[quote]red bull wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
There’s several other Arab countries these worthless people can move to…
Worthless? Honestly mate, you sound less and less like a Christian with every post…at least any Christian I know…
[/quote]
Oh sorry. Let me rephrase it. “Those wonderful, peaceful, Judeophiles…” Sorry I made a moral judgment.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianChildAbuse/
Endless violence.
Nah, you can make all the ‘moral judgements’ you like. It’s just the amount of venom you put into them which seems so at odds with your Christian faith…
Calling a people worthless isn’t just a slip of the tongue. It’s pretty fucking cold actually. But then again, you do have a very easy way of squaring things up in your mind. And I guess we shouldn’t worry too much about worthless people - people whose lives literally have ‘no worth’, no value.
I will say one thing though - the last devout Palestinian Christian I met here in Dubai would also have something to say about your comment. But then again, so would the Lebanese ones, the Syrian ones, and the Filipino ones…
Perhaps you can provide some more cogent examples of the “venom” I’ve been spewing on this site.
I seem to recall in our last exchange on the “Conquest of Canaan” thread, you came in and asked a question that I took as a good-faith inquiry and attempted to clean up my response. Really, what you were after is attempting to show that I’m another Christian hypocrite or something to that effect. When I went into more depth on the Canaanite conquest, you disappeared on the thread.
People such as yourself who recklessly use foul speech have no business judging anyone or calling them to account for any words written. Moreover, as should be obvious to anyone who follows my activity on this board as you claim to, I meant “Muslim Palestinians” in my statement. The Muslims have just about succeeded in running all of the Christians out of Gaza. The Arabs are running them out of Christian places in Israel like Bethlehem as well. But go ahead and continue to be an Arab apologist if you like.
[quote]red bull wrote:
I will say one thing though - the last devout Palestinian Christian I met here in Dubai would also have something to say about your comment. But then again, so would the Lebanese ones, the Syrian ones, and the Filipino ones…
[/quote]
They might comment on his cold remark, but would they also have something to say about the Syrians and Egyptians committing ethnic cleansing against Christians in Lebanon and Egypt?
Or just bitch about Israel?
[quote]lixy wrote:
dk44 wrote:
I personally am not happy that children are dead. I agree that the OP is a little “too happy,” but I don’t mind Israel doing whatever it takes to protect itself. I hate the fact that women and children have to die, men too for that matter. But…you have to admit that Israel isn’t exactly fighting a “known” enemy, and as the U.S. is showing, it is an uphill battle trying to kill evil motherfuckers that hide so well with average joes.
Thing is, you cannot win that battle without slaughtering everyone and her brother. Obviously not something Israel (or the US) can do. The current state of affairs is only exacerbating the tensions and creating yet another generation of pissed off Arabs over there.
The only alternative is dialog and addressing legitimate grievances.[/quote]
I agree. But it’s hard to have a dialogue with people who have freely and openly admitted that they despise your existence and the only thing that will make them happy is your extermination. And this is exactly what has been said. Not just by terrorist organizations, either. But by the Palestinian government and government officials. Israel is not blameless, and I do not support their all of their tactics and stances.
But the evidence shows Palestinans have killed far more innocents. They are also far more uncompromising. Israel was prepared to give up 90% of the disputed lands a few years back. The Palestinans will only be satisfied with 100%. And many will only be happy with the end of Israel’s existence. The argument that it was their land first is valid.
But go fight the fucking British who came up with this shitty ‘solution’ in the first place and GAVE Israel this land. What is Israel supposed to do now? Give it all up? That’s completely unrealistic. The concessions that they would be willing to make will never be enough for the Palestinians. That’s why this conflict will not be resolved.
“This heroic attack in Jerusalem is a normal response to the crimes of the occupier and its murder of civilians,” Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said.
Lovely people, the Palestinians. Somebody remind me why they have not been given a state. That we even have to ask the question is an indication of the answer.
[quote]Tokoya wrote:
“This heroic attack in Jerusalem is a normal response to the crimes of the occupier and its murder of civilians,” Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said.
Lovely people, the Palestinians. Somebody remind me why they have not been given a state. That we even have to ask the question is an indication of the answer.
[/quote]
This deserves it’s own thread. I was hoping somebody else would have, but I guess I will do the honors.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Phate89 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Phate89 wrote:
Reminds me of the book " THe sum of all fears" Tom Clancy.
Which is exactly what happened.
Saw the movie. Did not read the book. Can you explain more about this?
“After the Palestinians start using non-violent protesting and one of the unarmed, seated protesters is murdered by an Israeli police official, the U.S finds that they can no longer support Israel. But the U.S. also cannot leave Israel without this support since it would risk destabilizing the region. A clever plan to accelerate the peace process is put into action, and to everyone’s surprise it seems to work.”
Pretty much the world saw that Israel is the aggressor, and for th e first time the world saw that Israel wasn’t the “innocent state trying to defend itself”
Serious question.
Why don’t they take a non-violent approach? There is no doubt it would work better.
[/quote]
Because when Mohammad was on his death bed his last order was that all the Jews and Christians in the Arabian penninsula should be exterminated. Hamas is holding all the Palestinians hostage to this commandment.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
lixy wrote:
dk44 wrote:
I personally am not happy that children are dead. I agree that the OP is a little “too happy,” but I don’t mind Israel doing whatever it takes to protect itself. I hate the fact that women and children have to die, men too for that matter. But…you have to admit that Israel isn’t exactly fighting a “known” enemy, and as the U.S. is showing, it is an uphill battle trying to kill evil motherfuckers that hide so well with average joes.
Thing is, you cannot win that battle without slaughtering everyone and her brother. Obviously not something Israel (or the US) can do. The current state of affairs is only exacerbating the tensions and creating yet another generation of pissed off Arabs over there.
The only alternative is dialog and addressing legitimate grievances.
I agree. But it’s hard to have a dialogue with people who have freely and openly admitted that they despise your existence and the only thing that will make them happy is your extermination. And this is exactly what has been said. Not just by terrorist organizations, either. But by the Palestinian government and government officials. Israel is not blameless, and I do not support their all of their tactics and stances.
But the evidence shows Palestinans have killed far more innocents. They are also far more uncompromising. Israel was prepared to give up 90% of the disputed lands a few years back. The Palestinans will only be satisfied with 100%. And many will only be happy with the end of Israel’s existence. The argument that it was their land first is valid.
But go fight the fucking British who came up with this shitty ‘solution’ in the first place and GAVE Israel this land. What is Israel supposed to do now? Give it all up? That’s completely unrealistic. The concessions that they would be willing to make will never be enough for the Palestinians. That’s why this conflict will not be resolved.[/quote]
Actually God gave the Jews that land it’s in the bible.
The shitty solution the British came up with before they surrendered the land was to continue to enforce the one thousand nine hundred year old Roman edict that the Jews should be evicted from their homeland.
This is why when Hitler put a bunch of Jews on a ship and told them to go find somewhere else to live they couldn’t find anyone to take them. They couldn’t even go to their ancestral homeland thanks to the British. When the ship returned to Germany Hitler said noone else wants the Jews either so noone can complain when we come up with our own solution to the Jewish question.
They made a movie about this called Voyage of the damned.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Actually God gave the Jews that land it’s in the bible.[/quote]
I wasn’t sure what to make of that statement, but after reading the rest of your posts, I just bursted out in laughter.
One Israeli soldier killed.
I thought you would be amused by that. Seriously though, they do have a history on that land that goes all the way back to the bible. Their forefathers didn’t leave that land voluntarily. It was wrong to prevent them from going back to their homeland for so many centuries, otherwise this would have been settled long ago.
[quote]Jhuczko wrote:
Happy to report Israel is standing up for itself. In the last to days aprox 50 down a shit ton more to go don’t stop till you get every last one of them…Israel… Fighting terrorism from the beginning[/quote]
Sounds like you’re about to take to the streets and start celebrating.
A lot of good your support has done the Israeli. How are they going to win this you think? You do think don’t you?
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Actually God gave the Jews that land it’s in the bible.
…
They made a movie about this called Voyage of the damned.[/quote]
It must be true then.
My God didn’t give me anything. He told me to behave like a human being and treat other people like I wanted to be treated. That’s it. None of that “choosen” crap. Perhaps I got the short end of the stick?
But their God gave them land and told them they could kill the people that live there? How convenient.
Is that the same God that said: “you shall not kill”, “you shall not steal”, “you shall not lust for your neighbours wife, his belongings or his land”? Perhaps he changed his mind.
Some gods told their people they should cut the harts out of their ennemies, and enslave them.
There are movies about it, so it must be true.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Is that the same God that said: “you shall not kill”, “you shall not steal”, “you shall not lust for your neighbours wife, his belongings or his land”? Perhaps he changed his mind.
[/quote]
Didn’t you ever read the quotes where God told the Jews to go and kill those people? Shame on you.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Actually God gave the Jews that land it’s in the bible.
…
They made a movie about this called Voyage of the damned.
It must be true then.
My God didn’t give me anything. He told me to behave like a human being and treat other people like I wanted to be treated. That’s it. None of that “choosen” crap. Perhaps I got the short end of the stick?
But their God gave them land and told them they could kill the people that live there? How convenient.
Is that the same God that said: “you shall not kill”, “you shall not steal”, “you shall not lust for your neighbours wife, his belongings or his land”? Perhaps he changed his mind.
Some gods told their people they should cut the harts out of their ennemies, and enslave them.
There are movies about it, so it must be true.[/quote]
No…it’s true because it’s true.
“The St. Louis sailed out of Hamburg into the Atlantic Ocean in May 1939 carrying one non-Jewish and 936 (mainly German) Jewish refugees seeking asylum from Nazi persecution just before World War II.[1][2]
The ship arrived in Cuba seeking asylum. The boat was kept waiting offshore while the Cuban government under Federico Laredo Brú disagreed on how much they could charge the passengers to come ashore. A small boat armada formed to keep people from jumping off and swimming ashore, and searchlights guarded it at night. The ship was then refused asylum, prompting a near mutiny. Two people attempted suicide and dozens more threatened to do the same. However, 28 of the refugees were able to disembark at Havana.[3]
On 4 June 1939, the St. Louis was also refused permission to unload on orders of President Roosevelt as the ship waited in the Caribbean Sea between Florida and Cuba. Initially, Roosevelt showed limited willingness to take in some of those on board despite the Immigration Act of 1924, but vehement opposition came from Roosevelt’s Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, and from Southern Democrats �?? some of whom went so far as to threaten to withhold their support of Roosevelt in the 1940 Presidential election if this occurred.
The St. Louis then tried to enter Canada but was denied as well.
The ship sailed for Europe, first stopping in England, where 288 of the passengers disembarked and were thus spared from the Holocaust. The remaining 619 passengers disembarked at Antwerp. 224 were accepted into France, 214 into Belgium and 181 into Holland, safe from Hitler’s persecution until the German invasions of these countries. [4][5] The ship without the passengers eventually sailed back to Hamburg, Germany. By using the survival rates for Jews in these countries, Thomas and Morgan-Witts estimate that 180 of the St. Louis refugees in France, along with 152 of those in Belgium and 60 of those in Holland survived the Holocaust, giving a total of 709 estimated survivors and 227 killed of the original 936 Jewish refugees.[6] [7]”
Now what it striking and sad here, is not that you, Wreckless, do not know this history, but that you do not know the nobler history of your own country, Belgium, or that of its neighbors.
Its much more thrilling for you to spout Euro-tripe. Your next steps in enlightenment will be to shed the anti-semitism, so conveniently conflated with “anti-Zionism.” as we see in your post. Despite Sifu, if Jews could be generalized in their attitudes, they would not be obsessed with “chosen-ness,” it would not be about privileges and “specialness,” or one-sided accusations of “land-stealing.” Your obsession, however, is self-evident.
Yes, Wreckless, you were given the short end of the stick: it is called ignorance and bigotry, thinly disguised as opinion.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
…
[/quote]
What’s any of that got to do with Wreckless’ post?
What doesn’t it?
[quote]Jhuczko wrote:
Happy to report Israel is standing up for itself. In the last to days aprox 50 down a shit ton more to go don’t stop till you get every last one of them…Israel… Fighting terrorism from the beginning[/quote]
This is ignorant. Israel maintains an illegal militant occupation of the Gaza strip and west bank; hence the fighting. They are funded by the US and impose their military on a financially and militarily weaker people illegally as considered by the UN.
When the original 13 colonies declared independence and used what would be considered guerrilla warfare tactics by today’s standards, they were heroes, but when Palestinians use similar tactics to defend their land today they are terrorists and horrible people.
Fact: Israel has invaded Lebanon and killed 30 times more Lebanese civilian than Lebanon has killed Iralis.
Ask yourself why it is OK for the US to give nuclear weapons to Israel, but not acceptable for Hezbollah to give Lebanon weapons…not even nuclear but allow them to defend themselves.
Stop listening to Rupert Murdoch, the Sun, the Times and similar interest corporations. This is ridiculous.
Your post seems to be mis-informed by the US mass media. Do some research…the internet is a key to answers outside the corporate media…for now. You need to realize Israel has media filters in the US and you need to look outside those filters. I am willing to bet you know nothing about those filters.
What the US media reports as an attack on Israel is actually kids kicking a bomb laying on the ground on their way to school, as reported by Britain media. No joke, I saw both videos…both have somehow been unavailable since I saw them. I wonder why they are removed once they are posted?
You are brainwashed my friend, and that is based on the ignorance in your post.
Have a look at this…just a small taste of the truth
Then research Security Council resolution 242 (1967), get some real education, then post so we can debate like educated civilized people. And if you choose not to, I am all about fist a cuffs too…so have at it. The ball is in your court.
Israel needs to stop touting antisemitism every time anyone questions their actions. Mis informed people like you need to just shut up.