Go Israel Go!

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Jhuczko wrote:
Happy to report Israel is standing up for itself. In the last to days aprox 50 down a shit ton more to go don’t stop till you get every last one of them…Israel… Fighting terrorism from the beginning

This seems ignorant. Israel maintains an illegal militant occupation of the Gaza strip and west bank; hence the fighting. They are funded by the US and impose their military on a financially and militarily weaker people illegally as considered by the UN. When the original 13 colonies declared independence and used what would be considered guerrilla warfare tactics by today’s standards, they were heroes, but when Palestinians use similar tactics to defend their land today they are terrorists and horrible people.
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Agree with all of that but the last bit. Suicide bombing attacks on civilians are abhorrent. But killing kids with rubber bullets and air strikes isn’t too humanitarian either.

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
Jhuczko wrote:
Happy to report Israel is standing up for itself. In the last to days aprox 50 down a shit ton more to go don’t stop till you get every last one of them…Israel… Fighting terrorism from the beginning

This seems ignorant. Israel maintains an illegal militant occupation of the Gaza strip and west bank; hence the fighting. They are funded by the US and impose their military on a financially and militarily weaker people illegally as considered by the UN. When the original 13 colonies declared independence and used what would be considered guerrilla warfare tactics by today’s standards, they were heroes, but when Palestinians use similar tactics to defend their land today they are terrorists and horrible people.

Agree with all of that but the last bit. Suicide bombing attacks on civilians are abhorrent. But killing kids with rubber bullets and air strikes isn’t too humanitarian either.[/quote]

Agreed, but at the same time I have to recognize that if Britain were sending children to the 13 colonies, our ancestors would have attacked them along with the militia they attacked.

[quote]dk44 wrote:
I personally am not happy that children are dead. I agree that the OP is a little “too happy,” but I don’t mind Israel doing whatever it takes to protect itself. I hate the fact that women and children have to die, men too for that matter. But…you have to admit that Israel isn’t exactly fighting a “known” enemy, and as the U.S. is showing, it is an uphill battle trying to kill evil motherfuckers that hide so well with average joes. [/quote]

Ignorant. This is an ignorant and moronic post. Hide your head and pretend to be an ostrich. Most people will not notice.

[quote]dk44 wrote:
Quit bitching about teddy bears and cartoons, and actually show that they give a fuck about living peacfully.

As far as Israel, they have every right to defend themselves. [/quote]

At exactly what point is an illegal military occupation defending one’s self?

Teddy bears? Have you lost your mind son? Are you puffing the magic dragon? You know he didn’t actually live by the sea?

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
And another thing. If the Palestinians want to be taken seriously by the world, blowing up civilians isn’t helping their cause.

(spare me the leftwing propaganda web-leaflet here, please)

If they backed off and let Israel be seen as an aggressor, maybe they would have clout. Shouting “Death to Israel and death to the USA” is not good PR.

When Hamas conducts a ceasefire with Israel, how many times does Israel attack them unprovoked during this time? Any stats on this?[/quote]

You are missing a significant fact here; the Israel media filter in the US. You know nothing about it obviously otherwise you would know your post is ignorant. The US will never, ever, ever allow the truth to be told about what is going on over there.

The US major corporate interests simply will not allow the filter to be removed.

STOP BELIEVING RUPERT MURDOCH’S NEWS.

And if you know anything about what is happening…explain to me why Israel has an illegal military occupation of the Gaza Strip and West Bank. please…I need to be informed.

The ignorance of the American people is once again driving me insane. I think I may retire posting and researching this garbage again…for quite some time.

I am sure all you mis-informed douche bags will rejoice that there is one less person touting fact to deal with. You morons win…and us morally correct people fail. Congratulations.

[quote]pat wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Serious question.

Why don’t they take a non-violent approach? There is no doubt it would work better.

Because it’s boring and it’s the hard way to get to heaven. Hell, if they do not unite together to bomb Israel they get together and kill each other. As long as blood is flowing they are happy.

When they had their little cease fire with Israel, hamas got board and decided to clean out the fatah folks. Taking oput shop owners and blowing them away on the streets just 'cause they were in the way. I didn’t really see any condemnation at all coming from the anti-Zionists. The only killing they condemn is when it comes from the west or Israel. Arab on arab, muslim on muslim, muslim on west, or muslim on Jew are all a-OK. Not only OK, but celebrated.[/quote]

Because the American filter does not allow you to see Israel checking papers at cross points under an illegal militant occupation, and does not show you the videos of Israeli soldiers stepping on innocent people’s heads that are trying to get home but need to pass a check point after working for the day. You ignorant red necks miss that because you think Rupert Murdoch provides all the news and facts you need.

Is it that simple? non violent protests stop the illegal occupation that is supported by no country other than the US? I tell you what; step on my head and I get pissed off and decide non violent protests do not work and are ignored. In fact, how about Israel abide by UN sanctions and step back? Then it is a done deal, no more violent attacks. How would you feel if your mother;s home was taken from her because the Israeli army said you had no right to it after she owned it for 30 years? You are too ignorant to realize this is a fact of life for the Palestinians you chastise.

But no, Israel wants their “holy land” and they feel they deserve it and will stop at nothing to get it back…and the US backs them, over and over. Who gave Israel to the Israelis? What power said take this land and use it as your own?

And we wonder why other countries hate the US. Well…“they hate us for our freedoms,” as GW says. You know what…go hate Amsterdam because they have more freedoms. Or ask yourself…is it because you are stupid and spoon fed information you don’t question and also support a country that is on a goal of making rich white people richer?

There may be a tent town in your town soon. Gas is approaching $4.00 a gallon, Exxon is reporting almost a billion a week in profit, and they have yet to pay fines levied for the Valdez oil spill.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
pat wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Serious question.

Why don’t they take a non-violent approach? There is no doubt it would work better.

Because it’s boring and it’s the hard way to get to heaven. Hell, if they do not unite together to bomb Israel they get together and kill each other. As long as blood is flowing they are happy.

When they had their little cease fire with Israel, hamas got board and decided to clean out the fatah folks. Taking oput shop owners and blowing them away on the streets just 'cause they were in the way. I didn’t really see any condemnation at all coming from the anti-Zionists. The only killing they condemn is when it comes from the west or Israel. Arab on arab, muslim on muslim, muslim on west, or muslim on Jew are all a-OK. Not only OK, but celebrated.

Because the American filter does not allow you to see Israel checking papers at cross points under an illegal militant occupation, and does not show you the videos of Israeli soldiers stepping on innocent people’s heads that are trying to get home but need to pass a check point after working for the day. You ignorant red necks miss that because you think Rupert Murdoch provides all the news and facts you need.

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Nice rant but not true. These things are not being hidden, they are well known. We know Israel uses tough tactics and we also know why. You seem to be ignoring the why and claiming we don’t even know what is happening. That is a very strange and incorrect position.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
pat wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Serious question.

Why don’t they take a non-violent approach? There is no doubt it would work better.

Because it’s boring and it’s the hard way to get to heaven. Hell, if they do not unite together to bomb Israel they get together and kill each other. As long as blood is flowing they are happy.

When they had their little cease fire with Israel, hamas got board and decided to clean out the fatah folks. Taking oput shop owners and blowing them away on the streets just 'cause they were in the way. I didn’t really see any condemnation at all coming from the anti-Zionists. The only killing they condemn is when it comes from the west or Israel. Arab on arab, muslim on muslim, muslim on west, or muslim on Jew are all a-OK. Not only OK, but celebrated.

Because the American filter does not allow you to see Israel checking papers at cross points under an illegal militant occupation, and does not show you the videos of Israeli soldiers stepping on innocent people’s heads that are trying to get home but need to pass a check point after working for the day. You ignorant red necks miss that because you think Rupert Murdoch provides all the news and facts you need.

Nice rant but not true. These things are not being hidden, they are well known. We know Israel uses tough tactics and we also know why. You seem to be ignoring the why and claiming we don’t even know what is happening. That is a very strange and incorrect position.
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It’s called hypnotized by propaganda. Looking at a few pictures from reuters and the ap suddenly makes one all knowing.
I prefer facts and truth, in their entirety versus slivers of individual events when it comes to drawing an opinion on a given situation.

Go fuck yourself. How bout this, quit fucking bitching, suit up, grab a few fucking rocks like the rest of the middle east idiots and start throwing. I mean for fucksakes, Israel is the size of your penis, over-fucking-power them and stop crying like a bitch. I really don’t give a fuck what happens over there and you can all go to hell. Israel makes up about 1% of the middle east for crying out loud.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
And another thing. If the Palestinians want to be taken seriously by the world, blowing up civilians isn’t helping their cause.

(spare me the leftwing propaganda web-leaflet here, please)

If they backed off and let Israel be seen as an aggressor, maybe they would have clout. Shouting “Death to Israel and death to the USA” is not good PR.

When Hamas conducts a ceasefire with Israel, how many times does Israel attack them unprovoked during this time? Any stats on this?

You are missing a significant fact here; the Israel media filter in the US. You know nothing about it obviously otherwise you would know your post is ignorant. The US will never, ever, ever allow the truth to be told about what is going on over there.

The US major corporate interests simply will not allow the filter to be removed.

STOP BELIEVING RUPERT MURDOCH’S NEWS.

And if you know anything about what is happening…explain to me why Israel has an illegal military occupation of the Gaza Strip and West Bank. please…I need to be informed.

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They gave up the Gaza strip and it turned into a terrorist breeding ground.

Once again, how about a stat from a “NON MURDOCH NEWS” item which shows an attack on Palestinian territory which was not preceeded by a terrorist attack.

So, you want Israel to be driven into the sea, I suppose? Would that solve the problem and be ok with you?

Tell me this, if America is being filtered, how in the fuck did you get the “truth” in Virginia?

You can take the time to watch this, you will get the idea. You will see the way an incident is reported in the US and the way it is reported in Britain for example.

dk44, You can find facts on the internet, for now.

Here are some facts for you:

Since 9/29/200:

119 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 982 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis

1,033 Israelis and at least 4,604 Palestinians

6,845 Israelis and 32,213 Palestinians have been injured

During Fiscal Year 2007, the U.S. gave more than $6.8 million per day to Israel and $0.3 million per day to the Palestinians

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none

Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.

The Israeli unemployment rate is 9%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 40%.

Israel currently has 223 Jewish-only settlements and �??outposts�?? built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.

[quote]pat wrote:

It’s called hypnotized by propaganda. Looking at a few pictures from reuters and the ap suddenly makes one all knowing.
I prefer facts and truth, in their entirety versus slivers of individual events when it comes to drawing an opinion on a given situation. [/quote]

Unfortunately the propaganda is why you are incorrect. AP is known to report in a biased fashion regarding the conflict.

"
I. Coverage of All Deaths
We found a significant correlation between the likelihood of a death receiving coverage and the nationality of the person killed.

In 2004, there were 141 reports in AP headlines or first paragraphs of Israeli deaths. During this time, there had actually been 108 Israelis killed (the discrepancy is due to the fact that a number of Israeli deaths were reported multiple times).
percentage of deaths reported by AP

During the same period, 543 Palestinian deaths were reported in headlines or first paragraphs. During this time, 821 Palestinians had actually been killed.4

In other words, 131% of Israeli deaths and 66% of Palestinian deaths were reported in AP headlines or first paragraphs.

That is, AP reported prominently on Israeli deaths at a rate 2.0 times greater than Palestinian deaths.

In reality, 7.6 times more Palestinians were killed than Israelis in 2004.

II. Coverage of Children�??s Deaths

9 Israeli children�??s deaths were reported in the headlines or first paragraphs of AP articles on the Israel/Palestine conflict in 2004, when 8 had actually occurred. During the same period only 27 out of 179 Palestinian children�??s deaths were reported. (Children are defined by international law as those who are 17 and younger.)

Additionally, Palestinian children made up a disproportionately large number of Palestinian deaths in general. Children�??s deaths accounted for 21.8% of the Palestinians killed, while children�??s deaths accounted for only 7.4% of Israelis killed during this period.
actual number of children killed
actual number of children killed

22 times more Palestinian children were killed than Israeli children.

AP reported on 113% of Israeli children�??s deaths in headlines or first paragraphs, while reporting on only 15% of Palestinian children�??s deaths.

That is, Israeli children�??s deaths were reported at a rate 7.5 times greater than Palestinian children�??s deaths.
actual number of children killed
Percentage of children’s deaths reported, without repetitions

Comparing running totals for actual deaths and reported deaths once again reveals that while AP�??s reporting on Israeli children�??s deaths closely tracks the reality, the reporting on Palestinian children�??s deaths lags far behind the actual number, following a path similar to Israeli children�??s deaths. This is in stark contradiction to the reality, in which Palestinian children were being killed at a rate over 22 times greater than Israeli children.

In order to discover the impact of repetitions on the study, we examined AP�??s coverage of children�??s deaths without counting repetitions. We found that AP repeated two Israeli children�??s deaths once, and one Palestinian child�??s death three times. Hence, not counting repetitions, AP covered 88% of Israeli children�??s deaths �?? a rate of coverage 6.5 times greater than their coverage of Palestinian children�??s deaths (of which AP covered 13%.)

III. �??Clashes�?? �?? A Case Study of AP�??s Diction

Many qualitative observations may be made about bias in news coverage. One interesting aspect is the terminology used by a news source in reporting on this conflict. We examined AP�??s usage of the words �??clash�?? and �??clashes�??. Of all the conflict deaths AP reported in 2004, 47 deaths were stated to have taken place during a clash. Every one of those 47 was a Palestinian death, which suggests a more unilateral violence than the word is commonly understood to convey.

Additional Notes: Context

While gathering the data for this study, our analysts looked at hundreds of articles that AP published on topics relating to the Israel/Palestine issue, and noted a number of additional patterns that merit further examination. (The daily reports from the International Middle East Media Center, imemc.org, are useful in evaluating AP’s coverage.)

  1. There appeared to be differentiation in the amount and type of contextual information provided regarding the people killed and the circumstances of their deaths. While Israeli deaths were often depicted as innocent victims of Palestinian aggression, Palestinian deaths seemed more often to be portrayed as a necessary result of conflict.

  2. We noticed that several pertinent subject areas had been minimally covered by AP. For example:
    * Palestinian prisoners. Torture in Israeli prisons is listed as a concern in the first paragraph of Amnesty International�??s report on Israel covering the year 2004.5 It was first exposed by the London Times in 1977 and is continually noted by the US State Department, numerous human rights organizations and others.6 Over 9,000 Palestinians are currently incarcerated by Israel (over 4,000 have not had a trial),7 with the number of Palestinian political prisoners per capita among the highest in the world.8 Torture of Americans of Palestinian descent was detailed by Foreign Service Journal in 2002.9

      Yet, apart from four stories on a prisoner hunger strike, we could find only two stories that described Israeli prison conditions for Palestinians. Only one AP headline from the area mentioned torture �?? and this one was about Lebanese, not Palestinian, prisoners.
    * Israeli Refusers. During 2004 numerous Israelis refused to serve in the Israeli armed forces in the occupied territories.10 By year�??s end there were 1,392 such �??refuseniks�?? and 37 had gone to prison. This movement was a topic of increasing discussion in Israel and the subject of numerous news reports. Yet AP had only one story on this.
    * Nonviolence movement. Palestinian resistance efforts have included numerous nonviolent marches and other activities, many joined by international participants, Israeli citizens, and faith-based groups. This nonviolence movement has been an important topic in the Palestinian territories, with growing numbers of people taking part �?? in 2004 the Palestinian News Network reported on 79 major demonstrations that were exclusively nonviolent. Yet, we did not find any reports in which AP had described a Palestinian demonstration or other activity as nonviolent or utilizing nonviolence.
    
  3. We noticed significant stories that, perplexingly, were sent only on the Worldstream wire, disseminated internationally, but that were not sent to U.S. editors. For example, on May 11, an AP story reported: �??The Geneva-based Defense for Children International and Save the Children, based in Sweden, said that as of May 2004, 373 Palestinians under 18 were being held in Israeli detention centers and prisons. At least three of the detainees are under 14…The groups charged that the treatment of Palestinian child prisoners by Israeli authorities amounts to a pattern of violence that has gone unchecked for years…�?? This story was not sent to U.S. newspapers.

It is unclear to us why this story would be considered newsworthy for readers in other parts of the world but not for readers in the U.S., Israel�??s primary ally. A study comparing AP reports sent to U.S. papers to AP reports sent to international papers might be of interest.

Previous studies have shown newspaper coverage often to be significantly more distorted than the pattern we have found for AP,11 and we wonder if AP�??s system for alerting newspapers to the top stories of the day may play a role in this differential. We urge newspapers and AP itself to examine this system. We hypothesize that such an investigation would reveal increased distortion."

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You got all of that from ifamericansknew.org right? So if its on there its an absolute fact right? If you give me about 5 seconds i can find a website that “proves” aliens are in your asshole. Why in the fuck should I believe that site, or any site for that matter?

why can’t i believe this site? oh its corrupt right?

[quote]dk44 wrote:
Why in the fuck should I believe that site, or any site for that matter?[/quote]

You don’t. That’s where, for most rational people, fact-checking and critical thinking come into play.

Instead of slamming everything Pete wrote, try pointing out to what you believe were erroneous facts in his list. We can take it from there.

[quote]dk44 wrote:

why can’t i believe this site? oh its corrupt right?[/quote]

Probably because you are too lazy to seek out information outside major corporations.

I don’t dislike jewish people at all. I do not agree with what they are doing in Israel though.

I am too busy to argue you down. You can educate yourself or go on being ignorant.

[quote]lixy wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Why in the fuck should I believe that site, or any site for that matter?

You don’t. That’s where, for most rational people, fact-checking and critical thinking come into play.

Instead of slamming everything Pete wrote, try pointing out to what you believe were erroneous facts in his list. We can take it from there.[/quote]

Lixy, he busts out calling me ignorant about something he has read on the internet. I may not be “informed,” but I don’t see how he can act so enlightened. As for you, I have heard everything you have to say about Israel vs. Palestine and your not going to convince me your right.

Thanks Lixy!