[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
i carry a collapsible baton so i can make use of my DBMA skills.[/quote]
DBMA is good stuff, love those guys.
[quote]Bujutsuka wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Here’s a serious question…If you’re in a situation with a gun ,you have no escape…and it’s pretty much guaranteed that you are going to get shot…what are you going to do? Remember,you said gun disarms are easy…so enlighten us all.
Can you be a little more specific? How close is the guy? Is he behind me, in front of me? Is he hostile or calm? Do you actually want me to explain the technique?
And just to be clear, if someone has a weapon, especially a gun or knife, compliance is the only way to go. Disarms are to be saved for when you have reason to believe you’re going to be killed or seriously injured regardless of cooperation.[/quote]
Okay, this is where I was going with my previous post about guns and disarms…I thought you were advocating a disarm rather than compliance, but I guess you weren’t so I don’t have a point.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
imo, krav maga is the hands down favorite for disarming/disabling/killing would be assailants/murderers. that being said, you train in krav maga to straight up destroy your opponent. also, I dont carry a knife, and don’t advocate it unless you are seriously trained in its use. the reason for carrying a knife or firearm is to kill the attacker, at least thats my mindset. the odds are that you will probably hurt yourself more than the assailant if you plan on doing anything else besides brandishing your giant KBAR. finally the best defense is not to have the victim mentality. learn to control your space and your pretty much good to go.[/quote]
I agree. Krav Maga basically uses Bruce Lee’s philosophy of stripping away the unessentials. It’s simple, to the point and very effective. I already said it in a previous post, but to reinforce it to the OP, Krav Maga is probably what you’re looking for.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Bujutsuka wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Stabbing someone is usually a bad idea. Legally you are far better off shooting someone or clubbing them with a random object.
Please elaborate
Prosecutors tend to see carrying knives as premeditation. If you stab someone with your carry knife they do not see it as self defense.
This is quite well known.[/quote]
Wouldn’t carrying a gun or a club also be seen as premeditation? Knives have a variety of uses while guns have only one.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bujutsuka wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Stabbing someone is usually a bad idea. Legally you are far better off shooting someone or clubbing them with a random object.
Please elaborate
Prosecutors tend to see carrying knives as premeditation. If you stab someone with your carry knife they do not see it as self defense.
This is quite well known.
Which of course, is ridiculas and asinine. I mean, of course it’s premeditated, all good self defense is!
The law it seems, at least as it pertains to self defense, does not favor the prepared. Nothing makes me more insane than to hear about cases when some dicksmack tries to rob someone, and after getting seriously hurt in the process by someone who prepared for the scenario of protecting his/her life and property; hires an attorney and sues the individual that was acting in self defense.
I carry a knife everywhere, and know how to use it with confidence. I also wouldn’t hesitate to cut someone trying to harm me or my family. Although, lately I’ve been considering getting my CCW permit. Even if I don’t carry my pistol, it would at least show that I was a citizen who put some legal forethought into my self defense, and not some thug who was just looking for his opportunity to cut someone.
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Of course it is asinine but many things are. Being physically prepared to defend yourself is great but be prepared to defend yourself in court as well.
[quote]Bujutsuka wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bujutsuka wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Stabbing someone is usually a bad idea. Legally you are far better off shooting someone or clubbing them with a random object.
Please elaborate
Prosecutors tend to see carrying knives as premeditation. If you stab someone with your carry knife they do not see it as self defense.
This is quite well known.
Wouldn’t carrying a gun or a club also be seen as premeditation? Knives have a variety of uses while guns have only one.[/quote]
You would think so but historically that is not the case. In the eyes of many prosecutors respectable people carry guns (as long as they have the correct documentation), low lifes carry knives.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Bujutsuka wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Stabbing someone is usually a bad idea. Legally you are far better off shooting someone or clubbing them with a random object.
Please elaborate
Prosecutors tend to see carrying knives as premeditation. If you stab someone with your carry knife they do not see it as self defense.
This is quite well known.[/quote]
I will have to disagree. Depends on where you are. In many rural areas everyone has a knife because it is just another farm implement (like a shotgun). In an urban area the story is different.
Point is that if you are in the sticks chances are very good indeed that the other guy is armed. No jury would see it as unusual at all that Bubba had his knife available, nor would it count as premeditation. Moreover, if there were a disparity of force, using a knife might well be justified (e.g. a small woman that pulls a knife on a large male attacker, or Bubba gets set upon by a few guys).
That said, if you cannot show a good reason for having a knife then it might count against you. Generally knives as weapons are very poor at self-defense and very good at murder. It is certainly true that a lot of people who are looking for a fight carry one as backup, and I think that is the case you are thinking about, right? Generally someone who is picking a fair fight with you does so because he has a trump card.
Pet peeve with the MA community is a lot of people teach “knife fighting” which is a quick trip to the slammer. In several oriental countries, people duel with knives but in the US they generally beat the shit out of each other. A knife is reserved for homicide and whipping one out for a “fight” plus having studied such a system will count heavily against you. MA teachers don’t tell their students this and it’s a crying shame but then again, you can’t be Yoda if you really let them in on this little fact, can you?
– jj
Here’s the 2 best street tips I’ve come across in my years bouncing.
First, carry a handful of sand in your pocket at all times. If someone decided to talk shit or mug you with a knife, throw the sand in his eyes. One of the nastiest trick in the books, but extremely effective. He’ll be almost defensless, so you can either run away or follow up with whatever you want.
Second, get a stab-proof shirt made of carbon(I don’t know the correct english translation). Knifes are, at least here in Europe, a LOT more common than guns.
Or you could get the whole package which I always wore when I was working, bulletproof shirt, carbon pants, cup, carbon shoes, and the best thing of them all, gloves with lead plating in them.
That last thing is a loophole in European law because it’s not viewed as an illegal item/weapon, yet will protect your hands from breaking, protect against knifes AND increase the impact of your punch. You can grab the sharp part of a knife with your hands and it won’t cut trough. That makes knife-defense a shitload easier.
About which fighting style for self-defense the best is, the one you have the most fun doing, because you’ll enjoy doing it you’ll learn a lot faster. Stop overly worrying about self-defense, nothing gives 100% certainty anyway.
The worst is probably krav maga. It relies too much on filthy moves to claim “self-defense” when you’re in court. While no doubt very effective in winning the fight, stuff like punching someone’s throat in will get you jailtime even if you’ve been threathened with a knife, let alone a drunken bar fight.
[quote]Malchir wrote:
Or you could get the whole package which I always wore when I was working, bulletproof shirt, carbon pants, cup, carbon shoes, and the best thing of them all, gloves with lead plating in them.
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Did all the bouncers you worked with carry all this Armour? Thats pretty hardcore but I guess in dangerous job its almost must.
[quote]Malchir wrote:
Here’s the 2 best street tips I’ve come across in my years bouncing.
First, carry a handful of sand in your pocket at all times. If someone decided to talk shit or mug you with a knife, throw the sand in his eyes. One of the nastiest trick in the books, but extremely effective. He’ll be almost defensless, so you can either run away or follow up with whatever you want.
Second, get a stab-proof shirt made of carbon(I don’t know the correct english translation). Knifes are, at least here in Europe, a LOT more common than guns.
Or you could get the whole package which I always wore when I was working, bulletproof shirt, carbon pants, cup, carbon shoes, and the best thing of them all, gloves with lead plating in them.
That last thing is a loophole in European law because it’s not viewed as an illegal item/weapon, yet will protect your hands from breaking, protect against knifes AND increase the impact of your punch. You can grab the sharp part of a knife with your hands and it won’t cut trough. That makes knife-defense a shitload easier.
About which fighting style for self-defense the best is, the one you have the most fun doing, because you’ll enjoy doing it you’ll learn a lot faster. Stop overly worrying about self-defense, nothing gives 100% certainty anyway.
The worst is probably krav maga. It relies too much on filthy moves to claim “self-defense” when you’re in court. While no doubt very effective in winning the fight, stuff like punching someone’s throat in will get you jailtime even if you’ve been threathened with a knife, let alone a drunken bar fight.[/quote]
You’re full of shit
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
I’ll have to agree with the above statement, and recommend Muay Thai. Training at a good boxing gym wouldn’t be a waste of your time either. Either of these options will teach you how to use timing and distance, two universal concepts in all manners of fighting. You’ll also learn how to take a hit and keep on keepin’ on.
That said however, time on a judo or BJJ mat would do you a great service as well. Learning how NOT to go to the ground and escaping from that terrible position (on the street) when shit went wrong and you ended up there is a valuable skill.
Basically, find a good MMA gym. In this day and age, a decent one shouldn’t be too hard too find. A good MMA gym will give you a solid base in all of these ranges.
Good Luck!!
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hahahahha your name is big flamer
[quote]Malchir wrote:
Here’s the 2 best street tips I’ve come across in my years bouncing.
First, carry a handful of sand in your pocket at all times. If someone decided to talk shit or mug you with a knife, throw the sand in his eyes. One of the nastiest trick in the books, but extremely effective. He’ll be almost defensless, so you can either run away or follow up with whatever you want.
Second, get a stab-proof shirt made of carbon(I don’t know the correct english translation). Knifes are, at least here in Europe, a LOT more common than guns.
Or you could get the whole package which I always wore when I was working, bulletproof shirt, carbon pants, cup, carbon shoes, and the best thing of them all, gloves with lead plating in them.
That last thing is a loophole in European law because it’s not viewed as an illegal item/weapon, yet will protect your hands from breaking, protect against knifes AND increase the impact of your punch. You can grab the sharp part of a knife with your hands and it won’t cut trough. That makes knife-defense a shitload easier.
About which fighting style for self-defense the best is, the one you have the most fun doing, because you’ll enjoy doing it you’ll learn a lot faster. Stop overly worrying about self-defense, nothing gives 100% certainty anyway.
The worst is probably krav maga. It relies too much on filthy moves to claim “self-defense” when you’re in court. While no doubt very effective in winning the fight, stuff like punching someone’s throat in will get you jailtime even if you’ve been threathened with a knife, let alone a drunken bar fight.[/quote]
Wow dude. Wow.
[quote]shizen wrote:
Malchir wrote:
Or you could get the whole package which I always wore when I was working, bulletproof shirt, carbon pants, cup, carbon shoes, and the best thing of them all, gloves with lead plating in them.
Did all the bouncers you worked with carry all this Armour? Thats pretty hardcore but I guess in dangerous job its almost must. [/quote]
No. The club I worked for said it wasn’t needed to wear protection, but basicly they just said that so they didn’t have to buy us the protection, and we had to buy it ourselves, because it really was/is needed. So many of us didn’t have squat. But we were divided in teams with each our own tasks, and my whole team(4 bouncers me included) wore the same thing as me, 2 shinguards as well.
I always wore my full outfit, no matter what, even daytime summer parties when you sweat your ass of in all that gear. It probably saved my life once, as I got stabbed in the back with a swiss army knife. I ended up with just a bruised rib. Compare that with what would have happened if I didn’t wear any protection…
BTW, it’s not like it was really noticable I wore all that stuff, it was all easely concealable, except for the shoes and the gloves off course, but they looked like normal gloves and shoes.
[quote]Malchir wrote:
It probably saved my life once, as I got stabbed in the back with a swiss army knife. I ended up with just a bruised rib. Compare that with what would have happened if I didn’t wear any protection…
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From what you just described, sounds like you’d have gotten a black eye.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Malchir wrote:
It probably saved my life once, as I got stabbed in the back with a swiss army knife. I ended up with just a bruised rib. Compare that with what would have happened if I didn’t wear any protection…
From what you just described, sounds like you’d have gotten a black eye.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but I don’t really get it…
Something tells me you live in Fantasy Land.
[quote]Malchir wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Malchir wrote:
It probably saved my life once, as I got stabbed in the back with a swiss army knife. I ended up with just a bruised rib. Compare that with what would have happened if I didn’t wear any protection…
From what you just described, sounds like you’d have gotten a black eye.
I’m sorry, but I don’t really get it…[/quote]
Stabbed in the back but got bruised ribs, huh? How’d that work out?
Kind of like this one guy I met at a strip club once who had a broken leg.
“HEy man, how’d you break the leg?”
“Well, I’m a boxer.”
“uuhhhhh…Ok?”
[quote]shizen wrote:
Malchir wrote:
Or you could get the whole package which I always wore when I was working, bulletproof shirt, carbon pants, cup, carbon shoes, and the best thing of them all, gloves with lead plating in them.
Did all the bouncers you worked with carry all this Armour? Thats pretty hardcore but I guess in dangerous job its almost must. [/quote]
Please. This guy is full of shit.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Malchir wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Malchir wrote:
It probably saved my life once, as I got stabbed in the back with a swiss army knife. I ended up with just a bruised rib. Compare that with what would have happened if I didn’t wear any protection…
From what you just described, sounds like you’d have gotten a black eye.
I’m sorry, but I don’t really get it…
Stabbed in the back but got bruised ribs, huh? How’d that work out?
Kind of like this one guy I met at a strip club once who had a broken leg.
“HEy man, how’d you break the leg?”
“Well, I’m a boxer.”
“uuhhhhh…Ok?”
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The impact of the knife still somewhat goes though the protection a bit, it just doesn’t pierce the skin.
Basicly ramming a blunt steel stick in my back would do as much damage as a knife.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
shizen wrote:
Malchir wrote:
Or you could get the whole package which I always wore when I was working, bulletproof shirt, carbon pants, cup, carbon shoes, and the best thing of them all, gloves with lead plating in them.
Did all the bouncers you worked with carry all this Armour? Thats pretty hardcore but I guess in dangerous job its almost must.
Please. This guy is full of shit. [/quote]
If you’re going to be like that, suit yourself. I think I gave some valuable tips in this topic. You can do with them as you please.