Girl Gets Uppercut by Bus Driver

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

With as many white knights as we’ve seen come out of the woodwork in this thread, you have no way of knowing that. Neither did he. [/quote]

And yet, he went for it anyway. As he decided to uppercut her, do you think that the idea that he might put his life in danger crossed his mind? Nope. What if she really had a crazy ‘‘friend’’ in the bus, with a knife? Whether the option was to throw her off or to punch her, he would have been jumped on, if she truly had friends.

But there was no friend of hers on that bus. She was loud, violent and drunk. She was on her own. Nobody was cheering for her. He knew that, hence his decision to go for that blow. Look how proudly he chucks her out. A white knight would have rushed to her rescue the very first time the driver hit her. But no one gave a shit until later when stuff got more heated.

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[quote]jj-dude wrote:

[quote]pstianb wrote:
Its not right to hit someone weaker than you, no matter if they are a woman or a man. If they are armed or in some way threaten your life its different, but punching people is rarely needed in everyday life. The buss driver could easily just carry her off the bus and throw her stuff after her without punching her in the face.
My English is not perfect, dont hate…[/quote]

Who was weaker? The driver

  • had both hands on the wheel
  • had to keep them there to control a multi-ton vehicle at speed
  • was in traffic
  • had possibly several passengers
  • was trapped in the seat probably with seatbelt on.

She could beat him with no chance of getting hit back. Being physically weaker doesn’t matter if I am clever. Indeed, appealing to your better nature to be a good person while I beat you senseless is a pretty good trick. She set up the assault very well. So if you were the driver in this situation (and you might have been killed too in a traffic accident because of her), what would you do?

– jj [/quote]

Stop the bus and throw her out, and then drive off?

Stop the bus, uppercut and throw her out and then drive off?

Stop the bus and wait for the cops to deal with her?

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The uppercut allowed him to throw her off the bus without getting his eyes clawed out.

She was dazed when he threw her off the bus which heled him

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]pstianb wrote:
Its not right to hit someone weaker than you, no matter if they are a woman or a man. If they are armed or in some way threaten your life its different, but punching people is rarely needed in everyday life. The buss driver could easily just carry her off the bus and throw her stuff after her without punching her in the face.
My English is not perfect, dont hate…[/quote]

Try throwing a young woman off a bus with a bad attitude and a serious behaviour issue whilst her friends watch/intervene and you’re 50 years of age or older.[/quote]

She had no friends on that bus. [/quote]

With as many white knights as we’ve seen come out of the woodwork in this thread, you have no way of knowing that. Neither did he. [/quote]

Seemed obvious since no one stepped to her side during the whole thing…no one hyped her up or calmed her down. A friend would do one of those things…not sit there and record.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

With as many white knights as we’ve seen come out of the woodwork in this thread, you have no way of knowing that. Neither did he. [/quote]

And yet, he went for it anyway. As he decided to uppercut her, do you think that the idea that he might put his life in danger crossed his mind? Nope. What if she really had a crazy ‘‘friend’’ in the bus, with a knife? Whether the option was to throw her off or to punch her, he would have been jumped on, if she truly had friends.

But there was no friend of hers on that bus. She was loud, violent and drunk. She was on her own. Nobody was cheering for her. He knew that, hence his decision to go for that blow. Look how proudly he chucks her out. A white knight would have rushed to her rescue the very first time the driver hit her. But no one gave a shit until later when stuff got more heated.

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Again, you make the unlikely assumption that he calmly and logically weighed the options in the same manner as you have the luxury of doing, without threat, chaos or a flood of adrenaline, from the comfort of your home.

Also, if I fear danger and I’m cornered in a completely vulnerable enclosure, I want to act as aggressively as possible to psychologically diffuse any possible situation before it starts. This was my point.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]pstianb wrote:
Its not right to hit someone weaker than you, no matter if they are a woman or a man. If they are armed or in some way threaten your life its different, but punching people is rarely needed in everyday life. The buss driver could easily just carry her off the bus and throw her stuff after her without punching her in the face.
My English is not perfect, dont hate…[/quote]

Try throwing a young woman off a bus with a bad attitude and a serious behaviour issue whilst her friends watch/intervene and you’re 50 years of age or older.[/quote]

She had no friends on that bus. [/quote]

With as many white knights as we’ve seen come out of the woodwork in this thread, you have no way of knowing that. Neither did he. [/quote]

Seemed obvious since no one stepped to her side during the whole thing…no one hyped her up or calmed her down. A friend would do one of those things…not sit there and record.[/quote]

Indeed.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]pstianb wrote:
Its not right to hit someone weaker than you, no matter if they are a woman or a man. If they are armed or in some way threaten your life its different, but punching people is rarely needed in everyday life. The buss driver could easily just carry her off the bus and throw her stuff after her without punching her in the face.
My English is not perfect, dont hate…[/quote]

Try throwing a young woman off a bus with a bad attitude and a serious behaviour issue whilst her friends watch/intervene and you’re 50 years of age or older.[/quote]

She had no friends on that bus. [/quote]

With as many white knights as we’ve seen come out of the woodwork in this thread, you have no way of knowing that. Neither did he. [/quote]

Seemed obvious since no one stepped to her side during the whole thing…no one hyped her up or calmed her down. A friend would do one of those things…not sit there and record.[/quote]

Of course it seems obvious. To you.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

Again, you make the unlikely assumption that he calmly and logically weighed the options in the same manner as you have the luxury of doing, without threat, chaos or a flood of adrenaline, from the comfort of your home. [/quote]

Lol. You’re talking to someone who’s been involved in streetfights and had fought professionally. No one thinks clearly when this kind of situation happens, of course. But again, there’s such thing called self-control. And it takes a lot of experience to learn this. At the end, you have the choice to walk away, even if your ego gets bruised.

And I’m assuming nothing. I based my views on the video. You weren’t there either. And yet, you and Harrypotter assumed the girl had ‘‘friends’’ and that they would have jumped the driver had he just thrown her out of the bus without the need to punch her. Which I refuted. Punching her or throwing her without punching her would not have put his life in danger. No one was on her side. That was my point.

He stopped the bus. Stood up and walked to her. She had already backed up. She wasn’t hitting him after he stopped the bus, was she? What do you think was going through his head? Do you think he feared she had ‘‘friends’’ he needed to warn off? Right there, he could have use self-control. He chose not to do so. Yes, Adrenaline was pumping through his veins. He was pissed off, the bitch almost caused an accident, she hit him ( well she hits like a girl anyway), she’d bruised his ego. He wanted to teach her a lesson. So… Bam wham!

Just say that ‘‘uppercutting’’ her was the only way to shut her down. Don’t assume the driver was weary of her ‘‘friends’’ when the video and, the driver’s behaviour show us otherwise.

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finally I get to start one of these badass T-Nation threads.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
finally I get to start one of these badass T-Nation threads.[/quote]

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Whether she deserved it is not the point. Dark Ninja had it right when she said that the man is an employee. No employer, especially an entity run by the government, can condone such actions for the simple fact that it exposes them to litigation.

Yes she deserved to be smacked, but the bus driver was the wrong person to do it. What he should have done was announce that the bus wasn’t moving unless she was off the bus or until the cops arrive. I bet a crowd of people would have jumped up and thrown her off real quick.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I bet a crowd of people would have jumped up and thrown her off real quick.[/quote]

That would mean having to put down thier I-phones. I think you assume to much from people.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Whether she deserved it is not the point. Dark Ninja had it right when she said that the man is an employee. No employer, especially an entity run by the government, can condone such actions for the simple fact that it exposes them to litigation.

Yes she deserved to be smacked, but the bus driver was the wrong person to do it. What he should have done was announce that the bus wasn’t moving unless she was off the bus or until the cops arrive. I bet a crowd of people would have jumped up and thrown her off real quick.[/quote]

I’d be curious to know what procedure is in place for bus driver’s to handle people such as this, in other words what can they do and what can’t they. Seems like they could potentially get into problems by way of refusing to operate the bus as well just with a different group of people. Doubtless either way being drawn into an argument and fistfight are not part of that procedure.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
finally I get to start one of these badass T-Nation threads.[/quote]

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God his whole face creeps me out. The threat was neutralized by your butt, however.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
It doesn’t surprise me that pstianb is from Norway - it’s a highly feminist nation.

Completely explains his post[/quote]

I really don’t think we are any more feminist nation that anyone else. I did not even talk about just women, I said the ones that are weaker than you, both man and woman.
Nor did I say that you should never punch a woman or a weaker individual than yourself, I just said that its rarely called for. And as a man ( 50 years or not, hes allot bigger and probably stronger than her) you should be able to clear up the situation without having to uppercut her face off.

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[quote]jj-dude wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I think what get neglected is that she hit him while HE WAS DRIVING A FUCKING BUS.

With people in it and whatnot. [/quote]

That is the point everybody is missing. If she’d manage to stun him she could have seriously injured of killed everyone on the bus. So this was not a situation where she just hit him, this was indeed a lethal force encounter. She didn’t understand that cause she was mad. He did and he knew that dealing with her was going to go poorly.

He got fired for the simple fact that the incident got taken out of context and the administration then needs to manage expectations about the new context. Sucks to be him but someone has to pay so the public knows their best interests are being taken care of.

I’m amazed at how many people miss the entire point of this video… It is sexist in the extreme to assume that a woman can’t kill you or that she is the weaker sex that needs everyone to come to her aid. She started swinging and was a hazard to all and the driver is charged with their safety.

So try this as an experiment. Next time you are driving down the road, what would you do if the passenger starts beating you? Are you going to be all understanding about where they are coming from or are you going to stop immediately and get them out of your car? Even if they are not terribly effective THE VEHICLE is the danger.

I’m probably just full of shit as usual, so don’t mind me…

– jj[/quote]

Is it still a lethal force encounter after he has safely (presumably) stopped the bus? Genuine question. I absolutely think it was while the bus as in motion, but it seems to me that his response came after the “lethal” portion of the threat had passed.

I don’t think that this should primarily be about gender, but behaviour. Her physical aggression appeared (to me at least) to have deescalated by the time he responded, quite possibly because she no longer had the advantage of his being occupied driving the bus, but this is speculation. Does this affect his justification? I don’t want to armchair quarterback the guy, he did what he did and I wasn’t there. I’m just trying to have a discussion.

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]jj-dude wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I think what get neglected is that she hit him while HE WAS DRIVING A FUCKING BUS.

With people in it and whatnot. [/quote]

That is the point everybody is missing. If she’d manage to stun him she could have seriously injured of killed everyone on the bus. So this was not a situation where she just hit him, this was indeed a lethal force encounter. She didn’t understand that cause she was mad. He did and he knew that dealing with her was going to go poorly.

He got fired for the simple fact that the incident got taken out of context and the administration then needs to manage expectations about the new context. Sucks to be him but someone has to pay so the public knows their best interests are being taken care of.

I’m amazed at how many people miss the entire point of this video… It is sexist in the extreme to assume that a woman can’t kill you or that she is the weaker sex that needs everyone to come to her aid. She started swinging and was a hazard to all and the driver is charged with their safety.

So try this as an experiment. Next time you are driving down the road, what would you do if the passenger starts beating you? Are you going to be all understanding about where they are coming from or are you going to stop immediately and get them out of your car? Even if they are not terribly effective THE VEHICLE is the danger.

I’m probably just full of shit as usual, so don’t mind me…

– jj[/quote]

Is it still a lethal force encounter after he has safely (presumably) stopped the bus? Genuine question. I absolutely think it was while the bus as in motion, but it seems to me that his response came after the “lethal” portion of the threat had passed.

I don’t think that this should primarily be about gender, but behaviour. Her physical aggression appeared (to me at least) to have deescalated by the time he responded, quite possibly because she no longer had the advantage of his being occupied driving the bus, but this is speculation. Does this affect his justification? I don’t want to armchair quarterback the guy, he did what he did and I wasn’t there. I’m just trying to have a discussion.

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A discussion I can certainly appreciate. I agree that she was backing off because she was losing tactical advantage. But was that de-escalation, or tactical retreat? The driver had to decide almost instantly whether or not she was going to resume if he dropped his guard.

From what it looks like, he hit her because he needed to interrupt her assault long enough to get her off the bus – and this was not a beating, it was a stun & evict move. Attacking him shows very poor personal safety on her part, since (and this is with us sitting here all nice and sober), if the bus crashes, she gets hurt too. Obviously she wasn’t thinking that way. So if I were the driver, I have a passenger who is being a hazard to everyone and shows what is legally termed reckless endangerment. Would you really want to wait around to see what she’s going to do next? Remember there are passengers he has to watch out for too. I think this is more of what was going through his mind.

Oh and that she was pretty hot to re-enter the bus after the ejection shows some serious intent on her part. Obviously the upper cut didn’t interrupt her enough to have her reconsider what she was doing. Either he just tapped her (doesn’t look that way) or he got it right that she had a serious bug up her ass about something and wasn’t going to back down without a fight. It is very hard to judge intent from a video, but the evidence supports the driver I think.

I’m not so sexist as to think hitting a girl is intrinsically wrong. Don’t forget that the absolute vast majority of child abusers are women. Assault is not gender specific, it is about a violent nature coupled with figuring that you can get away with it.

A recent example: My youngest son got beaten up a couple of weeks ago. Some kid tried to take his bike and my son got it back. The kid took a swipe him an missed and my kid got away from him and went back with his friends. Then the kid hung around for like 5 minutes trying to get closer. Once he finally did, he punched my son out. Point is that the kid made his decision to attack, then waited for an opening. He also faked not being mad anymore, just to get closer (and this worked). Such are how violent people behave. For them, violence is their trump card and always works (or so they think), so once they have elected to engage, they’ll keep at it until they succeed.

– jj

Edit: One other thing is the interaction at the very beginning. She didn’t just walk up and hit him, there was some chat going on. Here’s another scenario: She’s a regular on his route and has been a handful several times. Now she’s decided to go after him. He might know what’s coming next. Ever consider that? Assaults don’t usually happen at random (especially when women instigate). Victim and assailant usually know each other and possibly quite well. This fact I have no information on, but it sure looks enough like it at the beginning to make me wonder.

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“A recent example: My youngest son got beaten up a couple of weeks ago. Some kid tried to take his bike and my son got it back. The kid took a swipe him an missed and my kid got away from him and went back with his friends. Then the kid hung around for like 5 minutes trying to get closer. Once he finally did, he punched my son out. Point is that the kid made his decision to attack, then waited for an opening. He also faked not being mad anymore, just to get closer (and this worked). Such are how violent people behave. For them, violence is their trump card and always works (or so they think), so once they have elected to engage, they’ll keep at it until they succeed.”

Sheeyat, was that kid from his school or a stranger?

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]pstianb wrote:
Its not right to hit someone weaker than you, no matter if they are a woman or a man. If they are armed or in some way threaten your life its different, but punching people is rarely needed in everyday life. The buss driver could easily just carry her off the bus and throw her stuff after her without punching her in the face.
My English is not perfect, dont hate…[/quote]

Try throwing a young woman off a bus with a bad attitude and a serious behaviour issue whilst her friends watch/intervene and you’re 50 years of age or older.[/quote]

She had no friends on that bus. [/quote]

Yes she does.

His name is WhiteKnight and thou shall not hit a woman!

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[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

“A recent example: My youngest son got beaten up a couple of weeks ago. Some kid tried to take his bike and my son got it back. The kid took a swipe him an missed and my kid got away from him and went back with his friends. Then the kid hung around for like 5 minutes trying to get closer. Once he finally did, he punched my son out. Point is that the kid made his decision to attack, then waited for an opening. He also faked not being mad anymore, just to get closer (and this worked). Such are how violent people behave. For them, violence is their trump card and always works (or so they think), so once they have elected to engage, they’ll keep at it until they succeed.”

Sheeyat, was that kid from his school or a stranger?[/quote]

From the neighborhood, but got booted from the local High School and is attending the “alternative” High school = school for troubled teens in the area. Bad news and he’s gotten hauled in for punching out at least a few other kids. My son is ok – mostly rattled that someone would just wait to punch him a few times. Fortunately, he is my son so as long as they hit him in the head, he should be fine… ;D

– jj