Gratuitous Use of the N Word?

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Wait, were the two kids using “nigger” or “nigga” between themselves. I assume it was “nigga”.
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Who cares?

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So because no one at your gym saw cause to voice their opposition to this, or because no one had any opposition to this in the first place means that EVERYWHERE this is how it is? [/quote]

Who gives a shit about “everywhere”? Are you God? Who could possibly know how people feel everywhere? I am just letting you know that it is not the social stigma you seem to think it is. Now you are arguing with me as if I am unaware of how any black people feel about it.

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Bullshit. I live in a pretty white area, but when I lived in the Bay Area, a very diverse area, two white guys referring to themselves as “niggas” wouldn’t have gone over big with blacks. It certainly wouldn’t have with the blacks that I was/am friends with.[/quote]

Uh, did you miss what I wrote about how the person looks and acts? Being white isn’t the issue anymore. Being “stereotypically white” is. If you look and act like you grew up in the same neighborhoods, no one seems to give a shit. You act like people are too dumb to figure this out by looking at how you act and look.

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And since when does the way a white guy looks or dresses have anything to do with it? [/quote]

Uhm, since Hip Hop crossed over to include all races. Get a fucking clue.

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You mean to tell me that if some nerdy Weezer-wannabe uses the term nigga in the same manner as some urbanized white that the two uses carry different connotations or that one can use it and the other can’t? [/quote]

Gee, why would people ignore this? Where in society does how you look, dress and act not play a part?

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That’s bullshit too. That’s exactly what I was getting at with the use of nigga. Name one other word that certain people are “allowed” to use and others aren’t based on their ethnicity or their level of urbanization. There isn’t one. So why is nigga treated this way?[/quote]

Wow. So that whole “history of the fucking country” thing is something you are willing to ignore simply to focus on a word? In 50 years, it may not matter at all, but as long as people are still living who had their houses burned down while being called that word and as long as people are still breathing who had to drink out of “colored only” water fountains, expect the double standard.

It exists because the people who came before us fucked up racial relations and your unwillingness to even see this or acknowledge will only make it worse.

Trust me, no one cares whether you “get it”.

If you want to say the word, say it. Just accept and expect the consequences.

No one has said you can’t say it.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Words are just words. Words DO carry meaning but meaning is contextual. The same word can have different meanings depending on context and intention.

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And that is why it is ridiculous that the white guy got fired for saying nigger when blacks were using it in the same office. They were discussing “the symbolic burial of the word by the Philadelphia Youth Council of the NAACP.” The topic was the actual word “nigger”. It’s ridiculous in this discussion for the white guy to keep saying N word while black people in the office are saying nigger. He wasn’t using the word to insult anyone, he was discussing the actual word. What bullshit.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Wait, were the two kids using “nigger” or “nigga” between themselves. I assume it was “nigga”.
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Who cares?

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So because no one at your gym saw cause to voice their opposition to this, or because no one had any opposition to this in the first place means that EVERYWHERE this is how it is? [/quote]

Who gives a shit about “everywhere”? Are you God? Who could possibly know how people feel everywhere? I am just letting you know that it is the social stigma you seem to think it is. Now you are arguing with me as if I am unaware of how any black people feel about it.

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Bullshit. I live in a pretty white area, but when I lived in the Bay Area, a very diverse area, two white guys referring to themselves as “niggas” wouldn’t have gone over big with blacks. It certainly wouldn’t have with the blacks that I was/am friends with.[/quote]

Uh, did you miss what I wrote about how the person looks and acts? Being white isn’t the issue anymore. Being “stereotypically white” is. If you look and act like you grew up in the same neighborhoods, no one seems to give a shit. You act like people are too dumb to figure this out by looking at how you act and look.

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And since when does the way a white guy looks or dresses have anything to do with it? [/quote]

Uhm, since Hip Hop crossed over to include all races. Get a fucking clue.

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You mean to tell me that if some nerdy Weezer-wannabe uses the term nigga in the same manner as some urbanized white that the two uses carry different connotations or that one can use it and the other can’t? [/quote]

Gee, why would people ignore this? Where in society does how you look, dress and act not play a part?

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That’s bullshit too. That’s exactly what I was getting at with the use of nigga. Name one other word that certain people are “allowed” to use and others aren’t based on their ethnicity or their level of urbanization. There isn’t one. So why is nigga treated this way?[/quote]

Wow. So that whole “history of the fucking country” thing is something you are willing to ignore simply to focus on a word? In 50 years, it may not matter at all, but as long as people are still living who had their houses burned down while being called that word and as long as people are still breathing who had to drink out of “colored only” water fountains, expect the double standard.

It exists because the people who came before us fucked up racial relations and your unwillingness to even see this or acknowledge will only make it worse.

Trust me, no one cares whether you “get it”.

If you want to say the word, say it. Just accept and expect the consequences.

No one has said you can’t say it.[/quote]

Can you explain to me what being “stereotypically white” entails?

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[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Wait, were the two kids using “nigger” or “nigga” between themselves. I assume it was “nigga”.
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Who cares?

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So because no one at your gym saw cause to voice their opposition to this, or because no one had any opposition to this in the first place means that EVERYWHERE this is how it is? [/quote]

Who gives a shit about “everywhere”? Are you God? Who could possibly know how people feel everywhere? I am just letting you know that it is the social stigma you seem to think it is. Now you are arguing with me as if I am unaware of how any black people feel about it.

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Bullshit. I live in a pretty white area, but when I lived in the Bay Area, a very diverse area, two white guys referring to themselves as “niggas” wouldn’t have gone over big with blacks. It certainly wouldn’t have with the blacks that I was/am friends with.[/quote]

Uh, did you miss what I wrote about how the person looks and acts? Being white isn’t the issue anymore. Being “stereotypically white” is. If you look and act like you grew up in the same neighborhoods, no one seems to give a shit. You act like people are too dumb to figure this out by looking at how you act and look.

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And since when does the way a white guy looks or dresses have anything to do with it? [/quote]

Uhm, since Hip Hop crossed over to include all races. Get a fucking clue.

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You mean to tell me that if some nerdy Weezer-wannabe uses the term nigga in the same manner as some urbanized white that the two uses carry different connotations or that one can use it and the other can’t? [/quote]

Gee, why would people ignore this? Where in society does how you look, dress and act not play a part?

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That’s bullshit too. That’s exactly what I was getting at with the use of nigga. Name one other word that certain people are “allowed” to use and others aren’t based on their ethnicity or their level of urbanization. There isn’t one. So why is nigga treated this way?[/quote]

Wow. So that whole “history of the fucking country” thing is something you are willing to ignore simply to focus on a word? In 50 years, it may not matter at all, but as long as people are still living who had their houses burned down while being called that word and as long as people are still breathing who had to drink out of “colored only” water fountains, expect the double standard.

It exists because the people who came before us fucked up racial relations and your unwillingness to even see this or acknowledge will only make it worse.

Trust me, no one cares whether you “get it”.

If you want to say the word, say it. Just accept and expect the consequences.

No one has said you can’t say it.[/quote]

Can you explain to me what being “stereotypically white” entails?[/quote]

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[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

Can you explain to me what being “stereotypically white” entails?[/quote]

I have a strong feeling if anyone wrote “stereotypically black” in one their posts, he’d back asking them that same type of question.

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The only time I think its socially acceptable for me, a white guy, to use the N-Word is when I am alone in my truck–usually its when I am heading to meet my yuppie friends for golf–and I got the Cypress Hill cranked up to 11. Singing along with Cypress Hill gets my head right with ball for some reason.

A to the motherfucking K, homeboy, A to the motherfucking K.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Words are just words. Words DO carry meaning but meaning is contextual. The same word can have different meanings depending on context and intention.

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And that is why it is ridiculous that the white guy got fired for saying nigger when blacks were using it in the same office. They were discussing “the symbolic burial of the word by the Philadelphia Youth Council of the NAACP.” The topic was the actual word “nigger”. It’s ridiculous in this discussion for the white guy to keep saying N word while black people in the office are saying nigger. He wasn’t using the word to insult anyone, he was discussing the actual word. What bullshit.

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I agree with you, this firing is complete an utter bullshit. I hope he recovers against the station.

To give you some context here, you need to understand some things. The city of Philadelphia is a predominantly black city. It’s a city that lived through Mayor Rizzo and his police violence in black neighborhoods and a city where black Mayor Wilson Goode bombed MOVE and burned down a city block of homes. The point is, the city of Philadelphia is very much a racially divided city in many ways. Predominantly black areas such as North, West and Southwest Philadelphia are NOT integrated. It is against this backdrop that this incident occurred. I can almost guarantee you that the person or persons that complained were “seeking” to be offended rather than being genuinely offended.

For crying out loud, they were in a meeting discussing the word “nigger”. Now, we don’t know the results of the investigation so we cannot draw any firm conclusions…we are just speculating. But this is potentially a very troubling firing. I’d find it very hard to believe that an adult professional in the city of philadelphia would use the word in the workplace in an offensive manner. He’d have to be in a coma.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Words are just words. Words DO carry meaning but meaning is contextual. The same word can have different meanings depending on context and intention.

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And that is why it is ridiculous that the white guy got fired for saying nigger when blacks were using it in the same office. They were discussing “the symbolic burial of the word by the Philadelphia Youth Council of the NAACP.” The topic was the actual word “nigger”. It’s ridiculous in this discussion for the white guy to keep saying N word while black people in the office are saying nigger. He wasn’t using the word to insult anyone, he was discussing the actual word. What bullshit.

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LOL- that’s the link I bumped this thread with a page ago…

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Words are just words. Words DO carry meaning but meaning is contextual. The same word can have different meanings depending on context and intention.

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And that is why it is ridiculous that the white guy got fired for saying nigger when blacks were using it in the same office. They were discussing “the symbolic burial of the word by the Philadelphia Youth Council of the NAACP.” The topic was the actual word “nigger”. It’s ridiculous in this discussion for the white guy to keep saying N word while black people in the office are saying nigger. He wasn’t using the word to insult anyone, he was discussing the actual word. What bullshit.

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LOL- that’s the link I bumped this thread with a page ago…
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Yup I stole it from ya haha. I figured most people on this site are too lazy to go back a couple pages to reference it.

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Professor X:

Maybe I didn’t make my point clearly before. Why is it that a “stereotypically white” person doesn’t get away with saying nigger or nigga whereas other whites do? Does this mean that the closer a white is to being “stereotypically black” means that he gets to use the word without consequences? What is it about the word that makes it perfectly acceptable for blacks to use it amongst themselves or with their friends (including their white friends who “look black” or may be from “black” neighborhoods) and unacceptable for two “stereotypical” whites to use?

You’re right, hip-hop culture has crossed pretty much all racial divides. I am what you might call stereotypically white-looking. But I listen to almost exclusively “black” musicians, including a shitload of hip-hop. So apparently the hip-hop culture has reached me. But because of how I LOOK I can expect to suffer some sort of consequences for the use of the word nigga? Shit, when I smoked weed all the time, I smoked nothing but blunts and my two best friends were black as night. We came from the same neighborhood, the same street, went to the same schools, played the same sports, etc. But I never even then would have gotten away with clling them “my niggas” and they never once referred to me as “their nigga” even though they referred to themselves this way. Am I the exception to the rule? And what is the rule? That you can only use nigga free of consequences depending on how outwardly black you may look? I think that’s bullshit. If it’s just a word, which to me it should be, then why is it treated as such?

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FUCKIN NIGGERS

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

Can you explain to me what being “stereotypically white” entails?[/quote]

I have a strong feeling if anyone wrote “stereotypically black” in one their posts, he’d back asking them that same type of question.[/quote]

What word should I use to describe someone who completely goes against urban culture, uses no slang, ignores all Hip Hop or historically black pop culture references and who, if they did use the word, would do so in a way that would let everyone around them know they not only don’t use it often but are using it out of context in a way that is not socially accepted?

If you use “stereotypically black” in a negative way, you can bet I will ask what you mean…but NOTHING like that was done here at all making your statement irrelevant.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Words are just words. Words DO carry meaning but meaning is contextual. The same word can have different meanings depending on context and intention.

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And that is why it is ridiculous that the white guy got fired for saying nigger when blacks were using it in the same office. They were discussing “the symbolic burial of the word by the Philadelphia Youth Council of the NAACP.” The topic was the actual word “nigger”. It’s ridiculous in this discussion for the white guy to keep saying N word while black people in the office are saying nigger. He wasn’t using the word to insult anyone, he was discussing the actual word. What bullshit.

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I agree with you, this firing is complete an utter bullshit. I hope he recovers against the station.

To give you some context here, you need to understand some things. The city of Philadelphia is a predominantly black city. It’s a city that lived through Mayor Rizzo and his police violence in black neighborhoods and a city where black Mayor Wilson Goode bombed MOVE and burned down a city block of homes. The point is, the city of Philadelphia is very much a racially divided city in many ways. Predominantly black areas such as North, West and Southwest Philadelphia are NOT integrated. It is against this backdrop that this incident occurred. I can almost guarantee you that the person or persons that complained were “seeking” to be offended rather than being genuinely offended.

For crying out loud, they were in a meeting discussing the word “nigger”. Now, we don’t know the results of the investigation so we cannot draw any firm conclusions…we are just speculating. But this is potentially a very troubling firing. I’d find it very hard to believe that an adult professional in the city of philadelphia would use the word in the workplace in an offensive manner. He’d have to be in a coma.

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I agree but we weren’t there and has anyone seen what was said exactly?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

Can you explain to me what being “stereotypically white” entails?[/quote]

I have a strong feeling if anyone wrote “stereotypically black” in one their posts, he’d back asking them that same type of question.[/quote]

What word should I use to describe someone who completely goes against urban culture, uses no slang, ignores all Hip Hop or historically black pop culture references and who, if they did use the word, would do so in a way that would let everyone around them know they not only don’t use it often but are using it out of context in a way that is not socially accepted?

If you use “stereotypically black” in a negative way, you can bet I will ask what you mean…but NOTHING like that was done here at all making your statement irrelevant.[/quote]

Your main point here is context, right? So if I tried to make some new homeys and in a non threatening, friendly tone said, as the bodyguard jokingly (I think) suggested, “Ayo I got next nigga”, it’d be cool? But wait…I don’t sound stereotypically black. SHIT. So to avoid getting beaten up, I’d have to adopt thug mannerisms too?

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[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

Can you explain to me what being “stereotypically white” entails?[/quote]

I have a strong feeling if anyone wrote “stereotypically black” in one their posts, he’d back asking them that same type of question.[/quote]

What word should I use to describe someone who completely goes against urban culture, uses no slang, ignores all Hip Hop or historically black pop culture references and who, if they did use the word, would do so in a way that would let everyone around them know they not only don’t use it often but are using it out of context in a way that is not socially accepted?

If you use “stereotypically black” in a negative way, you can bet I will ask what you mean…but NOTHING like that was done here at all making your statement irrelevant.[/quote]

Your main point here is context, right? So if I tried to make some new homeys and in a non threatening, friendly tone said, as the bodyguard jokingly (I think) suggested, “Ayo I got next nigga”, it’d be cool? But wait…I don’t sound stereotypically black. SHIT. So to avoid getting beaten up, I’d have to adopt thug mannerisms too? [/quote]

Billy is this you?

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[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

Can you explain to me what being “stereotypically white” entails?[/quote]

I have a strong feeling if anyone wrote “stereotypically black” in one their posts, he’d back asking them that same type of question.[/quote]

What word should I use to describe someone who completely goes against urban culture, uses no slang, ignores all Hip Hop or historically black pop culture references and who, if they did use the word, would do so in a way that would let everyone around them know they not only don’t use it often but are using it out of context in a way that is not socially accepted?

If you use “stereotypically black” in a negative way, you can bet I will ask what you mean…but NOTHING like that was done here at all making your statement irrelevant.[/quote]

Your main point here is context, right? So if I tried to make some new homeys and in a non threatening, friendly tone said, as the bodyguard jokingly (I think) suggested, “Ayo I got next nigga”, it’d be cool? But wait…I don’t sound stereotypically black. SHIT. So to avoid getting beaten up, I’d have to adopt thug mannerisms too? [/quote]

WTF? Are you really this stupid? If you SOUND like someone who is awkward saying the fucking word, expect for people to react as such.

Wait, do you really think the people around you can’t tell by how you speak, act, dress and look whether this is natural to you?

It is no different than some white guy trying to dap me up when he clearly doesn’t know how to do it. I might not be “offended” but he would damn sure be labeled a wannabe in short order.

Why do you think other people are blind to WHO you are?

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

Can you explain to me what being “stereotypically white” entails?[/quote]

I have a strong feeling if anyone wrote “stereotypically black” in one their posts, he’d back asking them that same type of question.[/quote]

Lol don’t hate he’s my hero

What word should I use to describe someone who completely goes against urban culture, uses no slang, ignores all Hip Hop or historically black pop culture references and who, if they did use the word, would do so in a way that would let everyone around them know they not only don’t use it often but are using it out of context in a way that is not socially accepted?

If you use “stereotypically black” in a negative way, you can bet I will ask what you mean…but NOTHING like that was done here at all making your statement irrelevant.[/quote]

Your main point here is context, right? So if I tried to make some new homeys and in a non threatening, friendly tone said, as the bodyguard jokingly (I think) suggested, “Ayo I got next nigga”, it’d be cool? But wait…I don’t sound stereotypically black. SHIT. So to avoid getting beaten up, I’d have to adopt thug mannerisms too? [/quote]

Billy is this you?[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Words are just words. Words DO carry meaning but meaning is contextual. The same word can have different meanings depending on context and intention.

[/quote]

And that is why it is ridiculous that the white guy got fired for saying nigger when blacks were using it in the same office. They were discussing “the symbolic burial of the word by the Philadelphia Youth Council of the NAACP.” The topic was the actual word “nigger”. It’s ridiculous in this discussion for the white guy to keep saying N word while black people in the office are saying nigger. He wasn’t using the word to insult anyone, he was discussing the actual word. What bullshit.

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I agree with you, this firing is complete an utter bullshit. I hope he recovers against the station.

To give you some context here, you need to understand some things. The city of Philadelphia is a predominantly black city. It’s a city that lived through Mayor Rizzo and his police violence in black neighborhoods and a city where black Mayor Wilson Goode bombed MOVE and burned down a city block of homes. The point is, the city of Philadelphia is very much a racially divided city in many ways. Predominantly black areas such as North, West and Southwest Philadelphia are NOT integrated. It is against this backdrop that this incident occurred. I can almost guarantee you that the person or persons that complained were “seeking” to be offended rather than being genuinely offended.

For crying out loud, they were in a meeting discussing the word “nigger”. Now, we don’t know the results of the investigation so we cannot draw any firm conclusions…we are just speculating. But this is potentially a very troubling firing. I’d find it very hard to believe that an adult professional in the city of philadelphia would use the word in the workplace in an offensive manner. He’d have to be in a coma.

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I agree but we weren’t there and has anyone seen what was said exactly?[/quote]

I didn’t see any details and didn’t follow the story too closely when it first broke. It would be interesting to see the investigation if that has or ever will be made public.

True story: One day in my old office, the computers were down. So one enterprising supervisor made his group go to the file room and basically do “busy work”. I walked in, was shocked by all the people in there doing what was clearly “busy work” and, attempting to liken the scene to the punishment that it appeared, remarked “looks like a chain gang in here”. A gay black male wasn’t sure if he was offended - he wasn’t sure it was not a racial reference (never mind that the room was multicultural and PRISONERS of all race and creed comprised chain gangs) discussed it among other blacks in the office who all said a variation of “Steve is the last guy that is prejudiced”, but found a single sympathetic ear and it was almost an official incident. Fortunately (for them), another supervisor or two squelched any uprising of feigned injustice because that’s just what it was…“feigned injustice” by someone with a personal ax to grind.

Moral of the story? Some people are just looking for trouble.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
FUCKIN NIGGERS[/quote]

I’'l trade you the ability to call me whiteboy or cracker without consequences for the ability to call you nigger without consequences. RAPEAXE!!!