. Even if someone is a practicing Muslim, or Athiest, they are going to practice an idea that they should show all others respect.

But then we see the extremist, like those who participated in the attacks of 9/11 and people assume and all muslims want to fly a plane into our buildings. If you ever read the Koran, you would see that it sends a very peaceful message.

You can not judge an entire religion by a group of extremist, just look at christians who bomb an abortion clinic and then say a Hail Mary that it was a success, yet we wouldnt claim that all christians want to blow up an abortion clinic.
–WS4[/quote]

catholics dont get a say, they molest little boys…
(only kidding)

so if the koran is so peaceful, why then are they all screaming “Allahu Akbar” and then blowing them selves up?

i’ve seen PLENTY of footage of groups of muslims all over the world screaming death to the USA death to the USA…

we have iran telling the world, they will wipe american and isreal off the map…

sooooo peaceful, i know… it’s just ooozing from every oraface.

why are 5 years olds holding machine guns and screaming they will be a martyr.

why do the sunni’s and shite hate each other…

those people cant decide if they hate americans or each other more.

why did saddam gas the kurds?

why did iran and iraq go to war?

yeah we got our problems over here, but those people are anything but peaceful.

their women are not peaceful either, they are opressed and told to shut the fuck up… i’m sure if they were allowed to talk, they’d be crazy too. (only because all women are crazy)
but they dont get a pass just because they arent allowed to leave the house.

for the record, i think she should receieve the stiffest punishment possible for her location, i just dont think religion should come into play.

–WS4

[quote]WS4JB wrote:
If you ever read the Koran, you would see that it sends a very peaceful message.[/quote]

What a statement. You have never read the Koran, beyond doubt, else you would not have written this. You seem to be creating the appearance above that you’ve read the Koran, which cannot be the case. Maybe you read a few short excerpts thus making it easy to miss the point?

I have read at least 2/3 of it, not the entirety (as generally the “poetry” parts were tedious to me) and the above comment is just so far off base as to be unbelievable. It’s full of instructions to kill all who do not submit to Islam, and full of murderous examples. It’s a main theme. Mohammed himself was a mass murderer according to the account of the Koran. Notable mass murders being of an entire large assembly of people in a caravan, so as to steal their goods, and a large number of Jews, simply for being Jewish. Anyone who wants to follow the example of Mohammed can really only do so by being a murderer, killing people as he did.

What’s the #1 way to please their God, moreso than anything else can? Why, killing an “unbeliever.”

“Peaceful?” Um, how about “not.”

You are aware that almost every shooting war in the world today has Muslims on at least one side? Why is that, pure coincidence?

Why would anyone claim the Koran “sends a peaceful message?” Other than perhaps being a victim of disinformation from the “politically correct,” wherein any group opposed to America is to be admired and apologized for, the more opposed the more admired and more apologized for? There are people like this, and so of course, those who have the major goal of their life killing “unbelievers,” especially Americans, ought to be praised and defended. I doubt you are that way, but only from such a facts-reversing bias could your source have possibly written or told you that the Koran “sends a very peaceful message.” Yeah, the Communists weren’t killers either. (Same phenomenon.)

Anyway, regardless of the murderous instructions in the Koran with regard to “infidels,” I don’t think there’s anything associated with that belief system that makes a person more likely to kill their own child (other than for being an infidel, not the case here.) So if this woman is, that seems coincidence only.

I’d hit it…with a tire iron

How the fuck did this turn into a religious “discussion?”

[quote]WS4JB wrote:
Ok, ive been raised roman catholic, went through the school system all the way through graduation, and i was forced to learn about other forms of religion, so i feel compelled to say this.

Christianity is not the only branch of faith that says you should be kind to each other. Even if someone is a practicing Muslim, or Athiest, they are going to practice an idea that they should show all others respect.

But then we see the extremist, like those who participated in the attacks of 9/11 and people assume and all muslims want to fly a plane into our buildings. If you ever read the Koran, you would see that it sends a very peaceful message.

Actually, all instructions in the Koran re. kindness and respect of others is restricted to other Moslems. All Infidels are to be exterminated.
You can not judge an entire religion by a group of extremist, just look at christians who bomb an abortion clinic and then say a Hail Mary that it was a success, yet we wouldnt claim that all christians want to blow up an abortion clinic.
–WS4[/quote]

[quote]blitzkrg wrote:
WildCelt wrote:
blitzkrg wrote:
WildCelt wrote:
Christian?
Atheist?
Moslem?
Animist?

I wonder.

so what if he is a christian?

what fucking good does an atheist or a muslim do?

yeah i get they are holier than thou and all that, but at least the christian message says be good to each other…
dont go out and blow your self up…

sure they are fucked up just like every other religion, but IMO they are fucked up the least and do the most good work.

Ummm. That was sorta my point.

Different worldviews result in different behaviors. Although not everyone that claims to be a Christian has been a good ambassador for the name.

I sorta had her figured to be a Moslem, but maybe I’m just still pissed-off over 9-11.

your point was a little unclear…

[/quote]

You are right. Sorry. But I surely wasn’t singling out Christians either.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
If you ever read the Koran, you would see that it sends a very peaceful message.

What a statement. You have never read the Koran, beyond doubt, else you would not have written this. You seem to be creating the appearance above that you’ve read the Koran, which cannot be the case. Maybe you read a few short excerpts thus making it easy to miss the point?

I have read at least 2/3 of it, not the entirety (as generally the “poetry” parts were tedious to me) and the above comment is just so far off base as to be unbelievable. It’s full of instructions to kill all who do not submit to Islam, and full of murderous examples. It’s a main theme. Mohammed himself was a mass murderer according to the account of the Koran. Notable mass murders being of an entire large assembly of people in a caravan, so as to steal their goods, and a large number of Jews, simply for being Jewish. Anyone who wants to follow the example of Mohammed can really only do so by being a murderer, killing people as he did.

What’s the #1 way to please their God, moreso than anything else can? Why, killing an “unbeliever.”

“Peaceful?” Um, how about “not.”

You are aware that almost every shooting war in the world today has Muslims on at least one side? Why is that, pure coincidence?

Why would anyone claim the Koran “sends a peaceful message?” Other than perhaps being a victim of disinformation from the “politically correct,” wherein any group opposed to America is to be admired and apologized for, the more opposed the more admired and more apologized for? There are people like this, and so of course, those who have the major goal of their life killing “unbelievers,” especially Americans, ought to be praised and defended. I doubt you are that way, but only from such a facts-reversing bias could your source have possibly written or told you that the Koran “sends a very peaceful message.” Yeah, the Communists weren’t killers either. (Same phenomenon.)

Anyway, regardless of the murderous instructions in the Koran with regard to “infidels,” I don’t think there’s anything associated with that belief system that makes a person more likely to kill their own child (other than for being an infidel, not the case here.) So if this woman is, that seems coincidence only.[/quote]

Great post. The Christian Bible has it’s fair share of that kind of talk:

Deuteronomy 13
"6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people."

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
If you ever read the Koran, you would see that it sends a very peaceful message.

What a statement. You have never read the Koran, beyond doubt, else you would not have written this. You seem to be creating the appearance above that you’ve read the Koran, which cannot be the case. Maybe you read a few short excerpts thus making it easy to miss the point?

I have read at least 2/3 of it, not the entirety (as generally the “poetry” parts were tedious to me) and the above comment is just so far off base as to be unbelievable. It’s full of instructions to kill all who do not submit to Islam, and full of murderous examples. It’s a main theme. Mohammed himself was a mass murderer according to the account of the Koran. Notable mass murders being of an entire large assembly of people in a caravan, so as to steal their goods, and a large number of Jews, simply for being Jewish. Anyone who wants to follow the example of Mohammed can really only do so by being a murderer, killing people as he did.

What’s the #1 way to please their God, moreso than anything else can? Why, killing an “unbeliever.”

“Peaceful?” Um, how about “not.”

You are aware that almost every shooting war in the world today has Muslims on at least one side? Why is that, pure coincidence?

Why would anyone claim the Koran “sends a peaceful message?” Other than perhaps being a victim of disinformation from the “politically correct,” wherein any group opposed to America is to be admired and apologized for, the more opposed the more admired and more apologized for? There are people like this, and so of course, those who have the major goal of their life killing “unbelievers,” especially Americans, ought to be praised and defended. I doubt you are that way, but only from such a facts-reversing bias could your source have possibly written or told you that the Koran “sends a very peaceful message.” Yeah, the Communists weren’t killers either. (Same phenomenon.)

Anyway, regardless of the murderous instructions in the Koran with regard to “infidels,” I don’t think there’s anything associated with that belief system that makes a person more likely to kill their own child (other than for being an infidel, not the case here.) So if this woman is, that seems coincidence only.[/quote]

What I have found is that it is not so much that they want to non-believers as it is that they want to destroy the opposition to their religion. The idea of many muslims is that the U.S., and Western World in general are a direct opposition to their religion and a detriment to the world as a whole; that is why they want to destroy it. It still really is no excuse but that seems to be the way they feel.

Getting back to the original topic: this woman should be thrown in prison and given the help that she needs. Of course she probably will not get to bad a penalty, just like most of the people who hurt kids in any way. As a nation people are more concerned about crimes that have to do with their money or possesions than they are about children. I personally feel that anyone that hurts children, in any serious way, should be dragged out into the street and shot.

For anyone that doesn’t believe me about penalties for stealing large amounts of money are worse than those for hurting kids go onto the national sex offender page and look at the people around you. Most of the people on there have what crimes they commited next to their names. See how many of them had crimes against young children. Then go look at the news and see who is being locked up for stealing money and look at their punishments. The justice system in this country really has to get straightened out.

You think thats bad?

Here in Virginia,where I live,there was a case much like that one.
The only difference is after the women finished cooking the baby,she gave it to her husband to eat. After taking a bite or two,he simply asked," Hunny,where is our baby?"
She gave him no answer,and was acting quite oblivious to what had just happened.
He then went into the kids room and the baby was not there.
He later found out what had happened and got really sick.
That was it.
I never heard of that women again. They didn’t even print it in the local news paper.

[quote]PGA wrote:
How the fuck did this turn into a religious “discussion?”[/quote]

“disaster” might be more appropriate if T-Nation’s history of arguments is any sign of what is to come.

[quote]smallnomore wrote:

Great post. The Christian Bible has it’s fair share of that kind of talk:
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Hmm, perhaps you can try “context,” and see if what you cite comprises general instructions true for general situations, or refers to a specific situation and not generally.

Of course, you may be interested only in trying to establish “moral equivalence,” rather than actually finding the meaning of things.

You might also try seeing how many Jewish and Christian religious teachers or leaders go teaching that one ought to kill non-believers, and also see how many Muslim leaders teach this. Of course, I expect you’ll find moral equivalence there too.

As I said, this being a case of baby-killing the religion probably has nothing to do with it, and is irrelevant. However, it’s pretty appalling to see how as soon as Islamic terrorist war was undertaken against the United States, exactly how rapidly it become popular among a given group to tout Islam as being peaceful. Please, let’s not tell untruths. It is not a religion that teaches peace, quite the contrary. As much as some may wish to praise and support those that oppose our country, no matter what the situation that comes out the same every time, as some do.

[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
And yes, the oven was turned ON when the baby was found!

Anyone NOT for capitol punishment in this case?

http://www.local10.com/news/10715776/detail.html

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/89060/Woman_Charged_With_Child_Abuse_For_Putting_Baby_In_Oven

The baby may have permanent brain damage from not getting enough oxygen for several minutes, and from inhaling the gas from the oven.

What a sick piece of shit this person is.
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Capital punishment should be given in the same manner. Put the bitch in an oven, and turn on the heat. Throw her ass in the sewer after she turns a nice blistery red. Then you know she’s done.

Mike

Save your religious discussions for the politics forum, this has nothing to do with religion.

WTF possesses someone to do this? She should be shot on the spot.

[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
You think thats bad?

Here in Virginia,where I live,there was a case much like that one.
The only difference is after the women finished cooking the baby,she gave it to her husband to eat. After taking a bite or two,he simply asked," Hunny,where is our baby?"
She gave him no answer,and was acting quite oblivious to what had just happened.
He then went into the kids room and the baby was not there.
He later found out what had happened and got really sick.
That was it.
I never heard of that women again. They didn’t even print it in the local news paper.[/quote]

No way. Seriously, that’s not possible.

I bet you heard this from a friend, who heard it from their friend, who heard it from their friend…etc, etc, etc.

I refuse to believe that something like that can happen.

sticks head back in the sand

That woman should just be shot in the head end of story.

Not too long ago in Fort Smith Arkansas a man killed his girlfriend and two children I believe. He put the son in the oven, I guess trying to dispose of the body by cooking it? Well obviously it didn’t work.

When the cops showed up to the door he said, I’m read… take me in.

Now I hear he is pleading not guilty?

Maybe I dont have the facts completely straight, but thats ppretty close if I remember correctly.

I think if guilt is obvious and easily proven such as in these cases, then the person should really just be taken out back of the courthouse and shot in the head.

I am not defending the womans actions in any way, but-

When you sit down at the movie theater, and watch 300, please react with the same disgust when you see the spartans killing the deformed babies.