Gratuitous Use of the N Word?

[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Hey, one thing I always find funny is hearing black thugs from say france or britain. There is just something uppity and almost snobbish about the british accent. If I ever got robbed by a british thug, black or otherwise, I think I would be rolling on the ground laughing as I handed them my wallet.

Hey chap! What do you say you hand over the wally so I don’t have to get ruff with you.

Come again? Did you just call me chap?

Again, this is all made up based off my limited experience with the brits, like watching monty python and the british guy on the daily show.

V[/quote]

LOL. I hope you don’t honestly think that most English people speak like that. It’s more like “Sup bruv, gimme dat fucking wallet yo”. Posh accents like the world is used to are few and far between.[/quote]

What do they call those idiot kids over there?? Chav? Chauv? I couldn’t imagine sitting in front of one of them. If they were trying to mug me or fight or something. I would be incapacitated with stomach pains from laughing so hard. But yea, the old british “posh” if thats what you call it would be too funny as well.

V

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I’ve only been lurking in this thread because ‘iRace’ threads always turn into clusterfuck trainwrecks.

It’s reaffirmed that this supposedly alpha weightlifting forum is chock full of people with thin skin and/or people who haven’t lived in a truly diverse population and been part of the interaction between regular people of different races/ethnicities.

Cheers,
SteelyDago[/quote]

I see wop you did there.

Trial set for firing over use of ‘n’ word

A federal jury will be asked to decide whether it is acceptable for an African American person, but not a white person, to use the “n” word in a workplace.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick has ruled that former Fox29 reporter-anchor Tom Burlington’s lawsuit against the station, claiming a double standard and alleging that he was the victim of racial discrimination, may go to trial. However, Surrick denied Burlington’s claim of a hostile work environment.

Burlington, who is white, was fired after using the “n” word during a June 2007 staff meeting at which reporters and producers were discussing reporter Robin Taylor’s story about the symbolic burial of the word by the Philadelphia Youth Council of the NAACP.

Full story:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
SteelyDago[/quote]

You one of them greasy Eye-talians Steely?

Only thing worse than them are those lousy Greek bastards!

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
SteelyDago[/quote]

You one of them greasy Eye-talians Steely?

Only thing worse than them are those lousy Greek bastards! [/quote]

LOL! I am. Have you seen my Italian cooking thread? My veins overflow with EVOO and my blood smells like garlic (keeps the vampires and mosquitoes away).

The only difference between Italians and Greeks are that Italians don’t fuck sheep.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
LOL! I am. Have you seen my Italian cooking thread? My veins overflow with EVOO and my blood smells like garlic (keeps the vampires and mosquitoes away).

The only difference between Italians and Greeks are that Italians don’t fuck sheep.[/quote]

Ha ha - yes, of course - that thread is awesome! And I guess it’s the half-Italian in me that keeps my Greek half from fucking sheep - MOST of the time! ; )

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
i never understood why such a supposedly offensive word was used so often. Im usually the only white dude playin ball at the Y, and it doesnt make things feel exactly welcoming. Im told its racist to call black people the n word, but a word only a select race is allowed to use seems pretty exclusionary to me…seems to me the word still functions to drive a wedge between peoples, albeit in a different manner than the way it was originally used. thoughts? comments on how it “comes from a different place” when its used by black people? id like to understand[/quote]

Just show up next time, casually say “ayo nigga, I got next” and be done with it.

You know, this whole N-word thing is totally ridiculous. Think about it: sure nigger is an offensive word and whites who use it in reference to blacks sound like uneducated racists, but the same isn’t said if I call someone a wop or a kike if I’m joking with them. If I were to jokingly call SteelyD a wop, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But if I called Prof X a nigger in a joking manner, the shit would hit the fan!

When it comes the word “nigga”, it’s even more ridiculous! How many words can you think of that are only socially-acceptable for one particular ethnicity and totally unacceptable for other ethnicities to use? There aren’t any, except for nigga. I’m white, so I’m not “allowed” to use the word. I wouldn’t use it anyways because it is just a shortening of an offensive word and also because I would sound fucking retarded throwing that word around.

I’m not too crazy about tossing racial slurs around in a joking manner because I never quite know how certain people are going to react and to me it personally sounds a little “uncouth”, but if we ARE going to be throwing them around, then why is it that nigger has to be the one that gets excluded? Yeah, yeah, I know that blacks were enslaved here and all that, but let’s be honest. Go back throughout history and you’ll see that literally every race, color and creed has been enslaved at some point.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You know, this whole N-word thing is totally ridiculous. Think about it: sure nigger is an offensive word and whites who use it in reference to blacks sound like uneducated racists, but the same isn’t said if I call someone a wop or a kike if I’m joking with them. If I were to jokingly call SteelyD a wop, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But if I called Prof X a nigger in a joking manner, the shit would hit the fan!

When it comes the word “nigga”, it’s even more ridiculous! How many words can you think of that are only socially-acceptable for one particular ethnicity and totally unacceptable for other ethnicities to use? There aren’t any, except for nigga. I’m white, so I’m not “allowed” to use the word. I wouldn’t use it anyways because it is just a shortening of an offensive word and also because I would sound fucking retarded throwing that word around.

I’m not too crazy about tossing racial slurs around in a joking manner because I never quite know how certain people are going to react and to me it personally sounds a little “uncouth”, but if we ARE going to be throwing them around, then why is it that nigger has to be the one that gets excluded? Yeah, yeah, I know that blacks were enslaved here and all that, but let’s be honest. Go back throughout history and you’ll see that literally every race, color and creed has been enslaved at some point.[/quote]

good post.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You know, this whole N-word thing is totally ridiculous. Think about it: sure nigger is an offensive word and whites who use it in reference to blacks sound like uneducated racists, but the same isn’t said if I call someone a wop or a kike if I’m joking with them. If I were to jokingly call SteelyD a wop, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But if I called Prof X a nigger in a joking manner, the shit would hit the fan!

When it comes the word “nigga”, it’s even more ridiculous! How many words can you think of that are only socially-acceptable for one particular ethnicity and totally unacceptable for other ethnicities to use? There aren’t any, except for nigga. I’m white, so I’m not “allowed” to use the word. I wouldn’t use it anyways because it is just a shortening of an offensive word and also because I would sound fucking retarded throwing that word around.

I’m not too crazy about tossing racial slurs around in a joking manner because I never quite know how certain people are going to react and to me it personally sounds a little “uncouth”, but if we ARE going to be throwing them around, then why is it that nigger has to be the one that gets excluded? Yeah, yeah, I know that blacks were enslaved here and all that, but let’s be honest. Go back throughout history and you’ll see that literally every race, color and creed has been enslaved at some point.[/quote]

good post.[/quote]

No, it wasn’t. I saw two kids who looked white (one may have been half hispanic) who used that word loudly between themselves last night at the gym. No one even reacted. This is 2011. Who the fuck is throwing a tantrum because it is used JOKINGLY between friends? If you are using it in a racist manner, then you deserve what you get.

Also, if you fit the profile of “the nerdy white guy” and use it, expect a much different reaction than if someone more “urban and white” used it.

Some of you seem about 15-20 years out of touch with the world around you.

If your exposure to any black people comes from what you see on tv and you say this word, don’t act surprised when people around you react in a different way.

People can usually look at you and see if you are the type who is a wannabe or someone more legit. It isn’t a secret.

I can’t stand when I hear it on Xbox Live. It sounds so stupid. When I hear my cousin and his friends say it I give him a look and he apologizes for it. I have a mixed family and I don’t like hearing it at all.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You know, this whole N-word thing is totally ridiculous. Think about it: sure nigger is an offensive word and whites who use it in reference to blacks sound like uneducated racists, but the same isn’t said if I call someone a wop or a kike if I’m joking with them. If I were to jokingly call SteelyD a wop, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But if I called Prof X a nigger in a joking manner, the shit would hit the fan!

When it comes the word “nigga”, it’s even more ridiculous! How many words can you think of that are only socially-acceptable for one particular ethnicity and totally unacceptable for other ethnicities to use? There aren’t any, except for nigga. I’m white, so I’m not “allowed” to use the word. I wouldn’t use it anyways because it is just a shortening of an offensive word and also because I would sound fucking retarded throwing that word around.

I’m not too crazy about tossing racial slurs around in a joking manner because I never quite know how certain people are going to react and to me it personally sounds a little “uncouth”, but if we ARE going to be throwing them around, then why is it that nigger has to be the one that gets excluded? Yeah, yeah, I know that blacks were enslaved here and all that, but let’s be honest. Go back throughout history and you’ll see that literally every race, color and creed has been enslaved at some point.[/quote]

good post.[/quote]

No, it wasn’t. I saw two kids who looked white (one may have been half hispanic) who used that word loudly between themselves last night at the gym. No one even reacted. This is 2011. Who the fuck is throwing a tantrum because it is used JOKINGLY between friends? If you are using it in a racist manner, then you deserve what you get.

Also, if you fit the profile of “the nerdy white guy” and use it, expect a much different reaction than if someone more “urban and white” used it.

Some of you seem about 15-20 years out of touch with the world around you.

If your exposure to any black people comes from what you see on tv and you say this word, don’t act surprised when people around you react in a different way.

People can usually look at you and see if you are the type who is a wannabe or someone more legit. It isn’t a secret.[/quote]

Wait, were the two kids using “nigger” or “nigga” between themselves. I assume it was “nigga”.

So because no one at your gym saw cause to voice their opposition to this, or because no one had any opposition to this in the first place means that EVERYWHERE this is how it is? Bullshit. I live in a pretty white area, but when I lived in the Bay Area, a very diverse area, two white guys referring to themselves as “niggas” wouldn’t have gone over big with blacks. It certainly wouldn’t have with the blacks that I was/am friends with.

And since when does the way a white guy looks or dresses have anything to do with it? You mean to tell me that if some nerdy Weezer-wannabe uses the term nigga in the same manner as some urbanized white that the two uses carry different connotations or that one can use it and the other can’t? That’s bullshit too. That’s exactly what I was getting at with the use of nigga. Name one other word that certain people are “allowed” to use and others aren’t based on their ethnicity or their level of urbanization. There isn’t one. So why is nigga treated this way?

Here’s my point. I think it’s totally backwards when I hear in rap some guy referring to whites as whiteboys or crackers or honkies, but if a white musician uses the word nigga he exposes himself to much more backlash, from all colors, than the rapper does. If he uses the word nigger, it’s even worse. And it should be frowned upon to use nigger, but it should also be frowned upon to use honky or cracker too.

As far as the use of nigga goes, I don’t know what to say. I’ve never known it to be cool for whites to use the term, either in reference to themselves or in reference to blacks. I guess your experience is different.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You know, this whole N-word thing is totally ridiculous. Think about it: sure nigger is an offensive word and whites who use it in reference to blacks sound like uneducated racists, but the same isn’t said if I call someone a wop or a kike if I’m joking with them. If I were to jokingly call SteelyD a wop, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But if I called Prof X a nigger in a joking manner, the shit would hit the fan!

When it comes the word “nigga”, it’s even more ridiculous! How many words can you think of that are only socially-acceptable for one particular ethnicity and totally unacceptable for other ethnicities to use? There aren’t any, except for nigga. I’m white, so I’m not “allowed” to use the word. I wouldn’t use it anyways because it is just a shortening of an offensive word and also because I would sound fucking retarded throwing that word around.

I’m not too crazy about tossing racial slurs around in a joking manner because I never quite know how certain people are going to react and to me it personally sounds a little “uncouth”, but if we ARE going to be throwing them around, then why is it that nigger has to be the one that gets excluded? Yeah, yeah, I know that blacks were enslaved here and all that, but let’s be honest. Go back throughout history and you’ll see that literally every race, color and creed has been enslaved at some point.[/quote]

good post.[/quote]

No, it wasn’t. I saw two kids who looked white (one may have been half hispanic) who used that word loudly between themselves last night at the gym. No one even reacted. This is 2011. Who the fuck is throwing a tantrum because it is used JOKINGLY between friends? If you are using it in a racist manner, then you deserve what you get.

Also, if you fit the profile of “the nerdy white guy” and use it, expect a much different reaction than if someone more “urban and white” used it.

Some of you seem about 15-20 years out of touch with the world around you.

If your exposure to any black people comes from what you see on tv and you say this word, don’t act surprised when people around you react in a different way.

People can usually look at you and see if you are the type who is a wannabe or someone more legit. It isn’t a secret.[/quote]

Can I ask what profile you fit by your looks? Maybe you shouldn’t be surprised at the reaction you get based on your profile?

And just because you are black doesn’t mean you know everything about the “world around you” or even about black culture. There are places in this nation culturally 15-20 years and more behind the times. Just because you haven’t been exposed to them doesn’t make them not exist.

Go live down the street from where Emett Till was beaten and shot and tell me my view is behind the times and not in like with the “real world”.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
If I were to jokingly call SteelyD a wop, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But if I called Prof X a nigger in a joking manner, the shit would hit the fan!
[/quote]

Che cazzo!? You calla me da woppa - I’ma kicka you inna da nutsa! Vafunculo!

Ayyyyyy my thread is back from the dead! DBcooper made the point I was trying to make but a bit more eloquently. Plus he has a way higher post count so no one can accuse him of trolling.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
SteelyDago[/quote]

You one of them greasy Eye-talians Steely?

Only thing worse than them are those lousy Greek bastards! [/quote]

LOL! I am. Have you seen my Italian cooking thread? My veins overflow with EVOO and my blood smells like garlic (keeps the vampires and mosquitoes away).

The only difference between Italians and Greeks are that Italians don’t fuck sheep.[/quote]

Yeah?

But only because they are too greasy to hold on to the sheep.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You know, this whole N-word thing is totally ridiculous. Think about it: sure nigger is an offensive word and whites who use it in reference to blacks sound like uneducated racists, but the same isn’t said if I call someone a wop or a kike if I’m joking with them. If I were to jokingly call SteelyD a wop, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But if I called Prof X a nigger in a joking manner, the shit would hit the fan!

When it comes the word “nigga”, it’s even more ridiculous! How many words can you think of that are only socially-acceptable for one particular ethnicity and totally unacceptable for other ethnicities to use? There aren’t any, except for nigga. I’m white, so I’m not “allowed” to use the word. I wouldn’t use it anyways because it is just a shortening of an offensive word and also because I would sound fucking retarded throwing that word around.

I’m not too crazy about tossing racial slurs around in a joking manner because I never quite know how certain people are going to react and to me it personally sounds a little “uncouth”, but if we ARE going to be throwing them around, then why is it that nigger has to be the one that gets excluded? Yeah, yeah, I know that blacks were enslaved here and all that, but let’s be honest. Go back throughout history and you’ll see that literally every race, color and creed has been enslaved at some point.[/quote]

[quote]postholedigger wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You know, this whole N-word thing is totally ridiculous. Think about it: sure nigger is an offensive word and whites who use it in reference to blacks sound like uneducated racists, but the same isn’t said if I call someone a wop or a kike if I’m joking with them. If I were to jokingly call SteelyD a wop, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But if I called Prof X a nigger in a joking manner, the shit would hit the fan!

When it comes the word “nigga”, it’s even more ridiculous! How many words can you think of that are only socially-acceptable for one particular ethnicity and totally unacceptable for other ethnicities to use? There aren’t any, except for nigga. I’m white, so I’m not “allowed” to use the word. I wouldn’t use it anyways because it is just a shortening of an offensive word and also because I would sound fucking retarded throwing that word around.

I’m not too crazy about tossing racial slurs around in a joking manner because I never quite know how certain people are going to react and to me it personally sounds a little “uncouth”, but if we ARE going to be throwing them around, then why is it that nigger has to be the one that gets excluded? Yeah, yeah, I know that blacks were enslaved here and all that, but let’s be honest. Go back throughout history and you’ll see that literally every race, color and creed has been enslaved at some point.[/quote]

Haha! Awesome!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You know, this whole N-word thing is totally ridiculous. Think about it: sure nigger is an offensive word and whites who use it in reference to blacks sound like uneducated racists, but the same isn’t said if I call someone a wop or a kike if I’m joking with them. If I were to jokingly call SteelyD a wop, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But if I called Prof X a nigger in a joking manner, the shit would hit the fan!

When it comes the word “nigga”, it’s even more ridiculous! How many words can you think of that are only socially-acceptable for one particular ethnicity and totally unacceptable for other ethnicities to use? There aren’t any, except for nigga. I’m white, so I’m not “allowed” to use the word. I wouldn’t use it anyways because it is just a shortening of an offensive word and also because I would sound fucking retarded throwing that word around.

I’m not too crazy about tossing racial slurs around in a joking manner because I never quite know how certain people are going to react and to me it personally sounds a little “uncouth”, but if we ARE going to be throwing them around, then why is it that nigger has to be the one that gets excluded? Yeah, yeah, I know that blacks were enslaved here and all that, but let’s be honest. Go back throughout history and you’ll see that literally every race, color and creed has been enslaved at some point.[/quote]

good post.[/quote]

No, it wasn’t. I saw two kids who looked white (one may have been half hispanic) who used that word loudly between themselves last night at the gym. No one even reacted. This is 2011. Who the fuck is throwing a tantrum because it is used JOKINGLY between friends? If you are using it in a racist manner, then you deserve what you get.

Also, if you fit the profile of “the nerdy white guy” and use it, expect a much different reaction than if someone more “urban and white” used it.

Some of you seem about 15-20 years out of touch with the world around you.

If your exposure to any black people comes from what you see on tv and you say this word, don’t act surprised when people around you react in a different way.

People can usually look at you and see if you are the type who is a wannabe or someone more legit. It isn’t a secret.[/quote]

I’m refreshed by your responses to this thread and you’re on point.

Words are just words. Words DO carry meaning but meaning is contextual. The same word can have different meanings depending on context and intention.

The word is a hateful ugly word when used in a certain context. I think everyone here is aware of when it is used in that context and there is no mistaking it when it is. Whether you agree with it or not, the word IS and has been used in popular culture and HAS crossed context and color lines. I say it from time to time and I don’t do verbal gymnastics to use it. I might say “nigger” I might say “nigga”. And no one blinks. No one has ever said…whoa there BG, did you say “nigger” or “nigga”. If you have to ask, my context, intent, or audience was inappropriate and if there is any ambiguity, it’s a troublesome word.

Talking shit with a close black friend (nature of friend goes to context again), “nigger please”, “nigga please” - don’t much matter to me or him whether there is an ER on the end or an “a”. And they return the “nigger” or “nigga” in kind and no one is mistaking me for black even though I can dance and at one time run real fast and jump real high :slight_smile: LOL. We are not discussing or describing race. Nigga or nigger would be used interchangeably with “motherfucker” or any other such word used for poetic emphasis. “Motherfucka” kiss my ass. “Nigger” kiss my ass. Said to a friend, it’s a friendly jab. Said to a stranger, it’s a prelude to engagement.

The point is, where context is not unambiguous (assuming everyone within ear shot will “get” context), the word is now pretty harmless (it probably does offend some older people, but again, that’s context and audience). To give it unintended meaning in this day and age is to go backward in my opinion.

There is no doubt at all the word can still be used in its ugly context…but I think all REASONABLE people understand when it’s being used as such. And if you tell me, “fuck you white boy”…I’m likely to reply “motherfuck you nigger”.

If you’re in doubt, and have to give it so much thought, simply don’t use it. Is there still a perceived double standard there? Of course there is. Get over it. The word is pregnant with a minefield of contextual connotation and emotion - and you don’t want to get it unintentionally wrong. If you think you might, lose it from your vernacular.

[quote]postholedigger wrote:

Hilarious fucking video. I like using “ninja”.

But seriously, I hear asian kids “nigga” this and “nigga” that every day. And you know what? When fucking ASIANS are saying and calling each other “nigga”, the word has lost a lot of steam.