For real? Blocked cause of white ownership? LOL at people saying there’s no double standard. If true this is ludicrous. Just like when I got fired from Champ’s sports cuz I didn’t project the hood image they were looking for. People wanna pretend shit like this doesn’t happen.
[/quote]
I don’t believe for one minute you got fired for your stated reason. And if this is true, you should retain a lawyer and seek redress. Simple. As. That.
Of course double standards exist. Is that what this thread is about? You’re an adult aren’t you? Where you been? That’s reality dude. Get used to it or get used to being angry.[/quote]
I’ll admit right now I’ll never be able to prove this, either on this forum or in a court. I don’t expect anyone to believe me, but this issue wouldn’t sit with me the way it does had I not been discriminated against. Take the story for what its worth to ya.
You are so missing my point. Yes, I would react the same way if the kids had been white. Yes I would react the same way if the officer was white. You are the one claiming race should be part of context, that’s why I included it. Yeah, shit happens. Shit happens to everybody. i let it roll off my back, which is once again my point.
So a black guy born and raised in south Africa payed for it huh? How exactly did professor X pay for it?[/quote]
I’m not sure I am. I said context is important as it concerns this thread…and this thread was about the use of the word “nigger” or its variations, most notably “nigga” - as if dropping the E and R magically makes it a different word but I digress :). You’re injecting different scenarios into this and I’ve responded to those specifically. You’ve introduced “racism” and “bias”. And given that race has nothing to do with the experiences you posted, what is your point?
And yes, X did pay for it. Racism still exists. He cannot hide being black like Jews could hide being Jewish, and so forth. If someone harbors racists feelings towards blacks (and they do), he cannot hide from that. And the fact of the matter is that his race paid with slavery, discrimination and oppression…so yes, they “own” the word. I think they have earned that. Why does that trouble you so much?
How do you begin to even liken the condition of whites to those of blacks? In what way are your experiences as a white man at all instructive on the experiences of blacks in America? You offered examples, now enlighten us and make your point.[/quote]
Race had everything to do with those scenarios I posted. They happened because of race. I don’t know how you arrived at the conclusion race had nothing to do with it.
“I cannot hide being white like Jews could hide being Jewish, and so forth. If someone harbors racists feelings towards whites (and they do), I cannot hide from that.”
What is your point. You can’t hind not liking big noses. Can’t hide a southern accent and all the negative connotations that go with it. What’s so special about darker skin?
It doesn’t trouble me, you’re just wrong.
“How do you begin to even liken the condition of whites to those of blacks? In what way are your experiences as a white man at all instructive on the experiences of blacks in America? You offered examples, now enlighten us and make your point.”
Now you need to be more specific, ancestry or actual people?
What experience has X had that I haven’t had and can’t be equally applied in reverse?
I can continue to name specific resent examples of similar experiences if you wish.
The town of Greenwood’s black city counsel blocked the building of a “Low’s” (something the town needed) for the official reason that it was going to have white ownership. Now you tell me how that isn’t instructive for me.
[/quote]
Yes, you cannot hide being white. But you are very unlikely to be denied employment or
housing because you’re white.
[/quote]
Very untrue. It depends on specifics. It is reasonably likely and downright commonplace some places.
Pull that one out of your magical ass? Now you know what I’ve suffered? This is pure fabrication
No. My ancestral argument is that if you are tying ownership to ancestry, then we all have ancestry. It’s the ancestry “earning” something in your argument that doesn’t impress me.
You simple do not know that.
Really? because it has.
More BS. Depends on where you live. Maybe in NJ, but NJ ain’t everywhere.
It’s not the same for any 2 individuals period. So?
I was denied a hardware store and continued to have to drive an hour and a half to do something as simple as buy lumber. That’s something.
As likely that it would happen in reverse today.
You’ve never heard of affirmative action? My dad lost his first job so the company could hire a less qualified minority and get a tax break. Not only is that legal, it’s actually encouraged by law. I mean you are acting like you’ve never heard of these things before. I know you aren’t that ignorant.
[quote]
It is NOT the same. If your goal was to illustrate that racism occurs against whites too, we all knew that. Mankind has engaged in discrimination from the beginning. [/quote]
My point is Shit Happens. To be clear, I’m not here complaining or claiming to be a poor mistreated white kid. I am very privileged. I consider myself rich with all the opportunity I’ve been afforded in life. My point is that shit happens to everyone. No one is special in that way because of race. An ignorant cop is an ignorant cop whether he is making fun of you for your race or the color of your hair. I still don’t see the difference. People tend, for some reason, to make a much bigger deal out of this one specific ignorance. That’s what I don’t get.
And no offense, but I personally see this fake BS claim to ownership of some mystical chip on your shoulder because you were born a certain color to be what truly disrespects the memory of people who actually had it bad.
I’m not denying the horrors of things like slavery I’m denying people like professor X who liken their life to it.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I cannot find any reference for this now dubious story of Greenwood blocking a Lowes because of white ownership. Please provide link and reference for review.[/quote]
It was business as usual, not a big news story. Which is exactly my point. You could check through the local paper archives or “The delta dirt” if you wanted. Officially, they approved the building with the condition of a certain percentage of black ownership.
For real? Blocked cause of white ownership? LOL at people saying there’s no double standard. If true this is ludicrous. Just like when I got fired from Champ’s sports cuz I didn’t project the hood image they were looking for. People wanna pretend shit like this doesn’t happen.
[/quote]
I don’t believe for one minute you got fired for your stated reason. And if this is true, you should retain a lawyer and seek redress. Simple. As. That.
Of course double standards exist. Is that what this thread is about? You’re an adult aren’t you? Where you been? That’s reality dude. Get used to it or get used to being angry.[/quote]
I understand they exist and that’s life, and to some extent yes, you have to deal with it. The problem I see is when it starts to become so accepted that people don’t even see it as a problem. The idea that if you’re white you’re allowed no complaints will never sit well with me. Fucked up shit happens all the time, yes, but that doesn’t mean it SHOULD.[/quote]
Well, I guess I don’t get it because you call me white boy, or disrespect me, we’re throwing down. When I was on the courts like you, I was the only white guy there too. And I EARNED my respect. Call me white boy, and I’m replying what’s up black BOY. And if we gotta throw down we throw the fuck down.
I had words with someone the other night in a Camden liquor store around the corner from my social club. He was doing this passive / aggressive bitch shit talking about “cop” but not saying it to me directly, but so I could hear it. And you know what? I stepped to him.
But you know what? After reflecting on that, and this thread, and my own judgments that I make daily, maybe he can be forgiven for thinking I’m a cop because the only white people he sees down there that aren’t buying drugs ARE cops. Maybe I can give him some rope and shrug it off.
If you’re the only white boy there, maybe you give some rope, because you are a “white boy”. Shit, I thought of starting an apparel line called “white boyz”. Give me some hoodies and knit hats with white boyz on it and I’m rocking it. LOL.
But disrespect is just disrespect and sometimes it’s only wrapped in the illusion of “racism”. Them calling you white boy can have as much or more to do with just not respecting you as it does your actual race. Feel me?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I cannot find any reference for this now dubious story of Greenwood blocking a Lowes because of white ownership. Please provide link and reference for review.[/quote]
It was business as usual, not a big news story. Which is exactly my point. You could check through the local paper archives or “The delta dirt” if you wanted. Officially, they approved the building with the condition of a certain percentage of black ownership.[/quote]
Oh. So you weren’t really denied that lumber place you claimed to have been denied in your prior post. Hmm.
Listen, we will agree to disagree. I do not agree with your talking points and I still think you’re prone to making unsupported statements in rebuttal. I just don’t agree with you. I understand you, but I do not agree. And perhaps this is not the venue for such a detailed discussion. Maybe a PL workout and beer in TN one day. I’ll be down that way soon.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I blame this entire thread on the hippie generation who didn’t discipline their kids, who goes around thinking they can call someone a slur…without knowing the person…and not get their shit pushed in?[/quote]
Funny, I learned that on the playground before I was 6.
Yes, let’s argue over who gets to use a slur words, because you know lots of people are racists against themselves, so it’s unfair they get to call themselves a racial slur, but others that have historically been racists towards them don’t get a free pass to use the word when they want to without consequences.
That’s like an Arab getting pissed off because he can’t say Kike to some random Jew he doesn’t know without getting his face beat in.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Yes, let’s argue over who gets to use a slur words, because you know lots of people are racists against themselves, so it’s unfair they get to call themselves a racial slur, but others that have historically been racists towards them don’t get a free pass to use the word when they want to without consequences.
That’s like an Arab getting pissed off because he can’t say Kike to some random Jew he doesn’t know without getting his face beat in.[/quote]
For real? Blocked cause of white ownership? LOL at people saying there’s no double standard. If true this is ludicrous. Just like when I got fired from Champ’s sports cuz I didn’t project the hood image they were looking for. People wanna pretend shit like this doesn’t happen.
[/quote]
I don’t believe for one minute you got fired for your stated reason. And if this is true, you should retain a lawyer and seek redress. Simple. As. That.
Of course double standards exist. Is that what this thread is about? You’re an adult aren’t you? Where you been? That’s reality dude. Get used to it or get used to being angry.[/quote]
I understand they exist and that’s life, and to some extent yes, you have to deal with it. The problem I see is when it starts to become so accepted that people don’t even see it as a problem. The idea that if you’re white you’re allowed no complaints will never sit well with me. Fucked up shit happens all the time, yes, but that doesn’t mean it SHOULD.[/quote]
Well, I guess I don’t get it because you call me white boy, or disrespect me, we’re throwing down. When I was on the courts like you, I was the only white guy there too. And I EARNED my respect. Call me white boy, and I’m replying what’s up black BOY. And if we gotta throw down we throw the fuck down.
I had words with someone the other night in a Camden liquor store around the corner from my social club. He was doing this passive / aggressive bitch shit talking about “cop” but not saying it to me directly, but so I could hear it. And you know what? I stepped to him.
But you know what? After reflecting on that, and this thread, and my own judgments that I make daily, maybe he can be forgiven for thinking I’m a cop because the only white people he sees down there that aren’t buying drugs ARE cops. Maybe I can give him some rope and shrug it off.
If you’re the only white boy there, maybe you give some rope, because you are a “white boy”. Shit, I thought of starting an apparel line called “white boyz”. Give me some hoodies and knit hats with white boyz on it and I’m rocking it. LOL.
But disrespect is just disrespect and sometimes it’s only wrapped in the illusion of “racism”. Them calling you white boy can have as much or more to do with just not respecting you as it does your actual race. Feel me?[/quote]
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Yes, let’s argue over who gets to use a slur words, because you know lots of people are racists against themselves, so it’s unfair they get to call themselves a racial slur, but others that have historically been racists towards them don’t get a free pass to use the word when they want to without consequences.
That’s like an Arab getting pissed off because he can’t say Kike to some random Jew he doesn’t know without getting his face beat in.[/quote]
Jews go around calling each other kikes? Funny, I’ve never heard any say that and I’ve been around plenty my entire life.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Yes, let’s argue over who gets to use a slur words, because you know lots of people are racists against themselves, so it’s unfair they get to call themselves a racial slur, but others that have historically been racists towards them don’t get a free pass to use the word when they want to without consequences.
That’s like an Arab getting pissed off because he can’t say Kike to some random Jew he doesn’t know without getting his face beat in.[/quote]
Jews go around calling each other kikes? Funny, I’ve never heard any say that and I’ve been around plenty my entire life.
Your analogy doesn’t make sense.[/quote]
That’s the thing people aren’t getting, doesn’t matter if Jews go around saying Kike or not. Don’t fucking call a Jew a Kike unless you want to deal with the consequences. Have some fucking respect. My friends know they can call me slurs all day long, my skins thick, but if some dude that I don’t know like that and starts spouting off at the mouth…I don’t know him, he insulted me, and he be damned if he thinks he can disrespect me and I won’t defend myself.
I don’t accept intolerance bullshit, and that shit is just intolerant.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
That’s the thing people aren’t getting, doesn’t matter if Jews go around saying Kike or not. Don’t fucking call a Jew a Kike unless you want to deal with the consequences. Have some fucking respect. My friends know they can call me slurs all day long, my skins thick, but if some dude that I don’t know like that and starts spouting off at the mouth…I don’t know him, he insulted me, and he be damned if he thinks he can disrespect me and I won’t defend myself.
I don’t accept intolerance bullshit, and that shit is just intolerant.[/quote]
Well ok…I don’t disagree with that. However, that doesn’t say anything about the double standard that is incurred with the “N” word. The fact is, other races just don’t go around using charged racial slurs about themselves to each other like that. It’s just a strange phenomenon, so I can’t really blame whites for feeling uneasy about it.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
That’s the thing people aren’t getting, doesn’t matter if Jews go around saying Kike or not. Don’t fucking call a Jew a Kike unless you want to deal with the consequences. Have some fucking respect. My friends know they can call me slurs all day long, my skins thick, but if some dude that I don’t know like that and starts spouting off at the mouth…I don’t know him, he insulted me, and he be damned if he thinks he can disrespect me and I won’t defend myself.
I don’t accept intolerance bullshit, and that shit is just intolerant.[/quote]
Well ok…I don’t disagree with that. However, that doesn’t say anything about the double standard that is incurred with the “N” word. The fact is, other races just don’t go around using charged racial slurs about themselves to each other like that. It’s just a strange phenomenon, so I can’t really blame whites for feeling uneasy about it.
[/quote]
Well, don’t come to my house, your mind will be blown.
I am British born,Mother English,Father Yugoslavian and we experienced racism on a daily basis in our neighborhood…the word used towards my Father and us was ‘Foreigner’ now i find personally that word really insulting because of what it means to me and how it was used against us…we would go to church with a family from the West Indies and neighbors would say “bloody foreigners they all stick together” socially separating us from themselves.
I would never call someone the n word because its just a total lack of respect and we are all intelligent enough and have read enough to know what it means and what you are suggesting by using it towards someone who is black and knowing that i don’t understand why anyone would want the right to use such a word.
By using a word to oppress you are saying you are superior to that individual which is why you will get smacked in the mouth…
[quote]KellyCan wrote:
I am British born,Mother English,Father Yugoslavian and we experienced racism on a daily basis in our neighborhood…the word used towards my Father and us was ‘Foreigner’ now i find personally that word really insulting because of what it means to me and how it was used against us…we would go to church with a family from the West Indies and neighbors would say “bloody foreigners they all stick together” socially separating us from themselves.
I would never call someone the n word because its just a total lack of respect and we are all intelligent enough and have read enough to know what it means and what you are suggesting by using it towards someone who is black and knowing that i don’t understand why anyone would want the right to use such a word.
By using a word to oppress you are saying you are superior to that individual which is why you will get smacked in the mouth… [/quote]
Not the same. Not even close.
There is no phenomena of which I am aware anywhere else in the world or with any other word that mimics the current use of nigger or nigga. In your example, your fellow brits didn’t go around saying to each other, “what up you bloody foreigner” or, “foreigner are you crazy?”. They don’t punctuate language with “foreigner” to each other or for comic effect. It’s just not the same. The N word here is a bit more complicated because it’s not strictly a slur.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I cannot find any reference for this now dubious story of Greenwood blocking a Lowes because of white ownership. Please provide link and reference for review.[/quote]
It was business as usual, not a big news story. Which is exactly my point. You could check through the local paper archives or “The delta dirt” if you wanted. Officially, they approved the building with the condition of a certain percentage of black ownership.[/quote]
Oh. So you weren’t really denied that lumber place you claimed to have been denied in your prior post. Hmm.
Listen, we will agree to disagree. I do not agree with your talking points and I still think you’re prone to making unsupported statements in rebuttal. I just don’t agree with you. I understand you, but I do not agree. And perhaps this is not the venue for such a detailed discussion. Maybe a PL workout and beer in TN one day. I’ll be down that way soon.[/quote]
Yes, they denied it to white ownership exactly as I stated. And with a lack of black backers, the project fell through. That was the sugar coated public message from the council. The non-sugar coated real version is that they said “Hell no whitey!”
But I digress. I’m sure a lot of it has to do with our experience. Very different backgrounds.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Yes, let’s argue over who gets to use a slur words, because you know lots of people are racists against themselves, so it’s unfair they get to call themselves a racial slur, but others that have historically been racists towards them don’t get a free pass to use the word when they want to without consequences.
That’s like an Arab getting pissed off because he can’t say Kike to some random Jew he doesn’t know without getting his face beat in.[/quote]
18 pages and yet this sums it up perfectly.[/quote]
Not really, internal racism within a race is a real problem. There are some actual uncle Rukuses out there. Discrimination within a race may sound like a laughing matter, but it isn’t.
And you need to change your use from talking about people to talking about people’s ancestors. Although, when talking about ancestors, there is a lot of mixing so itâ??s really a mute point.
So pretty much, no, I don’t think it was a very good summation.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I blame this entire thread on the hippie generation who didn’t discipline their kids, who goes around thinking they can call someone a slur…without knowing the person…and not get their shit pushed in?[/quote]
Funny, I learned that on the playground before I was 6.
[/quote]
I would much more expect it from someone of a conservative background that a flower child.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
That’s the thing people aren’t getting, doesn’t matter if Jews go around saying Kike or not. Don’t fucking call a Jew a Kike unless you want to deal with the consequences. Have some fucking respect. My friends know they can call me slurs all day long, my skins thick, but if some dude that I don’t know like that and starts spouting off at the mouth…I don’t know him, he insulted me, and he be damned if he thinks he can disrespect me and I won’t defend myself.
I don’t accept intolerance bullshit, and that shit is just intolerant.[/quote]
Well ok…I don’t disagree with that. However, that doesn’t say anything about the double standard that is incurred with the “N” word. The fact is, other races just don’t go around using charged racial slurs about themselves to each other like that. It’s just a strange phenomenon, so I can’t really blame whites for feeling uneasy about it.
[/quote]
Well, don’t come to my house, your mind will be blown.[/quote]