[quote]Stronghold wrote:
If you want to get better, you listen to outside views.[/quote]
And your outside view was “You lied and got caught. Get over it.”
Actually, that’s a nice way of putting it. I’ll quote your way…
Like Nadia said, everyone is now trying to spin this into a convo about “constructive criticism” and I’m not buying it.
I don’t care though. Using this thread as a chill spot is cool too. Count and Greg are amusing me =D
Let’s get back to training. Anyone who hates/criticizes on Nikki’s work in here should just take their enthusiasm and pour it into their own work, since it obviously isn’t doing much good here.
Nikki- you’ve done a great job accomplishing more than most women ever will with their bodies. Honestly, the only reason you’re getting this much attention is because your progress is amazing (I certainly couldn’t pick up 300lbs or do a 100lbs kroc row even with bad form) and people want to disclaim it. Don’t worry about them. Just have fun like you always do. The reason others don’t get questioned is because they aren’t posting such incredible stuff.
waits for next amazing Nikki workout to appear
[quote]CBear84 wrote:
Because my post from last night took ~16 hours to show up, and because the videos didnt load-
Dude. This is not cool. Her pullups were nothing like that. This is condescending and rude. Your other posts were okay. WTF? Is this really a good use of time?
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Dude. This is not cool. Her pullups were nothing like that. This is condescending and rude. Your other posts were okay. WTF? Is this really a good use of time?[/quote]
I think you didn’t read the related wordy post with a link, i think that you misunderstand, and that you misunderstand because you’re upset.
[quote]CBear84 wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Dude. This is not cool. Her pullups were nothing like that. This is condescending and rude. Your other posts were okay. WTF? Is this really a good use of time?[/quote]
I think you didn’t read the related wordy post with a link, i think that you misunderstand, and that you misunderstand because you’re upset. [/quote]
Of course I’m upset. A lot of people reading what’s going on in here are. I’m fucking pissed beyond belief that a woman who’s accomplished so much is making a video to hate on (call it what you will, but there’s no reason to make a video that’s directly aimed at someone else that could even accidently hurt their feelings and then post it in a place that was supposed to be their fun internet time).
I’m going to go take this aggression and hit the weights. But yes, I’m pissed with what’s going on in here. I think if you’re honest, you’d admit that you have some feelings going on too or you would’ve never taken to time to put together that little piece of sunshine.
Im so fucking stupid I thought Nikki’s log title was a song lyric that the kids listen to these days lol.
Nikki,
I gotta say I don’t understand the extreme criticism either, I can understand if she were one of those e-nazis calling BS on everyone’s lifting numbers or doling out advice and critiques where it wasn’t warranted or asked for. If that was the case then I would say if you dish it you got be able to take it, but from what I can tell you are a pleasure to have on these forums and like I said have a real aptitude for this lifting thing.
I certainly would be upset IRL or on teh interwebz if I was the butt of someone’s jokes or harsh criticism where it isnt warranted. To put it plainly, its just kind of mean. She doesn’t deserve what she is getting.
She shows nothing but effort, she shows nothing but wanting to get better and basically shows what you would want in a strength athlete…modesty, willingness to learn and continual improvement.
Oh and Nikki I know full well you can defend yourself, but just wanted to add my .02
[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
If you want to get better, you listen to outside views.[/quote]
And your outside view was “You lied and got caught. Get over it.”
Actually, that’s a nice way of putting it. I’ll quote your way…
[/quote]
That was my response to the “I’m being attacked” pity party you started up in response to the people actually trying to help you.
I still think you’re full of shit, since you can plainly see in all of your bench videos that your arms reach the same angle as they do in the ones where you’re a good 2-3 inches from your chest, as well as being able to see you going limp under the weight and the spotter pulling weight off of you on a lift you “got”. Yet, you keep claiming you’re going full ROM and that the spotter wasn’t pulling 165 off of you.
I legitimately would like to see you compete, though.
[quote]ironcross wrote:
[quote]CBear84 wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Dude. This is not cool. Her pullups were nothing like that. This is condescending and rude. Your other posts were okay. WTF? Is this really a good use of time?[/quote]
I think you didn’t read the related wordy post with a link, i think that you misunderstand, and that you misunderstand because you’re upset. [/quote]
Of course I’m upset. A lot of people reading what’s going on in here are. I’m fucking pissed beyond belief that a woman who’s accomplished so much is making a video to hate on (call it what you will, but there’s no reason to make a video that’s directly aimed at someone else that could even accidently hurt their feelings and then post it in a place that was supposed to be their fun internet time).[/quote]
There’s a post of mine on page 7 of this log that you may have missed, bc it took more than half a day to show up. It’s really long and I don’t want to retype or summarize it.
the video is aimed at me. ME. I sucked at lifts, and didn’t know it until i posted video. if you look at the dates, those lifts of mine are from 2+ years ago. Since then, I’ve gotten help, and that’s why I’ve accomplished so much.
I think you wouldn’t be angry if you’d read the rest of my posts. you’re taking the video entirely out of context… im pointing out how awful I was, that i got help, and now i’m less awful. thats. all.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
If you want to get better, you listen to outside views.[/quote]
And your outside view was “You lied and got caught. Get over it.”
Actually, that’s a nice way of putting it. I’ll quote your way…
[/quote]
That was my response to the “I’m being attacked” pity party you started up in response to the people actually trying to help you.
I still think you’re full of shit, since you can plainly see in all of your bench videos that your arms reach the same angle as they do in the ones where you’re a good 2-3 inches from your chest, as well as being able to see you going limp under the weight and the spotter pulling weight off of you on a lift you “got”. Yet, you keep claiming you’re going full ROM and that the spotter wasn’t pulling 165 off of you.
I legitimately would like to see you compete, though.[/quote]
I like how you cut out the entirety of your response to Nikki and how you didn’t cite to any of the constructive criticism that Nikki so rudely rejected.
But, for the sake of argument, let’s say you’re correct-- Nikki couldn’t handle the constructive criticism so generously offered by you and BG. That justifies your response how?
And even now, several days later, with a number of people chiming in on the inappropriateness of your conduct, here you are, still posting in her log, still steadfast in your belief that your behavior is beyond reproach.
It takes real strength and real courage to be honest and to admit mistakes.
Back in May Cbear put out some kind of warning–it had been “brought to her attention” that someone was inflating their numbers. Was that you, SH? I think those warnings occurred 2x. Then, she asked for video of Nikki’s row–making clear to anyone who can read that Nikki was the accused. But, the row video wasn’t awful enough to take her down. When Cbear asked to see the DL video, Nikki said she went back and read Cbear’s log. At that time, she could fairly infer the same thing I inferred–that Cbear’s request was not genuine, and that she was the accused e-inflater of numbers. So, she lashed out at Cbear.
And then you and BG came in and offered her constructive advice. Right?
I wish you would take responsibility for the inappropriateness of your remarks to Nikki. They were not justified. I don’t care what Nikki said or did. I don’t care how bad her 1 bench press video was or how certain you are that she didn’t complete that lift. The ONLY thing that matters is what you do and say.
If I were good at quoting, I would quote you in full right here. Read what you wrote.
So what do you say stronghold? Are you a man? Show us your balls. Apologize.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
RE: Constructive criticism.
IMO, the MEANEST thing you can do for someone who wants to get better is blow smoke up their ass and not tell them where and why they suck.
Every serious (non-commercial gym) training environment that I’ve ever been a part of has been like that. You better have thick skin and open ears, or you’re not going to get better and people are going to stop wasting their time trying to help you.
I ride Buckeye hard in the gym because I want her to get better. She gets pissed sometimes when I tell her to change something, but she gets better, and she knows I’m not doing it to be mean. Bear will tell you that Jason does the same to her.
Go check out the BOI subforum sometime. Generally speaking, the guys in there don’t mince words (I know I don’t) if someone is sucking it up or half assing something. For a group comprised almost entirely of 19-25 year old dudes with high testosterone and everything that comes with that, you rarely, if ever, see anyone taking criticism personally. I made a post a while back telling another guy that he was being a goddamned retard, and he thanked me. If you want to get better, you listen to outside views. If you want to pretend you’re already better than everyone, you stick with your own little personal groupthink and don’t.[/quote]
I’m going to agree with this; particularly the first part about blowing smoke. We have a lifter who was never treated very seriously and would be told in the warm up room that his squats were good only to bomb. My guy took it upon himself to let the other guy know he was high and what he should do to fix it.
I get pissed off and annoyed as crap when BB picks apart my form and doesn’t tell me I’m god’s gift to powerlifting. However, I’m closing in on an elite total so I can be pissy but it’s done it’s job. He gets laid too.
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
RE: Constructive criticism.
IMO, the MEANEST thing you can do for someone who wants to get better is blow smoke up their ass and not tell them where and why they suck.
Every serious (non-commercial gym) training environment that I’ve ever been a part of has been like that. You better have thick skin and open ears, or you’re not going to get better and people are going to stop wasting their time trying to help you.
I ride Buckeye hard in the gym because I want her to get better. She gets pissed sometimes when I tell her to change something, but she gets better, and she knows I’m not doing it to be mean. Bear will tell you that Jason does the same to her.
Go check out the BOI subforum sometime. Generally speaking, the guys in there don’t mince words (I know I don’t) if someone is sucking it up or half assing something. For a group comprised almost entirely of 19-25 year old dudes with high testosterone and everything that comes with that, you rarely, if ever, see anyone taking criticism personally. I made a post a while back telling another guy that he was being a goddamned retard, and he thanked me. If you want to get better, you listen to outside views. If you want to pretend you’re already better than everyone, you stick with your own little personal groupthink and don’t.[/quote]
I’m going to agree with this; particularly the first part about blowing smoke. We have a lifter who was never treated very seriously and would be told in the warm up room that his squats were good only to bomb. My guy took it upon himself to let the other guy know he was high and what he should do to fix it.
I get pissed off and annoyed as crap when BB picks apart my form and doesn’t tell me I’m god’s gift to powerlifting. However, I’m closing in on an elite total so I can be pissy but it’s done it’s job. He gets laid too.[/quote]
Too bad it’s not what is going on here.
Unless you consider lame hints in another thread that Nikki isn’t even reading about fake numbers and accusations of lying constructive criticism.
I’m inside my house wearing a hat.
A wool hat. That’s just silly.
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
I like how you cut out the entirety of your response to Nikki and how you didn’t cite to any of the constructive criticism that Nikki so rudely rejected.
But, for the sake of argument, let’s say you’re correct-- Nikki couldn’t handle the constructive criticism so generously offered by you and BG. That justifies your response how?
[/quote]
The remarks about constructive criticism were regarding Nikki taking anything MiM, et al said as an attack. I guess you could consider what I posted “constructive criticism” since not lying about your lifts and not pretending you’re something you aren’t will go a long way towards making a person a better lifter.
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
And even now, several days later, with a number of people chiming in on the inappropriateness of your conduct, here you are, still posting in her log, still steadfast in your belief that your behavior is beyond reproach.
It takes real strength and real courage to be honest and to admit mistakes. [/quote]
Then I’ll be waiting for Nikki to admit she’s lying about touching her benches and not having that 165 pulled off of her by the spotter.
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
Back in May Cbear put out some kind of warning–it had been “brought to her attention” that someone was inflating their numbers. Was that you, SH? I think those warnings occurred 2x. Then, she asked for video of Nikki’s row–making clear to anyone who can read that Nikki was the accused. But, the row video wasn’t awful enough to take her down. When Cbear asked to see the DL video, Nikki said she went back and read Cbear’s log. At that time, she could fairly infer the same thing I inferred–that Cbear’s request was not genuine, and that she was the accused e-inflater of numbers. So, she lashed out at Cbear.
And then you and BG came in and offered her constructive advice. Right? [/quote]
I was not aware that Nikki was lying about her lifts until Bear brought it up.
I don’t care about the rows or the deadlifts, or any of that. She lied about the bench back when, and now that she’s pressed with questions again, she continues to lie.
The ridiculous part of this is that Nikki made an out and out personal attack and said Bear “wasn’t much at all” and should “run off with her tail between her legs”. Absolutely laughable given the fact that NONE of Nikki’s lifts would pass in a real competition, and all of Bear’s have. Again, laughable because Bear’s physique is one Nikki could aspire to have sometime in the next decade. There’s a lot of butthurt in this thread, and it’s all due to the fact that someone got their fantasy land trampled on by some people who are busy DOING what Nikki is pretending.
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
I don’t care what Nikki said or did. I don’t care how bad her 1 bench press video was or how certain you are that she didn’t complete that lift. The ONLY thing that matters is what you do and say. [/quote]
Thanks for clearing that up and showing your hand. You don’t care that she lies about her numbers. You care about not hurting her feelings and playing into her pretend world.
By the way, there are way more than 1 of these bench videos she’s passing off as legit.
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
So what do you say stronghold? Are you a man? Show us your balls. Apologize.
[/quote]
I say what I’ve been saying all along: Nikki is lying about her bench, getting called out for it, lying again.
I don’t see why that warrants an apology, but I don’t apologize in the first place. That’s one of my rules. You want to see my balls? Here they are: I don’t care how far up Nikki’s ass you are, I stand by my statements and you can deal with it however you please.
Constructive criticism: Touch the bar to your chest when you bench. Don’t have the spotter pull it off of you. Don’t just film it from a different angle than before and lie about it touching your chest.
Good enough for the thread police, Deb?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Constructive criticism: Touch the bar to your chest when you bench. Don’t have the spotter pull it off of you. Don’t just film it from a different angle than before and lie about it touching your chest.
Good enough for the thread police, Deb?[/quote]
Oh just fucking suck it up already. You accused Nikki of lying and you were WRONG. You now look incredibly stupid and won’t admit it.
There’s really nothing else to say.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Constructive criticism: Touch the bar to your chest when you bench. Don’t have the spotter pull it off of you. Don’t just film it from a different angle than before and lie about it touching your chest.
Good enough for the thread police, Deb?[/quote]
Oh just fucking suck it up already. You accused Nikki of lying and you were WRONG. You now look incredibly stupid and won’t admit it.
There’s really nothing else to say.[/quote]
Deb: He’s BG’s problem. I appreciate you having my back.
SH: Grow some balls. You’re a bully. I don’t care what your total is. You’re weak in character.
[quote]debraD wrote:
Oh just fucking suck it up already. You accused Nikki of lying and you were WRONG. You now look incredibly stupid and won’t admit it.
There’s really nothing else to say.[/quote]
No, I wasn’t.
I’ve attached screencaps from the bottom of two of her bench videos. Check out her upper arm angle in relation to the bench. Also notice the distance between the collars and her elbow.
Nikki claimed she touched her chest because she has boobs and they made up for the very apparent discrepancies in the video, but shes touching below, nearer to the zyphoid process.
Get the fuck over yourself, Deb. Let Nikki fight her own battle.
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
Deb: He’s BG’s problem. I appreciate you having my back.
SH: Grow some balls. You’re a bully. I don’t care what your total is. You’re weak in character. [/quote]
Wait. I’m wanting people to be honest about their lifts.
You’re defending someone who is blatantly lying and even admit that you don’t care that they’re lying.
Pot, meet kettle.
SH: You’re right I’m defending the accused. That’s what I do. I don’t think she’s lying though. And I think that even though I also think her bench video on page 1 of her log is not technically a “good” lift. Figure that one out.
And you, you’re the form police on PW. Proud of that? Your presence in this log is toxic. I’m sticking around because this is Nikki’s log. You post what you want to anywhere else. But I’m pissing here.
