[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Anyone hungry for steak?[/quote]
HI:)
I too, am not a fan of the bullfighting, running of the bulls…etc.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Animal torture? I don’t see how anyone can claim the bull is tortured during a bullfight, it’s killed. However the horses at one time were tortured and the padding has helped prevent it, I think more sufficient padding should be mandated to protect the horse though.[/quote]
sucks to be stupid
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sucks that you’re just another person sitting on a high horse doing NOTHING but complain/cry about boo hoo hoo “animal torture”…
Let me ask you exactly WHAT ARE YOU DOING to help these bulls? Have you donated money for your cause? Have you joined any online rallies/signed petitions ? Have you gone to Spain and protested in person?
If not, honestly in the grand scheme of things you don’t give too much of a damn about this supposed horrible “animal torture”. Cause the real activists are out there in the trenches, not belittling people online with pompous attitudes.
Here I got another vid for you, another woman matador, in their eyes it’s a rare magnificent art full of passion, honor, danger and I don’t EVER see it going away really.
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Fella, this is a thread about bull fighting and I am stating my opinion. So get off your Johnny Walker Horse. Who said I was an activist? And where am I complaining? Reread and get back to me.
I consider it animal torture. Obviously you don’t agree that stabbing an inhumanely treated captive animal over and over again with spears and barbs and having their ears cut off for the enjoyment of a crowd, to be torture.
yah… not gonna agree with you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
Look, its torture. But its medium torture. [/quote]
Agreed. So is keeping a huge cow in a small stall most of its life, sticking those PAINLESS needles filled with hormones into its neck and ending its life with a nail gun before you eat it.
Th difference is, some of us realize this so we don’t sit here and cry because a matador did their job in a ring half way across the globe.
The ONLY people with the right to be so “disgusted” here are those who don’t eat meat.
Everyone else is a fucking hypocrite.[/quote]
Not true.
EDIT:
This isn’t a thread about all animals and how all animals are treated. It is a thread about a gored matador.
Unlike Push and X who say “it’s there country they can do what they want” I have an opinion on the subject that I see bull fighting as animal torture. I also believe that Push and X do have negative opinions of some traditions and practices in other countries and that not all is just accepted because it is in a foreign country.
I just take things on a case by case basis and make an opinion. Doesn’t make a person a hypocrite, a hypocrite would be someone that says “it’s their country and they can do what they want.” but then turns around and is against a different tradition in a foreign country. That would be a hypocrite.
I could be wrong, it could be that Push and X are completely okay with every tradition and practice in other countries, but I don’t think so.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
Look, its torture. But its medium torture. [/quote]
Agreed. So is keeping a huge cow in a small stall most of its life, sticking those PAINLESS needles filled with hormones into its neck and ending its life with a nail gun before you eat it.
Th difference is, some of us realize this so we don’t sit here and cry because a matador did their job in a ring half way across the globe.
The ONLY people with the right to be so “disgusted” here are those who don’t eat meat.
Everyone else is a fucking hypocrite.[/quote]
Not true.
EDIT:
This isn’t a thread about all animals and how all animals are treated. It is a thread about a gored matador.
Unlike Push and X who say “it’s there country they can do what they want” I have an opinion on the subject that I see bull fighting as animal torture. I also believe that Push and X do have negative opinions of some traditions and practices in other countries and that not all is just accepted because it is in a foreign country.
I just take things on a case by case basis and make an opinion. Doesn’t make a person a hypocrite, a hypocrite would be someone that says “it’s their country and they can do what they want.” but then turns around and is against a different tradition in a foreign country. That would be a hypocrite.
I could be wrong, it could be that Push and X are completely okay with every tradition and practice in other countries, but I don’t think so.[/quote]
do you eat meat?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
First intermission brought to you by the Kobe Beef Council:
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I think I’m going to head down to Kobe and see if they’re taking applications.
That cow’s life seems about 35-50% better than mine. I want in.
[quote]nrt wrote:
You do get docile bulls which won’t fight and end up being led out of the arena. Rare, though.
If you talk to anyone who knows anything at all about it, the first thing you’ll hear is that bullfighting is not a sport. It’s an art. Hemmingway wrote a good book on it, although I think the chapter in Michener’s Iberia is better. I’ve probably been to 15 bullfights across Spain, and I ran with the bulls in Pamplona some time ago. I wouldn’t really try to justify it - it’s a leftover from another era, and would probably have been abolished by forward-looking Spaniards some time ago, but tourism has kept it quite profitable. Certainly all my friends in Spain hate it. I do think you have to be a vegetarian to have ethical qualms with bullfighting - the fighting bull has a far better life than almost all meat animals.[/quote]
It’ll never be abolished so long as there’s interest in it and it’s profitable. Not to mention that the government of Spain feels tauromaquia is very much a part of the tradition and culture of Spain lol.
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[quote]goldengloves wrote:
If the bull is stabbed then it’s because it charged the horse of the picador and has shown to be aggressive, however if a bull in the ring has no will to fight it isn’t forced to fight.[/quote]
Who are you trying to kid here? Here is an animal in a strange environment, going where the fuck am I and why is there all this noise and you think it’s going to be docile? Let’s not forget the animal is also male, because you know, the male of a species is never aggressive. Right?[/quote]
I’m not kidding anyone, some are only kidding themselves. The bull is in the ring because it’s bred to be a fighting bull, not only is it bred to be a fighting bull but it’s also selected because they feel it’ll be suitable for bullfighting. In the ring or at the ranch it’ll be aggressive, it’s just doing what’s in its nature. Generations of bulls and matadors have been fighting each other for some time now, it’s not by chance they meet in the ring.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Animal torture? I don’t see how anyone can claim the bull is tortured during a bullfight, it’s killed. However the horses at one time were tortured and the padding has helped prevent it, I think more sufficient padding should be mandated to protect the horse though.[/quote]
sucks to be stupid
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sucks that you’re just another person sitting on a high horse doing NOTHING but complain/cry about boo hoo hoo “animal torture”…
Let me ask you exactly WHAT ARE YOU DOING to help these bulls? Have you donated money for your cause? Have you joined any online rallies/signed petitions ? Have you gone to Spain and protested in person?
If not, honestly in the grand scheme of things you don’t give too much of a damn about this supposed horrible “animal torture”. Cause the real activists are out there in the trenches, not belittling people online with pompous attitudes.
Here I got another vid for you, another woman matador, in their eyes it’s a rare magnificent art full of passion, honor, danger and I don’t EVER see it going away really.
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Fella, this is a thread about bull fighting and I am stating my opinion. So get off your Johnny Walker Horse. Who said I was an activist? And where am I complaining? Reread and get back to me.
I consider it animal torture. Obviously you don’t agree that stabbing an inhumanely treated captive animal over and over again with spears and barbs and having their ears cut off for the enjoyment of a crowd, to be torture.
yah… not gonna agree with you.
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Would you mind explaining how the bull is treated inhumanely?