Gratuitous Use of the N Word?

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]KellyCan wrote:
I am British born,Mother English,Father Yugoslavian and we experienced racism on a daily basis in our neighborhood…the word used towards my Father and us was ‘Foreigner’ now i find personally that word really insulting because of what it means to me and how it was used against us…we would go to church with a family from the West Indies and neighbors would say “bloody foreigners they all stick together” socially separating us from themselves.

I would never call someone the n word because its just a total lack of respect and we are all intelligent enough and have read enough to know what it means and what you are suggesting by using it towards someone who is black and knowing that i don’t understand why anyone would want the right to use such a word.

By using a word to oppress you are saying you are superior to that individual which is why you will get smacked in the mouth… [/quote]

Not the same. Not even close.

There is no phenomena of which I am aware anywhere else in the world or with any other word that mimics the current use of nigger or nigga. In your example, your fellow brits didn’t go around saying to each other, “what up you bloody foreigner” or, “foreigner are you crazy?”. They don’t punctuate language with “foreigner” to each other or for comic effect. It’s just not the same. The N word here is a bit more complicated because it’s not strictly a slur. [/quote]

I wasn’t comparing…

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

What is your point. You can’t hind not liking big noses. Can’t hide a southern accent and all the negative connotations that go with it. What’s so special about darker skin?
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My husband was born and raised in Texas. Some members of his family have significant accents. His is less prominent, but present. However, when he’s in a business meeting and needs to represent himself as sharp and competent it’s barely discernible. Similarly, I was born in NY and grew up on Long Island and in New Jersey and Connecticut. When I got to Connecticut and kids made fun of the way I said “dog” and “water” I fixed the way I said those things. When I was waitressing for tips in Richmond, Virginia I got rid of my Northeastern accent altogether and replaced my use of “you guys” with “y’all.” At this point I am under the impression that it is not possible to regionalize me by accent. Strong accents disadvantage. They are markers for educational and intellectual deficits, just as slovenly written skills are.

As for the kike thing, I will merely say that the word bothers me not at all (half European Jew, half Irish Catholic) HOWEVER if someone with a German accent were to call me Jew, Jew-girl, Kike, or any variation of Juden that I pick up as being a distinct identifier…I would go fucking crazy and while I don’t fight I would certainly escalate things to such a degree that if my husband were present there would be a fight.

I can’t even imagine the rage I would feel if I were black and a white stranger called me a nigger. And I’m pretty cheery and mild as people go.


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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
And I’m pretty cheery and mild as people go.[/quote]

It has just occurred to me that perhaps this isn’t actually true. So I retract it.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I cannot think of one expression of word describing white people that will demean me or hurt me…they may elicit an aggressive response from me out of a feeling of disrespect or insult, but there is no such word that can compete with the history and hate of “nigger”. [/quote]

Truth!


WHY?? Why can’t we let this fuckin thread DIE??? 18 Pages of this shit. Just stop it seriously. I say this with all due respect but:

FUCK YOU STEELY D for bringing this rotten thread back to life. ESPECIALLY seeing that it was started by a race baiting troll.

Good Job T-Nation you have devolved the lowest form of existence…political pundits.

Bravo

[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
WHY?? Why can’t we let this fuckin thread DIE??? 18 Pages of this shit. Just stop it seriously. I say this with all due respect but:

FUCK YOU STEELY D for bringing this rotten thread back to life. ESPECIALLY seeing that it was started by a race baiting troll.

Good Job T-Nation you have devolved the lowest form of existence…political pundits.

Bravo [/quote]

…this is the GAL forum, right?

Please don’t tell me people are so sensitive that they can’t discuss issues of race on the off-topic section of an internet forum.

[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
WHY?? Why can’t we let this fuckin thread DIE??? 18 Pages of this shit. Just stop it seriously. I say this with all due respect but:

FUCK YOU STEELY D for bringing this rotten thread back to life. ESPECIALLY seeing that it was started by a race baiting troll.

Good Job T-Nation you have devolved the lowest form of existence…political pundits.

Bravo [/quote]

Pootie Tang, perhaps you missed the memo but the internet is no longer designated as required reading. You’re allowed to skim vast portions of it and in fact will not be given any penalties if you skip the entire thing!

Enjoy your newfound freedom!

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

What is your point. You can’t hind not liking big noses. Can’t hide a southern accent and all the negative connotations that go with it. What’s so special about darker skin?
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My husband was born and raised in Texas. Some members of his family have significant accents. His is less prominent, but present. However, when he’s in a business meeting and needs to represent himself as sharp and competent it’s barely discernible. Similarly, I was born in NY and grew up on Long Island and in New Jersey and Connecticut. When I got to Connecticut and kids made fun of the way I said “dog” and “water” I fixed the way I said those things. When I was waitressing for tips in Richmond, Virginia I got rid of my Northeastern accent altogether and replaced my use of “you guys” with “y’all.” At this point I am under the impression that it is not possible to regionalize me by accent. Strong accents disadvantage. They are markers for educational and intellectual deficits, just as slovenly written skills are.

As for the kike thing, I will merely say that the word bothers me not at all (half European Jew, half Irish Catholic) HOWEVER if someone with a German accent were to call me Jew, Jew-girl, Kike, or any variation of Juden that I pick up as being a distinct identifier…I would go fucking crazy and while I don’t fight I would certainly escalate things to such a degree that if my husband were present there would be a fight.

I can’t even imagine the rage I would feel if I were black and a white stranger called me a nigger. And I’m pretty cheery and mild as people go.[/quote]
So you think being a jew is a huge insult. Must be hard to wake up every day and run away from your genes.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:
yayayayayaya [/quote]

Dude what’s your point. You’re in this thread ranting away, trying to show off your perceived intellectualism but you’re getting no where. You need to shut the fuck up with the American History X bullshit.

The N-Word is in America’s cultural lexicon. It’s there because of slavery. It happened, it was awful. Society is slowly purging racism - Affirmative action and the like and mainly symbolic to emphasize equality. The fact that some white people feel threatened is ludicrous. Until you show us your own personal experience or show any documented evidence that you’re the subject of reverse prejudice by the establishment stfu. [/quote]
-The N-word was used by blacks themselves during older days without any humorous or negative connotations. It was even championed by some advocates for black rights.
-Blacks are there because of slavery, so what is your point? They don’t want to go back because
-The legacy of slavery (which is no worse than anything that goes on in Africa today) allowed them access to a life of dignity that they have been unable to build for themselves. The violence and slavery blacks carry out on each other every day (making neo-nazis or the KKK look like pussies) never comes with a silver lining.
-It’s not ludicrous. Read up some statistics. White women who cohabit or marry with black men are 12 times more likely to get killed. Blacks kill american whites at a rate 17 times higher than the other way around. Whites never rape blacks but blacks rape tens of thousands of white americans annually. Luckily for whites, most victims of black committed slayings are still black. You have to wonder how many white people were abused while blacks rioted over Rodney King (a criminal) or how many white girls were sexually assaulted while liberals were rallying about the Duke lacrosse hoax which was never believable in the first place. How many white lives are lost while Hollywood makes a movie about an isolated case of white on black crime.
-Countries like Finland pour disproportionate money on african refugees for doing nothing and go out of their way to protect their feelings from reality, just like America.

Expecting nothing of the african race and so never criticizing them for their underachievement while expecting near divinity from whites is arguably a form of racism against blacks itself (unable to make anything out of the unmatched resources of Africa while freezing, harshly barren countries like Iceland or Finland get routinely rated as the best to live, and only the last few generations have seen breathing, walking blacks) implicating that blacks need to be guided.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I blame this entire thread on the hippie generation who didn’t discipline their kids, who goes around thinking they can call someone a slur…without knowing the person…and not get their shit pushed in?[/quote]

Funny, I learned that on the playground before I was 6.

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I would much more expect it from someone of a conservative background that a flower child.
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Who do you think is more likely to give discipline to their children? Conservatives or hippies?

[quote]Dabba wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Dabba wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
That’s the thing people aren’t getting, doesn’t matter if Jews go around saying Kike or not. Don’t fucking call a Jew a Kike unless you want to deal with the consequences. Have some fucking respect. My friends know they can call me slurs all day long, my skins thick, but if some dude that I don’t know like that and starts spouting off at the mouth…I don’t know him, he insulted me, and he be damned if he thinks he can disrespect me and I won’t defend myself.

I don’t accept intolerance bullshit, and that shit is just intolerant.[/quote]

Well ok…I don’t disagree with that. However, that doesn’t say anything about the double standard that is incurred with the “N” word. The fact is, other races just don’t go around using charged racial slurs about themselves to each other like that. It’s just a strange phenomenon, so I can’t really blame whites for feeling uneasy about it.
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Well, don’t come to my house, your mind will be blown.[/quote]

I bet.
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Oh and their all dark skinned people, in case you’re wondering.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I blame this entire thread on the hippie generation who didn’t discipline their kids, who goes around thinking they can call someone a slur…without knowing the person…and not get their shit pushed in?[/quote]

Funny, I learned that on the playground before I was 6.

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I would much more expect it from someone of a conservative background that a flower child.
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Who do you think is more likely to give discipline to their children? Conservatives or hippies?[/quote]

The civil rights movement was heavily pushed by the left… and yes, hippies.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I blame this entire thread on the hippie generation who didn’t discipline their kids, who goes around thinking they can call someone a slur…without knowing the person…and not get their shit pushed in?[/quote]

Funny, I learned that on the playground before I was 6.

[/quote]

I would much more expect it from someone of a conservative background that a flower child.
[/quote]

Who do you think is more likely to give discipline to their children? Conservatives or hippies?[/quote]

The civil rights movement was heavily pushed by the left… and yes, hippies.
[/quote]

Hippies are more likely to discipline their children?

[quote]Alffi wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

What is your point. You can’t hind not liking big noses. Can’t hide a southern accent and all the negative connotations that go with it. What’s so special about darker skin?
[/quote]

My husband was born and raised in Texas. Some members of his family have significant accents. His is less prominent, but present. However, when he’s in a business meeting and needs to represent himself as sharp and competent it’s barely discernible. Similarly, I was born in NY and grew up on Long Island and in New Jersey and Connecticut. When I got to Connecticut and kids made fun of the way I said “dog” and “water” I fixed the way I said those things. When I was waitressing for tips in Richmond, Virginia I got rid of my Northeastern accent altogether and replaced my use of “you guys” with “y’all.” At this point I am under the impression that it is not possible to regionalize me by accent. Strong accents disadvantage. They are markers for educational and intellectual deficits, just as slovenly written skills are.

As for the kike thing, I will merely say that the word bothers me not at all (half European Jew, half Irish Catholic) HOWEVER if someone with a German accent were to call me Jew, Jew-girl, Kike, or any variation of Juden that I pick up as being a distinct identifier…I would go fucking crazy and while I don’t fight I would certainly escalate things to such a degree that if my husband were present there would be a fight.

I can’t even imagine the rage I would feel if I were black and a white stranger called me a nigger. And I’m pretty cheery and mild as people go.[/quote]
So you think being a jew is a huge insult. Must be hard to wake up every day and run away from your genes.[/quote]

Did I say that? No. I don’t worry about it at all, and in fact rarely think about it. I’m an American and as such family religious background and ethnicity matter very little in comparison to other identifiers, such as economic and educational attainment.

But that sort of proves the point that I can choose to highlight it as an aspect of my makeup or not, as I see fit. Black people don’t have that choice.

But at any rate I am very specific that only the people whose near ancestors tried to exterminate people like me need to tread carefully with regard to using any potentially negative form of Jewish as an identifier for me. That’s not to say I dislike Germans. I don’t. My husband is part German, which is obvious looking at him, with his square jaw and outstanding posture. I simply say that I will not react well to people who sound like Heinrich Himmler calling me a name so recently used as a derogatory by the people of the Third Reich, who tortured and killed the people they called by these names.

Were I living in a country whose dominant race enslaved and oppressed my own, I would be very touchy indeed about the use of their identifiers, whether I allowed friends and sundry others to use them or not.

As BG said, it’s all context.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
WHY?? Why can’t we let this fuckin thread DIE??? 18 Pages of this shit. Just stop it seriously. I say this with all due respect but:

FUCK YOU STEELY D for bringing this rotten thread back to life. ESPECIALLY seeing that it was started by a race baiting troll.

Good Job T-Nation you have devolved the lowest form of existence…political pundits.

Bravo [/quote]

Pootie Tang, perhaps you missed the memo but the internet is no longer designated as required reading. You’re allowed to skim vast portions of it and in fact will not be given any penalties if you skip the entire thing!

Enjoy your newfound freedom![/quote]

It is indeed your prerogative to discuss whatever is in your interest. I just wanted to point out that this debate was not started by someone who truly wanted to discuss this topic. Their intent was to use a hot button topic to incite a response from the people that use this forum. As evidenced by the 18+ pages they were extremely successful in their aim.

If you want to play marionette to their puppet master then by all means go right ahead. I just wanted to point out the obvious manipulation that you have fallen for and continue to fall for, with gusto. Congrats. I will take my leave of this discussion as is my right to.

[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
WHY?? Why can’t we let this fuckin thread DIE??? 18 Pages of this shit. Just stop it seriously. I say this with all due respect but:

FUCK YOU STEELY D for bringing this rotten thread back to life. ESPECIALLY seeing that it was started by a race baiting troll.

Good Job T-Nation you have devolved the lowest form of existence…political pundits.

Bravo [/quote]

Pootie Tang, perhaps you missed the memo but the internet is no longer designated as required reading. You’re allowed to skim vast portions of it and in fact will not be given any penalties if you skip the entire thing!

Enjoy your newfound freedom![/quote]

It is indeed your prerogative to discuss whatever is in your interest. I just wanted to point out that this debate was not started by someone who truly wanted to discuss this topic. Their intent was to use a hot button topic to incite a response from the people that use this forum. As evidenced by the 18+ pages they were extremely successful in their aim.

If you want to play marionette to their puppet master then by all means go right ahead. I just wanted to point out the obvious manipulation that you have fallen for and continue to fall for, with gusto. Congrats. I will take my leave of this discussion as is my right to.[/quote]

I don’t know about you, Pootie, but if I’m looking for a Serious and Decisive experience I don’t usually seek it on Get A Life. What responses are my puppeteers gleefully inciting at my expense and for what nefarious purpose? I’m typing nothing more or less than my own thoughts and beliefs.

I’m not sure how I’ve fallen for a manipulation when this costs me nothing, emotionally or materially.

The sadness of this thread is there is SOME honest discussion over a real problem. A real problem that has little to do with a word an more to with the intent that travel with the word.
The words power comes from the intent of the user or assumed intent of the surrounding parties.
The word has a real history not the made up half truth that some use this thread to spread.
People came in here to have a real conversation on the subject but it goes nowhere because the thread is poisoned from the start with the OP’s lies and refusal to admit to any view other than his original intention, which is the same as Alfie So we let it continue instead of letting it Die.

Pootie had the right idea, but like months ago I also got drawn into a conversation with no give or take.

The real world is not Hollywood people Not TV, if any one is confused let me say it plain. I’m a black adult over 40 I’m not basing my view of this over something that started hundreds of years ago. I don’t need to look any further than my own life.

Whoever believes that if I sad that word In a professional setting I would not be in trouble is insane an they would have every right to do so.

If anyone wants use of that word in a setting they are not sure of I encourage you to do so come back start a new thread and tell me how it turned out if your honest with me I’ll be honest with you.

If one day someone has a real issue an starts a thread with hell I’ll be pulled back in because the topic does still to this day affects lives on both sides.

But this spot is just an open invite for poison an a forum for hate which just leads to confuse those that look on.

Good luck

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I blame this entire thread on the hippie generation who didn’t discipline their kids, who goes around thinking they can call someone a slur…without knowing the person…and not get their shit pushed in?[/quote]

Funny, I learned that on the playground before I was 6.

[/quote]

I would much more expect it from someone of a conservative background that a flower child.
[/quote]

Who do you think is more likely to give discipline to their children? Conservatives or hippies?[/quote]

The civil rights movement was heavily pushed by the left… and yes, hippies.
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More history fail on T-Nation if you’re implying that “The Left” was the only political leaning that pushed “civil rights”. “The Left” jumped on board was was an inevitable course of action that was ‘pushed’ by ‘conservatives’ for decades before. The Democrats of the day were the ones that most heavily opposed (and filibustered) much of the ‘civil rights’ bills in the years preceding 1964. MLK-Jr was a Republican-- hardly a poster child for “the Left” of the day.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I blame this entire thread on the hippie generation who didn’t discipline their kids, who goes around thinking they can call someone a slur…without knowing the person…and not get their shit pushed in?[/quote]

Funny, I learned that on the playground before I was 6.

[/quote]

I would much more expect it from someone of a conservative background that a flower child.
[/quote]

Who do you think is more likely to give discipline to their children? Conservatives or hippies?[/quote]

The civil rights movement was heavily pushed by the left… and yes, hippies.
[/quote]

More history fail on T-Nation if you’re implying that “The Left” was the only political leaning that pushed “civil rights”. “The Left” jumped on board was was an inevitable course of action that was ‘pushed’ by ‘conservatives’ for decades before. The Democrats of the day were the ones that most heavily opposed (and filibustered) much of the ‘civil rights’ bills in the years preceding 1964. MLK-Jr was a Republican-- hardly a poster child for “the Left” of the day.[/quote]

LOL @ this

Someone forgot the Democrats and Republicans traded places.