[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
aiight, cool man, and of course its easy to generalise as i did. I just think, that by the looks of him - 6,000 calories would be a HELL OF ALOT. And consuming over 10,000 calories as suggested by someone above, i just think i’d sooner take steroids than subject myself to that.
Don’t get me wrong, there are training protocols that require 10,000-12,000 calories - particularly for endurance athletes. But again, i was generalise “bodybuilding” and assume he would be training, say, 5 sets of 8-12 reps of say 5 exercises, M/W/F, with plenty of rest and sleep.
For sure, a 250lb bodybuilder 6,000 calories ain’t NOTHING and would be needed to grow. But i think, if your asking a guy of his average size to consume anythign approaching 10,000 calories - then why not just tell him to eat 4,500 cals and take steroids?
Other than the fact that he’s only been training for two years, which is in reality the REAL issue of his experience deficiency which needs to be addressed.
Of course i make these points as humbly as i can, and will defer to anyone of your better judgements due to my own lack of experience with steroids (relatively) and lack of interest in bodybuilding per se.
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I would agree with you that the real issue is his experience deficiency and terribly young training age. And for a 3 day split you’re probably right as well. But personally I know very few “big” guys who are only in the gym 3 days a week, natural or not. Most often it’s 4 days minimum, and 5 is definitely common. Training 5 days a week very hard will require significantly more calories to grow.
Lastly, I agree that 6K calories sucks to eat :). Maybe not on Thanksgiving, but doing it day in and day out blows donkey. But don’t get too hung up on the numbers, the 6 and 10K numbers were just used as examples for the general concept of eating MOAR food until the scale starts moving.
Way too many people have trouble with that concept, especially newbs. They feel–and rightly so–that they are eating way more calories than they ever ate before on a consistent basis and they wonder why they stopped growing. Well the simple truth is that they are getting hung up on how big the numbers “look” compared to people around them. They need to forget than and they need to just eat more. You eat more until the damn scale moves, whatever number that is.
Whether that food turns to fat or muscle depends on your training. Whether the scale moves up or down depends on your eating.
Too many people feel like they’re not growing because they’re not doing enough in the gym. This is almost never the case. It’s always the kitchen. Always. If you eat enough, you’re going to grow one way (pudgy) or the other (brick shithouse). The only factor in deciding between those is your training.