Gotta Love Max Charles

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:
There are people who didn’t learn to lift from the internet. Every single person posting in this thread is a regular poster on a lifting website. Of course you know what a rack pull is. It’s still possible to get big and strong as hell without ever reading an article about rack pulls.

Did anyone actually think a guy we’ve never heard of could beat the world record? Then why do we all get so fucking upset? I can deadlift 1125. Now make a 9 page thread about how big a liar I am.

People who do quarter squats still call them squats. Same thing with benching. If you were to say “partial deadlift” instead of rack pull, people would get what you mean. If most of your training is partial reps, it might feel natural to omit the “partial”.[/quote]

Good point. [/quote]

Not just that, but I don’t even read the articles here and have said this MANY times in the past. The only articles I ever read from this site wee TC’s. That’s it. Not everyone even on this site cares what the latest flashy trend is. That is why I don’t care about “5x5” or any of the other 5,000 random acronyms and new names for old shit flying around.

This stuff is ONLY common knowledge if you get all that you know from the internet. Some of us learned IN THE GYMS, not over the net…and most of the really big guys I know probably know the least about all of the bullshit some of you think is so important.

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Optimally, I there’s something to be said for balance between the two. But in the end, you’re definitely gonna see more big jacked guys with very little technical knowledge than guys who read for hours a day on how to achieve optimal hypertrophy with no fat gain or whatever.

Having said that, it would be foolish for anybody to act like understanding s few training philosophies, the basic science behind them, injury prevention, and how your body processes food, is going to impede progress when applied INTELLIGENTLY, and in conjunction with some serious ass-busting in the gym and kitchen.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Yeah dawg, those aren’t love handles lol…

If those are love handles, then call me John Goodman.[/quote]

I LOL’d @ those being love handles[/quote]

Yeah, I guess to clarify:

I’m saying you have a lot more room to “fuck up” and not even be out of control. So don’t panic or think you are fat.

(That coming from someone who has had their fair share of OMGZ I"M FAT AND GROSS moments.)

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on a more serious note, shouldnt we be building each other up instead of constantly tearing each other down? ive learned a lot from all you guys, H4m, Austin, Prof X, all of you. T-Nation is a culture. even in the gym, ill see people doing something and ill ask if they read T-Nation because its a distinct style. constantly belittling each other isnt helping anyone. threads around here are becoming shit. its just trolls and harassment. whats the point?

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[quote]actionboy wrote:
on a more serious note, shouldnt we be building each other up instead of constantly tearing each other down? ive learned a lot from all you guys, H4m, Austin, Prof X, all of you. t nation is a culture. even in the gym, ill see people doing something and ill ask if they read t nation because its a distinct style. constantly belittling each other isnt helping anyone. threads around here are becoming shit. its just trolls and harassment. whats the point?[/quote]

x2!!!

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[quote]actionboy wrote:
on a more serious note, shouldnt we be building each other up instead of constantly tearing each other down? ive learned a lot from all you guys, H4m, Austin, Prof X, all of you. t nation is a culture. even in the gym, ill see people doing something and ill ask if they read t nation because its a distinct style. constantly belittling each other isnt helping anyone. threads around here are becoming shit. its just trolls and harassment. whats the point?[/quote]

Agreed and that was my point. I can’t even discuss Hammer Strength machines without some powerlifter jumping in the thread to degrade the machine for some reason as if it isn’t good enough…as if it doesn’t help you grow.

If we discuss Max Charles, some jackass has to imply that not calling him a liar means you are a racist and that is the only reason you are sticking up for him.

Most of this is because of people jumping in that you NEVER see in this forum saying ANYTHING positive. If one of you can point out even one Whiteflash post that has helped someone, I am all ears.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Yeah dawg, those aren’t love handles lol…

If those are love handles, then call me John Goodman.[/quote]

I LOL’d @ those being love handles[/quote]

Yeah, I guess to clarify:

I’m saying you have a lot more room to “fuck up” and not even be out of control. So don’t panic or think you are fat.

(That coming from someone who has had their fair share of OMGZ I"M FAT AND GROSS moments.)[/quote]

When we train together I may or may not poke your love handles btw

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[quote]actionboy wrote:
on a more serious note, shouldnt we be building each other up instead of constantly tearing each other down? ive learned a lot from all you guys, H4m, Austin, Prof X, all of you. t nation is a culture. even in the gym, ill see people doing something and ill ask if they read t nation because its a distinct style. constantly belittling each other isnt helping anyone. threads around here are becoming shit. its just trolls and harassment. whats the point?[/quote]

Mostly agreed…at the same time, I’ve always been the type the occasionally enjoys having an argument just for the sake of debating something…I harbor no bitterness towards the person I’m arguing with, it’s just for the helluvit.

man group hug

Lol.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:
There are people who didn’t learn to lift from the internet. Every single person posting in this thread is a regular poster on a lifting website. Of course you know what a rack pull is. It’s still possible to get big and strong as hell without ever reading an article about rack pulls.

Did anyone actually think a guy we’ve never heard of could beat the world record? Then why do we all get so fucking upset? I can deadlift 1125. Now make a 9 page thread about how big a liar I am.

People who do quarter squats still call them squats. Same thing with benching. If you were to say “partial deadlift” instead of rack pull, people would get what you mean. If most of your training is partial reps, it might feel natural to omit the “partial”.[/quote]

Good point. [/quote]

Not just that, but I don’t even read the articles here and have said this MANY times in the past. The only articles I ever read from this site wee TC’s. That’s it. Not everyone even on this site cares what the latest flashy trend is. That is why I don’t care about “5x5” or any of the other 5,000 random acronyms and new names for old shit flying around.

This stuff is ONLY common knowledge if you get all that you know from the internet. Some of us learned IN THE GYMS, not over the net…and most of the really big guys I know probably know the least about all of the bullshit some of you think is so important.

[/quote]

Optimally, I there’s something to be said for balance between the two. But in the end, you’re definitely gonna see more big jacked guys with very little technical knowledge than guys who read for hours a day on how to achieve optimal hypertrophy with no fat gain or whatever.

Having said that, it would be foolish for anybody to act like understanding s few training philosophies, the basic science behind them, injury prevention, and how your body processes food, is going to impede progress when applied INTELLIGENTLY, and in conjunction with some serious ass-busting in the gym and kitchen. [/quote]

Guy, I’m a doc. I don’t need to read articles to know how my body works. I have the credentials to write a book about it. I haven’t seen much in most of these articles that is so ground breaking…but I have seen a lot of misrepresentation of scientific journals like that “sarcoplasmic hypertrophy” bullshit that was going on about 2 or 3 years back.

In other words, I don’t think you even realize how focusing on some of these articles so much could actually hold back progress if you do not have a solid FORMAL education yourself.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:
There are people who didn’t learn to lift from the internet. Every single person posting in this thread is a regular poster on a lifting website. Of course you know what a rack pull is. It’s still possible to get big and strong as hell without ever reading an article about rack pulls.

Did anyone actually think a guy we’ve never heard of could beat the world record? Then why do we all get so fucking upset? I can deadlift 1125. Now make a 9 page thread about how big a liar I am.

People who do quarter squats still call them squats. Same thing with benching. If you were to say “partial deadlift” instead of rack pull, people would get what you mean. If most of your training is partial reps, it might feel natural to omit the “partial”.[/quote]

Good point. [/quote]

Not just that, but I don’t even read the articles here and have said this MANY times in the past. The only articles I ever read from this site wee TC’s. That’s it. Not everyone even on this site cares what the latest flashy trend is. That is why I don’t care about “5x5” or any of the other 5,000 random acronyms and new names for old shit flying around.

This stuff is ONLY common knowledge if you get all that you know from the internet. Some of us learned IN THE GYMS, not over the net…and most of the really big guys I know probably know the least about all of the bullshit some of you think is so important.

[/quote]

Optimally, I there’s something to be said for balance between the two. But in the end, you’re definitely gonna see more big jacked guys with very little technical knowledge than guys who read for hours a day on how to achieve optimal hypertrophy with no fat gain or whatever.

Having said that, it would be foolish for anybody to act like understanding s few training philosophies, the basic science behind them, injury prevention, and how your body processes food, is going to impede progress when applied INTELLIGENTLY, and in conjunction with some serious ass-busting in the gym and kitchen. [/quote]

Guy, I’m a doc. I don’t need to read articles to know how my body works. I have the credentials to write a book about it. I haven’t seen much in most of these articles that is so ground breaking…but I have seen a lot of misrepresentation of scientific journals like that “sarcoplasmic hypertrophy” bullshit that was going on about 2 or 3 years back.

In other words, I don’t think you even realize how focusing on some of these articles so much could actually hold back progress if you do not have a solid FORMAL education yourself.[/quote]

Wasn’t referring to you man. I don’t doubt YOUR training knowledge as an individual.

Generally the “paralysis by analysis” syndrome is nothing more than people that completely lack common sense. I have a good friend that is very “smart”, and understands most of the basic principles of training…more than I did when I was his training age anyways…but he keeps program hopping all the time. Common sense says that consistency and hard work, along with a well-rounded program, are the most important factors, but he has missed that HUGE point of consistency in training, so he never makes any serious progress.

Personally…I did a LOT of reading when I first started training seriously around 3-3.5 years ago, but I wasn’t so ignorant to believe every point and its counterpoint were 100% valid. I filtered out the obvious BS, then when I wasn’t sure about the more grey areas, I paid more attention to the larger and stronger people. Simple as that. In the meantime, I just kept focusing on getting stronger, and understanding how my body responded to different frequencies, rep ranges, volumes, and amounts/sources of food.

I have no degrees on the subject, but I think I’ve done pretty damn well so far, and have no intentions of settling.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Horrifico wrote:
I don’t post much as I don’t have usually have much to contribute and the time difference is a bitch, but I read a lot on here as the UK alternatives are lame but seriously what is it with threads over the last month, they all go like this:

  1. point/question raised
  2. debate until prof x voices opinion
  3. thread splits into pro/anti prof x thread for at least 5 pages without getting back on track

Fair enough this has happened a lot (at least over the past couple of years of me reading) but recently I think every thread I read goes this way.[/quote]

It’s not just you tired of that shit. They pretty much start making stuff up if there is nothing to bitch about as far as what I write.[/quote]

We both know you write the shit you write specifically to get a reaction, so don’t go playing the victim now.

It’s not even a big deal. Both you and the people you consistently argue with (myself included) obviously enjoy it so why is either side bitching about it?[/quote]

If I write things just to get a reaction…why do you and others fall for it so easily?

The truth is, I write about things I feel passionately about. I also can anticipate reaction but that doesn’t mean this mass bullshit response is desired.

What I would like is for the thread to remain on topic and the debate to remain within that…not for it to become some thread all about me or what bodybuilders I look up to.

Yet, that seems to be all some of you are here for.

If YOU cared about the topic, you would discuss the topic.

You would not ignore the topic to constantly talk about me.[/quote]

No one “falls” for anything. I’ve explicitly stated that both sides enjoy it.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

No one “falls” for anything. I’ve explicitly stated that both sides enjoy it. [/quote]

We aren’t talking about both sides, we are talking about you.

…and no, I do not enjoy not being able to even get a point across because some jackass who hardly ever posts in this forum has a bur up his ass for anything I write.

YOU may enjoy that though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

No one “falls” for anything. I’ve explicitly stated that both sides enjoy it. [/quote]

We aren’t talking about both sides, we are talking about you.

…and no, I do not enjoy not being able to even get a point across because some jackass who hardly ever posts in this forum has a bur up his ass for anything I write.

YOU may enjoy that though.[/quote]

If you don’t enjoy it than YOU’RE the one who falls for other people dragging you into the arguments you get into.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Yeah dawg, those aren’t love handles lol…

If those are love handles, then call me John Goodman.[/quote]

I LOL’d @ those being love handles[/quote]

Yeah, I guess to clarify:

I’m saying you have a lot more room to “fuck up” and not even be out of control. So don’t panic or think you are fat.

(That coming from someone who has had their fair share of OMGZ I"M FAT AND GROSS moments.)[/quote]

It’s all good. But I just started my first real “bulking” around 2 months ago, so still got atleast another good ~18 pounds to add! I started from 170 and won’t be stopping before the goal is reached…

210 here I come!

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[quote]NuYi wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NuYi wrote:

/edit

Uploaded it on imageshack because it doesn’t seem to work through T-Nation

[/quote]

You may be off to a decent start…but I don’t see you making much further progress if you really think you are fat right now and in need of dieting down.[/quote]

Diet down? What for? I never said that. I just mentioned that i got little “love handles” because I am gaining weight.

It’s easier to bulk and gain weight, while eating some dirty food (cheeseburgers f.e. which are 300kcal / piece). That’s why I mentioned dirty bulking. [/quote]
Dang man… Right after I stick up for you, you go ahead and post that picture saying you have “love handles.” lol

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

No one “falls” for anything. I’ve explicitly stated that both sides enjoy it. [/quote]

We aren’t talking about both sides, we are talking about you.

…and no, I do not enjoy not being able to even get a point across because some jackass who hardly ever posts in this forum has a bur up his ass for anything I write.

YOU may enjoy that though.[/quote]

If you don’t enjoy it than YOU’RE the one who falls for other people dragging you into the arguments you get into. [/quote]

I don’t fall for shit. Them attacking me simply leads to more people coming to the site trying to figure out who the fuck I am. That doesn’t mean I get off on being called a racist or anything else…but the end result seems to usually work for me not against me…and apparently they are too slow to figure this out.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
on a more serious note, shouldnt we be building each other up instead of constantly tearing each other down? ive learned a lot from all you guys, H4m, Austin, Prof X, all of you. t nation is a culture. even in the gym, ill see people doing something and ill ask if they read t nation because its a distinct style. constantly belittling each other isnt helping anyone. threads around here are becoming shit. its just trolls and harassment. whats the point?[/quote]

Agreed and that was my point. I can’t even discuss Hammer Strength machines without some powerlifter jumping in the thread to degrade the machine for some reason as if it isn’t good enough…as if it doesn’t help you grow.

If we discuss Max Charles, some jackass has to imply that not calling him a liar means you are a racist and that is the only reason you are sticking up for him.

Most of this is because of people jumping in that you NEVER see in this forum saying ANYTHING positive. If one of you can point out even one Whiteflash post that has helped someone, I am all ears.[/quote]

Dude, you are the most insecure, delusional douchebag on this site. Haven’t I gone out of my way to point out various gyms with heavy db’s around this city FOR YOU? No one here is implying that sticking up for Charles makes you a racist. They’re saying - quite clearly - that you never get any white bodybuilders backs, but as soon as something fishy comes up about a black bodybuilder you defend them tooth and nail as if we’re attacking their blackness. It’s not just bodybuilders either. Oh, and before you point out that you defended Eminem -again - we get it. That’s one white guy in damn near 10 years. Pretty solid average there, dentist.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
No one here is implying that sticking up for Charles makes you a racist. They’re saying - quite clearly - that you never get any white bodybuilders backs, but as soon as something fishy comes up about a black bodybuilder you defend them tooth and nail as if we’re attacking their blackness. [/quote]

You fail at logic. If there are no white bodybuilders catching this much hell for NON BODYBUILDING ACTIONS or statements, then how can someone be racist for sticking up for the guys it does happen to? Saying Jay Cutler has a big waist is ALL ABOUT HIS OWN BODY and nothing more. Even discussing his lack of tv personality has direct relation to how he represents the title of Mr Olympia. Until you start pointing out all of the guys of different nationalities catching the same hell as “grapefruit” you have no point and neither does anyone else.

Now, you can go think about that awhile until it sinks in.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
No one here is implying that sticking up for Charles makes you a racist. They’re saying - quite clearly - that you never get any white bodybuilders backs, but as soon as something fishy comes up about a black bodybuilder you defend them tooth and nail as if we’re attacking their blackness. [/quote]

You fail at logic. If there are no white bodybuilders catching this much hell for NON BODYBUILDING ACTIONS or statements, then how can someone be racist for sticking up for the guys it does happen to? Saying Jay Cutler has a big waist is ALL ABOUT HIS OWN BODY and nothing more. Even discussing his lack of tv personality has direct relation to how he represents the title of Mr Olympia. Until you start pointing out all of the guys of different nationalities catching the same hell as “grapefruit” you have no point and neither does anyone else.

Now, you can go think about that awhile until it sinks in.
[/quote]

I don’t fail at shit, dentist. You fail 'cause you chosse to point out only what furthers your agenda while ignoring when you’ve been proven wrong. No one denies that Cutler has a blocky waist. But, when they point out that Greene’s waist is just as blocky YOU come in to defend it. Also, as far as I can tell no one else is out there sticking their dicks in citrus fruit or making completely outrages claims only to disappear when called out. As soon as you find other people of different nationalities doing such boneheaded shit for the public to see, you get back to me.

Now, you can go think about that awhile until it sinks in. Jackass.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
No one here is implying that sticking up for Charles makes you a racist. They’re saying - quite clearly - that you never get any white bodybuilders backs, but as soon as something fishy comes up about a black bodybuilder you defend them tooth and nail as if we’re attacking their blackness. [/quote]

You fail at logic. If there are no white bodybuilders catching this much hell for NON BODYBUILDING ACTIONS or statements, then how can someone be racist for sticking up for the guys it does happen to? Saying Jay Cutler has a big waist is ALL ABOUT HIS OWN BODY and nothing more. Even discussing his lack of tv personality has direct relation to how he represents the title of Mr Olympia. Until you start pointing out all of the guys of different nationalities catching the same hell as “grapefruit” you have no point and neither does anyone else.

Now, you can go think about that awhile until it sinks in.
[/quote]

I don’t fail at shit, dentist. You fail 'cause you chosse to point out only what furthers your agenda while ignoring when you’ve been proven wrong. No one denies that Cutler has a blocky waist. But, when they point out that Greene’s waist is just as blocky YOU come in to defend it. Also, as far as I can tell no one else is out there sticking their dicks in citrus fruit or making completely outrages claims only to disappear when called out. As soon as you find other people of different nationalities doing such boneheaded shit for the public to see, you get back to me.

Now, you can go think about that awhile until it sinks in. Jackass.[/quote]

I’m sorry, but what do you do for a living so I can mention that in every post for no reason…you know, so I can be like you.

Also, I defended a picture of Kai with his back to the audience when he was inhaling (during a back pose) because some poster used that one pic to say he had a big waist when every other pic showed a smaller waist than Cutler. Iron Dwarf and another poster noted the exact same thing but neither got branded as being RACIST for it.

Why is that?

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Oh come on Whiteflash, Kai only has a big waist because he eats a lot of food. You think drugs have made his waist thicken? LOL NOOB!

Jay Cutler on the other hand…geez. Total abuser of Insulin and GH, it’s disgusting really. It’s made his waist extremely blocky, he looks like a fridge now.