Glenn, given your credentials in both weightlifting and powerlifting, I thought it would be interesting to get your opinion on high frequency training for powerlifting. When comparing WL programming to traditional PL programming, It may seem like traditional PL programming is somewhat conservative in regards to what the human body is capable of adapting to. In your opinion, what is the take-home message powerlifters can learn from weightlifting programming? I know this is a broad question, but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the matter.
[quote]glenn pendlay wrote:
Robert Blackwell
I would like to write a little bit about a lifter I coach named Robert Blackwell. Rob is not, at this time, the best lifter I have ever coached, nor is he in the top 10, or, even in the top 20 or top 50. But he will be. Rob will end up being one of the best lifters I have ever coached.
He wonâ??t be one of the best because he is uniquely talented. Sure, he is athletic, but not in a way that would make a guy jump up and down or anything.
What Robert is, is tough. Or maybe just quiet. A couple of months ago I noticed he was shaking, literally shaking after a set of clean and jerks. He wasnâ??t talking, he wasnâ??t complainingâ?¦ but he had his arms wrapped around himself sort of hugging himself, and he was shaking. When I asked him what was wrong, he said his shoulders were hurting. He did not ask to quit the workout or anything like that. He didnâ??t complain. But his shoulders hurt bad enough to make him literally hug himself and tremble. In spite of this, he did not complain and was willing to continue the workout.
Rob does the workouts that I tell him to do. When his legs hurt so bad he can barely walk, he doesnâ??t tell me about it, I have to ask. If I see him literally limping, I ask him how he feels. Cause if I didnâ??t ask, he wouldnâ??t complain, he would just train as best he could.
Robert currently has best lifts of 122kg snatch and 145kg clean and jerk in the 85kg weight class. Good but not great. But based on his work ethic and toughness, I am willing to predict that he will total over 300 kilos within a year of this date, which is 11/18/2010.
Rob Blackwell will be a great weightlifter because he is a tough, tough dude. As a coach, I am LUCKY to be able to coach guys like Rob. LUCKY. It is guys like Rob that make me look like a good coach.
Glenn
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Damn… I’ve hurt myself training several times, but it sure as hell wasn’t because I was trembling in pain and kept at it. That’s one tough guy.
Is he going to American Open???
Glenn, one question I have is… I’ve been seeing a lot of lifters recently that bend their arms(some of them quite a bit) usually on cleans and sometimes on snatches. What’s your take on this? Do you think its best to keep them relaxed during the whole pull always or is it up to the lifter?
I have noticed Reza Zadeh bends his arms a lot. He gets all the force he needs from his hips but still, I guess it works for him.
[quote]HallikFrank wrote:
Glenn, given your credentials in both weightlifting and powerlifting, I thought it would be interesting to get your opinion on high frequency training for powerlifting. When comparing WL programming to traditional PL programming, It may seem like traditional PL programming is somewhat conservative in regards to what the human body is capable of adapting to. In your opinion, what is the take-home message powerlifters can learn from weightlifting programming? I know this is a broad question, but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the matter.[/quote]
I have mixed feelings… I think, I know, that its POSSIBLE to train more often than most powerlifters, I am just not sure it is necessary. I have talked to Louie about this fairly often… In the end I think he has got about the right idea. The heavy slow stuff a couple of times a week, lighter “supplemental” stuff a few more times a week.
If you are really wanting to squat heavy and bench heavy often, then, yeah if you plan it right you can do this 4-5 times a week, but its not gonna happen with deadlifts.
[quote]Neospartan wrote:
[quote]glenn pendlay wrote:
Robert Blackwell
I would like to write a little bit about a lifter I coach named Robert Blackwell. Rob is not, at this time, the best lifter I have ever coached, nor is he in the top 10, or, even in the top 20 or top 50. But he will be. Rob will end up being one of the best lifters I have ever coached.
He won�¢??t be one of the best because he is uniquely talented. Sure, he is athletic, but not in a way that would make a guy jump up and down or anything.
What Robert is, is tough. Or maybe just quiet. A couple of months ago I noticed he was shaking, literally shaking after a set of clean and jerks. He wasn�¢??t talking, he wasn�¢??t complaining�¢?�¦ but he had his arms wrapped around himself sort of hugging himself, and he was shaking. When I asked him what was wrong, he said his shoulders were hurting. He did not ask to quit the workout or anything like that. He didn�¢??t complain. But his shoulders hurt bad enough to make him literally hug himself and tremble. In spite of this, he did not complain and was willing to continue the workout.
Rob does the workouts that I tell him to do. When his legs hurt so bad he can barely walk, he doesn�¢??t tell me about it, I have to ask. If I see him literally limping, I ask him how he feels. Cause if I didn�¢??t ask, he wouldn�¢??t complain, he would just train as best he could.
Robert currently has best lifts of 122kg snatch and 145kg clean and jerk in the 85kg weight class. Good but not great. But based on his work ethic and toughness, I am willing to predict that he will total over 300 kilos within a year of this date, which is 11/18/2010.
Rob Blackwell will be a great weightlifter because he is a tough, tough dude. As a coach, I am LUCKY to be able to coach guys like Rob. LUCKY. It is guys like Rob that make me look like a good coach.
Glenn
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Damn… I’ve hurt myself training several times, but it sure as hell wasn’t because I was trembling in pain and kept at it. That’s one tough guy.
Is he going to American Open???[/quote]
He is going to American Open. Today he made a snatch PR of 125kg, old PR was 122kg.
[quote]lordstorm88 wrote:
Glenn, one question I have is… I’ve been seeing a lot of lifters recently that bend their arms(some of them quite a bit) usually on cleans and sometimes on snatches. What’s your take on this? Do you think its best to keep them relaxed during the whole pull always or is it up to the lifter?[/quote]
If you are bending them at the right time and for the right reason, it works. A bend early in the pull to position the bar in the right place to get maximal use of the hips during the second pull is ok for a lot of lifters. But actively pulling up on the bar with the arms when your hips should be comign through doesnt work.
If you like Donny Shankle, you will enjoy reading this thread…
Hi Glenn. First off I’d like to say thank you for posting in this forum and for the various videos you have around. I train and compete in olympic lifting (although I have only been in the sport for 8 months so I’m still a relative beginner.
I have heard you talk about minimal arousal lifting in some of your videos. Just to clarify on that, are you meant to try and not build up the adrenalin doing this as well? Or is it just the shouting and jumping around you are trying to stop? I thought the former but I saw donny shankle in his 20 mistakes weightlifters make talk about not saving your adrenalin and energy for the next workout.
Thanks
If, and I stress IF, I decided to enter a masters (42 y old) weightlifting meet, would either of these two lifts passed…I might have pressed out on the second one. any critique would be welcomed.
haha, btw, I know I am using straps, these are this is my first time doing the C&J in years. give me a little bit of slack.
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[quote]glenn pendlay wrote:
If you like Donny Shankle, you will enjoy reading this thread…
http://www.pendlayforum.com/showthread.php?t=2523 [/quote]
Glenn, is there supposed to be a link to an article? Donny’s post just has “xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.”
Speaking of articles, this one is interesting:
http://www.pendlay.com/Lifts-from-the-Hang-The-Self-Coached-Lifters-Best-Friend-_df_52.html
Snatches from the high hang have been productive for me and I can do these at home where I have a crappy bar and no bumpers.
[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
Hi Glenn. First off I’d like to say thank you for posting in this forum and for the various videos you have around. I train and compete in olympic lifting (although I have only been in the sport for 8 months so I’m still a relative beginner.
I have heard you talk about minimal arousal lifting in some of your videos. Just to clarify on that, are you meant to try and not build up the adrenalin doing this as well? Or is it just the shouting and jumping around you are trying to stop? I thought the former but I saw donny shankle in his 20 mistakes weightlifters make talk about not saving your adrenalin and energy for the next workout.
Thanks[/quote]
I meant save the adrenaline and arousal for lifts where yo u really need them. The more lifts you can do without undue arousal, the better.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
If, and I stress IF, I decided to enter a masters (42 y old) weightlifting meet, would either of these two lifts passed…I might have pressed out on the second one. any critique would be welcomed.
haha, btw, I know I am using straps, these are this is my first time doing the C&J in years. give me a little bit of slack.
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I think they both would have passed.
Glenn,
I watched your snatch progression video on calstrength, I am only 5’6", but to get the bar in the proper place as demonstrated, at the bend of the hips, I have to have my hands nearly all the way out to the collars of the bar, does that not seem strange for such a short guy, does that mean I have long arms relative to my torso?
btw fyi, i use one of your next gen 20kg bars.
Hi Glenn,
I’m working on learning the clean and snatch by using the videos you posted on your site. I noticed that in part 1 of the both videos you didn’t say anything about shrugging. Is the idea that the “amount” of shrug that’s appropriate will naturally come about by focusing on the general motion? I’ve heard other folks (who perhaps were just wrong) talking about the need to shrug during the movement and it made me wonder how an intentional shrug did or didn’t fit in.
Thanks!
Glenn - jumping back in the snatch or clean? I’ve seen numerous elite lifters do this, Marcin Dolega is one of them. What’s the deal?
glenn, snatch progression vids on calstrength look awesome!
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Glenn,
I watched your snatch progression video on calstrength, I am only 5’6", but to get the bar in the proper place as demonstrated, at the bend of the hips, I have to have my hands nearly all the way out to the collars of the bar, does that not seem strange for such a short guy, does that mean I have long arms relative to my torso?
btw fyi, i use one of your next gen 20kg bars. [/quote]
Any chance that you could post a pic of you with the bar at your waist and over your head.
[quote]BattlewithIron wrote:
Hi Glenn,
I’m working on learning the clean and snatch by using the videos you posted on your site. I noticed that in part 1 of the both videos you didn’t say anything about shrugging. Is the idea that the “amount” of shrug that’s appropriate will naturally come about by focusing on the general motion? I’ve heard other folks (who perhaps were just wrong) talking about the need to shrug during the movement and it made me wonder how an intentional shrug did or didn’t fit in.
Thanks!
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I purposefully do not teach the shrug. It tends to happen naturally at the right time, but if you intentionally try to shrug you usually extend the pull too long. If you watch high level lifters, there is not actually a lot of shrugging up on the bar.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Glenn - jumping back in the snatch or clean? I’ve seen numerous elite lifters do this, Marcin Dolega is one of them. What’s the deal?
Don McCauley has a way better thought out response to this than I do… I am gonna ask him to jump on here and answer yo…