Golden Boy vs. Pretty Boy

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[quote]vbm537 wrote:
B-Mac13 wrote:
While I agree that Floyd has a big mouth, it’s great entertainment. I’ve been watching the HBO specials leading up to the fight and they’re great. I think Floyd will win, which like someone said, could potentially lead to Mosley V. Mayweather.

I am sure money can change someones mind but Mayweather said in an interview a while ago this was his last fight. He said Mosley had earlier chances to fight him and chickened out so he could care less to fight him now. But like I said, I am sure money may change his mind.

Maybe I am in denial…I still think De La Hoya has a chance.[/quote]

I am with you. I think Oscar has a good chance. Someone was telling me Mosley has said after sparring with De La Hoya that he thinks Oscar is going to surprise him.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
texasguy wrote:
i think boxing is extremely boring when compared to mma.

I think your avatar is extremely gay compared to this pic.[/quote]

I needed a good laugh.

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[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
texasguy wrote:
i think boxing is extremely boring when compared to mma.

Of course, MMA from its inception was designed for entertainment, Boxing was designed to be a sport. Just once boxers realized you make more money entertaining people they decided to try to do everything outside of the ring to draw attention, but once the fight starts its an actual fight Between two highly conditioned to win fighters.

Boxing isn’t losing attention to MMA, if anything MMA has brought attention back to boxing. People used to watch one maybe two Tyson fights a year. With MMA getting big now people are watching Boxing more trying to figure out if they can beat the MMA fighters.

Perhaps you should inform the boxing promoters and TV providers who keep complaining about losing money and dropping boxing programming about this.

You can find at least a half dozen broadcasts on basic cable about MMA every single day, and other than Friday Night Fights on ESPN you won’t find anything about boxing. American professional sports are centered around television broadcasting, and the saturation of a product on that medium is generally a barometer it’s current sucess and popularity. Boxing is a long, long way behind MMA at this point in the game.

The only guy left who draws PPV buys comparable to what the UFC does is Oscar, once he’s gone things are going to look pretty sad.[/quote]

As I said MMA was designed from its inception for Entertainment. They have turned down great fighters because they were boring. It’s much more entertaining to see a big ole tough looking guy get knocked out and pounded, then see a great fighter hold a choke for 3 minutes just to win a round(sport wrestling).

I also said Boxing has not lost popularity due to MMA. Anybody who has followed boxing knows it started losing popularity way before MMA got big, specially after Tyson. Lennox Lewis as great as a fighter as he was, was boring. The heavyweight devision which ALWAYS carried boxing lost steam. Regardless of how good the light weight division is, what the Masses want to see and pay for is somebody “getting knocked the fuck out”, which was more likely to happen in a heavyweight bout. Boxing as a whole did not always command great ppv revenue, Tyson did(A character that still brings in money). Don king also has a hand in the destruction of boxing but I will skip that for now.

MMA is a fighting sport with characters(Green hair…mohawks…). People walking into punches, throwing fights, and great attention grabbing background histories. Now with MMA getting big the masses are starting to look at boxing again, even if only for comparison sake.

MMA is to Boxing, what WWE is to the sport of Wrestling. NOBODY watches real wrestling, and it’s not because the WWE came out.

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Floyd by UD. I’d love to see Oscar take it, but he would have to knock him out. No way does he outbox Floyd over 12 rounds at this point in his career. Even if Oscar has looked good in sparring with Mosley, Floyd uses his speed differently than Sugar does.

It’s not a great comparison between Mosley and Mayweather. Oscar has a puncher’s chance with that left hook, but Floyd’s defense is phenomenal. The smart money is with the Pretty Boy.

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Mayweather should beat De La Hoya, providing he still has some power when he steps up in weight again.

However, seen as though power is not what Mayweather relies on, i do not see it being a problem even if his punches are lacking. Mayweather is so fast he just does not get hit.

So i’m sayin Mayweather on points.

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[quote]RatHunter wrote:
This is a money fight for Oscar. Like previous posters have said before, Oscar hasn’t won against a decent fighter in four years. He got beat by all the top fighters he’s faced. Mayweather is undefeated. Oscar is obviously taking this fight for the money, much like Gatti’s “retirement” fight vs. Mayweather.

Both guys had/have no chance against the younger, faster, and more talented Mayweather, and this will probably be Oscar’s last fight as well. Time to cash in the check.

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Obviously only Oscar knows his intention in taking the fight, but I don’t think you could be more wrong. Oscar believes he can win (he can’t, but I wish he would). Also, do you know how much money Oscar has? Between boxing, singing, and promoting, Oscar doesn’t have to do anything for money, especially get smoked by a superior boxer in front of millions. He did not take this fight for the check.

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[quote]snewland22 wrote:
Obviously only Oscar knows his intention in taking the fight, but I don’t think you could be more wrong. Oscar believes he can win (he can’t, but I wish he would). Also, do you know how much money Oscar has? Between boxing, singing, and promoting, Oscar doesn’t have to do anything for money, especially get smoked by a superior boxer in front of millions. He did not take this fight for the check.[/quote]

Oscar has a lot of promotions going on and is just going to cover up his face while fighting. That is the only reason why this fight is happening, money. I think it is hilarious you don’t think he did it for money. Why does he do all the promotions? Money.

In the end a boxer one of the key things people look at is how much money the boxer made. I think I heard Oscar is guarenteed around 30 million for this fight whether he wins or loses. You don’t think that weighs in at all? You are a fool.

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Perhaps I’m reading it wrong, but I disagree with your contention that somehow MMA is not as much of a sport as boxing. From a marketing standpoint, yes MMA holds more in common with professional wrestling than other combat sports. It is centered around promoters and brand names, and you are right in that regards. As a sport though, given the horrid corruption that goes on in boxing you could easily argue that MMA is far more legitimate at this point as a competitive event.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
MMA is a fighting sport with characters(Green hair…mohawks…). People walking into punches, throwing fights, and great attention grabbing background histories. Now with MMA getting big the masses are starting to look at boxing again, even if only for comparison sake.[/quote]

None of this is unique to MMA. Boxers have great background stories, boxers throw fights, boxers walk into stupid punches. The issue is that boxing has no avenue to get this stuff out there anymore. 30 years ago everybody knew the legend of Roberto Duran knocking out a bull, nowadays 90% of people couldn’t correctly name a welterweight title holder.

I really do not think many people are watching MMA, then going “Hey I want to see boxing now.” If they are, that is great, but they are a drop in the bucket compared to the number people who used to watched boxing when it was accessible to the mainstream that are now watching the UFC. I know quite a few folks on this website who are this same way.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

As I said MMA was designed from its inception for Entertainment. They have turned down great fighters because they were boring.
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You obviously didn’t think this one through, because you can make a list of great boxers with a boring style who gets absolutely zero respect and can’t get fights even though they are very talented. Just look at John Ruiz.

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[quote]Kreal7 wrote:
snewland22 wrote:
Obviously only Oscar knows his intention in taking the fight, but I don’t think you could be more wrong. Oscar believes he can win (he can’t, but I wish he would). Also, do you know how much money Oscar has? Between boxing, singing, and promoting, Oscar doesn’t have to do anything for money, especially get smoked by a superior boxer in front of millions. He did not take this fight for the check.

Oscar has a lot of promotions going on and is just going to cover up his face while fighting. That is the only reason why this fight is happening, money. I think it is hilarious you don’t think he did it for money. Why does he do all the promotions? Money.

In the end a boxer one of the key things people look at is how much money the boxer made. I think I heard Oscar is guarenteed around 30 million for this fight whether he wins or loses. You don’t think that weighs in at all? You are a fool.

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Of course his business ventures are for money, and he makes a lot of it. Hence, he does not need to get beat up to make money. He has plenty of other options if money is his only goal.

There is no way Oscar punks out in this fight, like you suggest he will. It won’t be enough, but he will go all out trying to win. We’ll see who is right on Saturday.

Also, nice unprovoced and unnecessary name-calling. Shows an amazing maturity level.

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I agree that De La Hoya is going to surprise alot of people.

And though he may like the money, a fighter is still a fighter, and my idealistic mind hopes that he gets in there to win.

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[quote]snewland22 wrote:
Of course his business ventures are for money, and he makes a lot of it. Hence, he does not need to get beat up to make money. He has plenty of other options if money is his only goal.

There is no way Oscar punks out in this fight, like you suggest he will. It won’t be enough, but he will go all out trying to win. We’ll see who is right on Saturday.

Also, nice unprovoced and unnecessary name-calling. Shows an amazing maturity level. [/quote]

I did not mean to call you any names, but I just believe you are completely wrong. Like you said, I guess we will see Saturday.

By the way, it is unprovoked. If you are going to call me immature don’t spell a sixth grade vocabulary word wrong.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I agree that De La Hoya is going to surprise alot of people.

And though he may like the money, a fighter is still a fighter, and my idealistic mind hopes that he gets in there to win.[/quote]

I hope De La Hoya wins quite badly. And if he doesn’t, at the end of the day he has enough money to buy Floyd and everyone in his family to mow his lawn.

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[quote]John Smith wrote:
Adamsson wrote:
John Smith wrote:
kligor wrote:
texasguy wrote:
i think boxing is extremely boring when compared to mma.

Thanks for sharing, and greatly contributing to this thread with a well thought-out opinion.

He probably gets bored because the men never fuck each other in boxing. I guess stand-up isn’t his thing.

This is what bitter boxers tell me when I submit them too… :slight_smile:

“Submitting”? That’s why you guys are calling it these days? Funny, my wife calls it “love-making”, and her sister used to call it “making woopy”.

Crazy kids.
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Hey,thats funny.I guess when you get your arm broken by a Armbar or you get chocked unconcious from a wrestler or MMA fighter,you would call that fucking,am I right? Your in luck,I love “Fucking” boxers. =D

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[quote]RatHunter wrote:
This is a money fight for Oscar. Like previous posters have said before, Oscar hasn’t won against a decent fighter in four years. He got beat by all the top fighters he’s faced. Mayweather is undefeated. Oscar is obviously taking this fight for the money, much like Gatti’s “retirement” fight vs. Mayweather.[/quote]

True, Oscar hasn’t fought a decent fighter in quite a bit of time, but has Floyd fought anyone good lately? Granted, he had some good matchups with Castillo and Corrales, but has he fought any good fighter afterwards? By “good” I mean any fighter expected to give him some trouble. Let’s face it, no he didn’t.

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Both guys had/have no chance against the younger, faster, and more talented Mayweather, and this will probably be Oscar’s last fight as well. Time to cash in the check.[/quote]

I don’t know, I wouldn’t really compare Oscar to Gatti. They’re in two totally different leagues. In fact, Gatti was knocked out by both guys.

Overall, I think Oscar has a shot, although if I was to bet, I’d agree with you and say Mayweather. But props to Floyd for finally taking a big step up in competition.

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This is all hype… much like the De la Hoya and Bernard Hopkins fight. It will be one boring fight. Mayweather will hit and run Oscar in the early rounds, and when he is comfortably ahead - he will do what does best, defend and run.

Have you ever seen an exciting Mayweather fight? Don’t get me wrong, the guy is an amazing boxer, but he is no risk taker.

He rarely goes for the Knockout and definitely avoids heavy power exchanges. He has never been a big PPV draw, and this fight will be his biggest $$$ fight… taking on the in and out of retirement Oscar. Not much of a risk for Mayweather. If he really wants to be the best, he should fight serious boxers - there are much better competition out there than the Golden Boy in his golden years.

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[quote]RatHunter wrote:
This is all hype… much like the De la Hoya and Bernard Hopkins fight. It will be one boring fight. Mayweather will hit and run Oscar in the early rounds, and when he is comfortably ahead - he will do what does best, defend and run.

Have you ever seen an exciting Mayweather fight? Don’t get me wrong, the guy is an amazing boxer, but he is no risk taker.

He rarely goes for the Knockout and definitely avoids heavy power exchanges. He has never been a big PPV draw, and this fight will be his biggest $$$ fight… taking on the in and out of retirement Oscar. Not much of a risk for Mayweather. If he really wants to be the best, he should fight serious boxers - there are much better competition out there than the Golden Boy in his golden years.[/quote]

You’re probably right, this will likely be Floyd’s strategy. But I think that this fight will be closer than some people give Oscar credit for.

Floyd did not look too good in the first Castillo fight. If Oscar, being a much bigger fighter, with much more power can employ the same strategy successfully, the fans will be treated to an interesting chess match.

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Happy Cinco De Mayo everyone. Let’s hope for a great fight.

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[quote]Donut62 wrote:
brunottfn wrote:
ITS FUCKING 54.95 thats alot for ppv.i hope oscar beats his ass good.

Ahahaah, 55 bucks? Fuck that. Internet stream it is.[/quote]

Come to Austria. We can see it for free on cable television.

Anyway, I don’t see Oscar having much of a chance, wouldn’t mind being wrong, though.

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After watching this fight I have more respect for Oscar than ever. I think Mayweather is a huge pussy who is afraid to actually fight.