Damn.Who didn’t believe that! If you want bigger arms you better work those legs! You’re damn right!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Aren’t you the guy who thought someone was joking when they gave advice to squat if you wanted to increase muscle mass even in your arms?
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Yes, but the quality of those calories matter as well. I’m not saying you don’t realise that, but I think it’s more important.
If all of those calories came from twinkies, the overall calorie count matters much less.
What if, say, a guy is over 25% bf, and he’s been maintaining his current weight with 4000 calories that are full of over processed carbs and trans fats, with very little protein?
Don’t you think he could gain muscle mass, and lose fat with a better, lower calorie diet with more complete protein, good fats and quality carbs? I think he can.
The stage that the person is currently in will also come into play with that ‘golden rule’.
Sorry fahd. I was being a dick I guess. As simple as my post sounded, it was intended to remind people of the importance of caloric balance. I myself, as well as numerous others, get so caught up in programs and timed sets and macros and pc/pf combos that we soon forget the most important rule, The Golden Rule that can and will solve all your training woes if applied properly. Nothing is more important.
I’ve been simultaneously losing fat and gaining muscle/strength for the 4 years I’ve been training. My lifts have gone from pitiful to a 1000lb PL total as my waist dropped from 40 to 35 inches. If I eat a caloric surplus even of clean, healthy foods I GET FAT. Period.
Conversely, if I cut my calories I get weak and lose muscle, NOT fat. Maybe I’m the only Tortoise among all you Hares but for me: Slow and steady wins the race. I’m in this for general longterm health, and to look good nekid! I constantly periodize and change up my diet and workouts but not to the unhealthy bodybuilder YoYo extremes. Common sense tells me that’s not good for me. If it works for you, go for it.
BTW, I’m 6’2" @ 220lbs ~16%BF. I’ll have replaced several more pounds of fat with lean muscle by next Xmas without ever doing the bulkin/cuttin dance. Count on it!
I hear that donuts are the big secret…
[quote]Pound4Pound wrote:
Sorry fahd. I was being a dick I guess. As simple as my post sounded, it was intended to remind people of the importance of caloric balance. I myself, as well as numerous others, get so caught up in programs and timed sets and macros and pc/pf combos that we soon forget the most important rule, The Golden Rule that can and will solve all your training woes if applied properly. Nothing is more important.[/quote]
I am sorry too for being a bit of a dick . But its good that this is becoming an interesting discussion. I agree that provided that we consume enough EFA and protein, a calorie is a calorie.
Someone who is bulking should not get to caught up with food combining, which is ‘voodoo bullshit nutrition’ in the words of Lyle Mcdonald. Make sure the caloric intake, protein and EFA intake is sufficient, and you definetly WILL put on weight.
After a few sleepless nights with plenty of mind-altering durgs and meditations in his college dorm (with empty beer cans and a bed that has not been made for 3 months), Fahd/New Screenname: fuckin A, has achieved Nirvana and realized the essesnce of strength training nutrition:
Eat more to gain weight
Eat less to lose weight
Don’t eat like shit
Consume EFA and vegetables
Also, on the other end of what I said in my last post; if a scrawny guy, who has never worked out before DECREASES his overall calories, and starts to train with heavy (relatively) compound movements, with lots of rest, I bet he will gain some muscle due to his body squirting out more hormones than he’s used to.
Another example where that golden rule doesn’t work would be if someone is in great, muscular shape, then stops working out, or maybe changes his routine to a much lower volume, lower intensity workout, and ups his overall calories, he’s not going to gain LBM, even with this calorie surplus.
Important? Yes. Most important? There’s too many variables to say for sure, but I doubt it.
Not all of us have as much respect for Lyle or his opinions as you do.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
fahd wrote:Someone who is bulking should not get to caught up with food combining, which is ‘voodoo bullshit nutrition’ in the words of Lyle Mcdonald.
Not all of us have as much respect for Lyle or his opinions as you do.[/quote]
The feeling is mutual for whoever your favourite “guru” is, from me and many other forums.
Hey Fucking Asshole…
That’s funny dude.
[quote]Fucking Asshole wrote:
The feeling is mutual for whoever your favourite “guru” is, from me and many other forums.[/quote]
I don’t have a guru.
I prefer to look at the science behind various dietary recommendations and expeiment to find what works best for me and my clients.
This way I don’t have to parrot what Lyle or any one else says.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
I prefer to look at the science behind various dietary recommendations and expeiment to find what works best for me and my clients.
That was I don’t have to parrot what Lyle or any one else says.[/quote]
So do you mean quoting a respected expert automatically = not looking at science behind dietary recommendations?
Thanks for this new relevation.
[quote]fahd wrote:
After a few sleepless nights with plenty of mind-altering durgs and meditations in his college dorm (with empty beer cans and a bed that has not been made for 3 months), Fahd/New Screenname: fuckin A, has achieved Nirvana and realized the essesnce of strength training nutrition:
Eat more to gain weight
Eat less to lose weight
Don’t eat like shit
Consume EFA and vegetables
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That’s basically it.
[quote]Fucking Asshole wrote:
ChrisKing wrote:
I prefer to look at the science behind various dietary recommendations and expeiment to find what works best for me and my clients.
That was I don’t have to parrot what Lyle or any one else says.
So do you mean quoting a respected expert automatically = not looking at science behind dietary recommendations?
Thanks for this new relevation.
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I’m referring to those who feel the need to buy into everything a particular “guru” says because that is who they’ve choosen to follow. In other words, they are unable to critically analyze a particular expert’s work and take what makes sense and leave the crap because so-and-so is their guy.
These people often go around quoting their guru while lacking an in-depth knowledge of the science behind such recommendations. They can often spit out a couple of “facts,” but they don’t really know much about the topic beyond what they have read from their guru.
They also often get into arguments on the Internet with those who don’t worship their guru like they do, which is silly because any real expert’s work should stand the test of time on its own.
[quote]Pound4Pound wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Aren’t you the guy who thought someone was joking when they gave advice to squat if you wanted to increase muscle mass even in your arms?
I posted a joke about one-armed incline reverse grip cable curls with a 5-5-5 reps cadence packing serious mass on your biceps PEAK. A joke!! Then buddy replied very seriously about not being able to build the peak etc etc.
I didn’t know if he was joking or if he really was stupid enough not to realize I was joking! I guess he wan’t the only one. LOL:)[/quote]
Who you calling stupid son ? Huh ? I must be fuckin thick, having to get by with a poxy doctorate in Food Science. I know that doesn’t make me an authority on training ,but it beats the hell out of the intellect you garnered from reading Razzle.
Lmao! Good one.
[quote]Victor Lustig wrote:
Pound4Pound wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Aren’t you the guy who thought someone was joking when they gave advice to squat if you wanted to increase muscle mass even in your arms?
I posted a joke about one-armed incline reverse grip cable curls with a 5-5-5 reps cadence packing serious mass on your biceps PEAK. A joke!! Then buddy replied very seriously about not being able to build the peak etc etc.
I didn’t know if he was joking or if he really was stupid enough not to realize I was joking! I guess he wan’t the only one. LOL:)
Who you calling stupid son ? Huh ? I must be fuckin thick, having to get by with a poxy doctorate in Food Science. I know that doesn’t make me an authority on training ,but it beats the hell out of the intellect you garnered from reading Razzle.[/quote]
[quote]Pound4Pound wrote:
fahd wrote:
Pound4Pound wrote:
PublickStews wrote:
To gain mass you gotta eat more, thats rocket science.
You’re 6’ 195! I have jogger friends heavier than that at that height that don’t lift! Take my dietary advice please, put on 30 lbs and then you might look like you lift weights.
I’m trying to help here!![/quote]
And i’m 170, lifting at an almost ntn’l level, what’s your point?
Pound4Pound : you can talk the talk but can you walk the walk, what are your stats on Height, bodyweight and fat percentage?.
[quote]smt_007 wrote:
Pound4Pound : you can talk the talk but can you walk the walk, what are your stats on Height, bodyweight and fat percentage?.[/quote]
5’8" 193, 11-12% bf. I just started a serious bulk this week, my goal is 220 by february. I got inspired by the Strider progress pics. I’ll keep you informed on my progress. I’m trying to gain 2-3lb/week.