I trained with a very, very attractive female weightlifter. Four times a week for three years. I usually HAD to rape her a few times each week. I couldn’t control myself. It’s how we are.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Her teacher had nothing to do with this decision.
I would like to point out, if I have not said it yet, that the principle manages the teacher. He is her/his boss. If the principle felt the teacher would not act if such a violent act was taking place does it not reflect poorly on the perceived mind frame of the teacher, by the principle? Obviously the principle sees the teacher as a potential sex offender. This is crap.
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Right-O! You read my earlier post on this point, I hope?
I can’t think of any class that a man would be dismissed from by a principal just because of his sex.
The million dollars is to make a point and get attention. Thank goodness it is working. Now more people will discuss this and make sure this inequity doesn’t happen again.
A school should not be sponsoring any class that is not safe for all students.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I can’t think of any class that a man would be dismissed from by a principle just because of his sex.
The million dollars is to make a point and get attention. Thank goodness it is working. Now more people will discuss this and make sure this inequity doesn’t happen again.
A school should not be sponsoring any class that is not safe for all students.
[/quote]
I think you are missing the point. This wasn’t a case of a female being denied rights afforded to males. This was a case of poor judgement made by a principal concerned for a student. Next we will have these 120lb marine wannabees sue the governemnt because they weren’t chosen for that special opperations mission. Ya, I am talking about you light weight.
[quote]summa wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I can’t think of any class that a man would be dismissed from by a principal just because of his sex.
The million dollars is to make a point and get attention. Thank goodness it is working. Now more people will discuss this and make sure this inequity doesn’t happen again.
A school should not be sponsoring any class that is not safe for all students.
I think you are missing the point. This wasn’t a case of a female being denied rights afforded to males. This was a case of poor judgement made by a principal concerned for a student. Next we will have these 120lb marine wannabees sue the governemnt because they weren’t chosen for that special opperations mission. Ya, I am talking about you light weight.
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and see, I think you are missing my point. It is possible there is more than one point to be made by this.
This isn’t a marine who volunteers for a career. This is a student mandated to attend high school being denied a class by virtue of her sex.
I concede there is more than one point in that yes, the principal made a bad decision. We don’t know what the principal’s motivation was. We know he says he was erring on behalf of the safety of the female student. But again, why not worry as in your example, worry for the 120lb tiny guy being raped by the bigger guys.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
The million dollars is to make a point and get attention. Thank goodness it is working. Now more people will discuss this and make sure this inequity doesn’t happen again.
[/quote]
The million dollars may be, to a degree, a means to put this issue in the limelight, but come on. It’s not like they’re hoping they don’t get it. I’d say greed is a more realistic factor than anything else.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
But again, why not worry as in your example, worry for the 120lb tiny guy being raped by the bigger guys.[/quote]
Because that’s just silly. It’s a high school, for God’s sake. People have enough trouble scribbling out the dirty things written about them in bathroom stalls to risk giving them credibility.
[quote]conner wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
The million dollars is to make a point and get attention. Thank goodness it is working. Now more people will discuss this and make sure this inequity doesn’t happen again.
The million dollars may be, to a degree, a means to put this issue in the limelight, but come on. It’s not like they’re hoping they don’t get it. I’d say greed is a more realistic factor than anything else.[/quote]
I don’t agree with greed being more realistic. Sometimes people do start these lawsuits out of a sense of outrage and by wanting equal treatment. You too might want to try seeing things from a woman’s point of view.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
But again, why not worry as in your example, worry for the 120lb tiny guy being raped by the bigger guys.
Because that’s just silly. It’s a high school, for God’s sake. People have enough trouble scribbling out the dirty things written about them in bathroom stalls to risk giving them credibility.
[/quote]
It isn’t silly. It is a directly related to the previous comment about small marines suing the government. Gender was the only difference in my scenario.
I agree that with what Barney said that the lifters should have been offended that they were referenced as rapists in the first place.
There is more than one issue and more than one view point that should be considered from this article.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ThatGirl77 wrote:
Ok, wow. I hope she wins her case.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061118/ap_on_fe_st/weightlifting_class
I don’t. The guy made a judgement call and then changed his mind soon afterwards after giving it more thought. What is the real problem here? It is wrong because the principal was thinking of her well being? His mindset might be outdated…or he might be overprotective…but lawsuit worthy of one million dollars?
I am SO sick of people suing for every little reason.
She wasn’t hurt here. She wasn’t even degraded. Not only that, but she was allowed right back in the class days later.
WTF?
If it were my sister I would probably thank the guy for looking out for her and just remind him to provide more security back there if it is that much of a concern.[/quote]
this actually happened to me. Not in the same scenario at all but with a ton of guys on the same team.
I totally agree with you professor X
Im a fighter that is stubborn as hell but when it actually happens to you-your glad that at least Someone care enough to do something about it even if it was impulsively not thought out. You dont understand how many wolves can look like sheep until you see it for yourself and I got a definite full frontal
He took the wrong action though, he shouldve gotten a female coach to go with her at a different part of the day-the principal needed to understand that that type of matter could of arised if he didnt discriminate against it and plan for it if it did.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MetalMikeXVI wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
PGA wrote:
MetalMikeXVI wrote:
I just kind of doubt someone would rape a girl with 28 other guys there.
Really, never been to the Puerto Rican Day parade in NYC then huh?
Or a frat house.
28 guys in a high school class though?
…or would not one of them have the moral scruples to stop such an act?
I doubt she would have gotten raped. A sexual harassment case might be quite likely.
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smirk
its more likely but you cant just rule it out like that, ever.
shit happens.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
conner wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
The million dollars is to make a point and get attention. Thank goodness it is working. Now more people will discuss this and make sure this inequity doesn’t happen again.
The million dollars may be, to a degree, a means to put this issue in the limelight, but come on. It’s not like they’re hoping they don’t get it. I’d say greed is a more realistic factor than anything else.
I don’t agree with greed being more realistic. Sometimes people do start these lawsuits out of a sense of outrage and by wanting equal treatment. You too might want to try seeing things from a woman’s point of view.
OctoberGirl wrote:
But again, why not worry as in your example, worry for the 120lb tiny guy being raped by the bigger guys.
Because that’s just silly. It’s a high school, for God’s sake. People have enough trouble scribbling out the dirty things written about them in bathroom stalls to risk giving them credibility.
It isn’t silly. It is a directly related to the previous comment about small marines suing the government. Gender was the only difference in my scenario.
I agree that with what Barney said that the lifters should have been offended that they were referenced as rapists in the first place.
There is more than one issue and more than one view point that should be considered from this article.
[/quote]
Are we about to pretend as if there are no double standards that give women an advantage over men in society?
Double standards exist. We either learn to adapt them…or wipe them all out across the board. I wonder how that would go over in court cases that usually give the custody of a child to the mother. Perhaps that would affect divorce settlements or have more women paying child support to the fathers.
The truth is, a girl is more at risk of getting raped than a boy. Unless you are about to prove that the risk is the same for both genders and that the assumption of risk is completely unsubstantiated, arguing that one million dollars is what missing 3 days of gym class is worth is a little off the wall.
The principal may have handled it wrong. I completely agree that it sounds like he is degrading the younger gym teacher. I also agree that he should have discussed this with the girl’s parents first. I do not agree that this is even worth 2 bucks.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I don’t agree with greed being more realistic. Sometimes people do start these lawsuits out of a sense of outrage and by wanting equal treatment. You too might want to try seeing things from a woman’s point of view.
[/quote]
Well, she got her equal treatment. Three days later. As for her outrage, she should have petitioned the school board or city council for disciplinary actions against the principal.
But, then again, that wouldn’t potentially get her a cool million.
Believe me, I’m as sad as anyone else at the unimaginable “physical illness” that befell her due to the “stress” of her custom, 3-day Get-Out-of-Class-Free card, but come on. Grow up. Just ask the school to pay for whatever hospital bills she incurred as a result of her “illness” (or were they not bad enough to warrant a trip there?).
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
It isn’t silly. It is a directly related to the previous comment about small marines suing the government. Gender was the only difference in my scenario.[/quote]
Do you honestly feel that a teenage boy being raped/sexually molested by a group of other teenage boys in a high school gym class is in a) the same ballpark, b) the same division, c) the same league, or d) the same fucking sport as the likelihood of it happening to a girl?
No need to answer, I know you will say ‘yes’ simply to continue arguing your point. Which is why I will say that it Really. Doesn’t. Matter.
The principal wasn’t taking her out of class beacuse she was a girl. He took her out because he was worried about her safety. As misguided as it may be, his intentions were good. Hell, she even got her way and was let back in. What more does she want? An apology? A cookie?
Nope. One million dollars.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I agree that with what Barney said that the lifters should have been offended that they were referenced as rapists in the first place.[/quote]
Perhaps they ARE. But they aren’t suing. That girl could learn a thing or two from them. What’s worse- being pulled out of gym class because your principal, whom your parents and the community entrust with your wellbeing, is worried for your safety, or having the implication of “rapist” tattooed on your forehead for the rest of your high school days?
Well, that’s not the question here. The question is whether or not she can make easy money from one man’s well meaning, albeit hasty, decision
[quote]Professor X wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
conner wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
The million dollars is to make a point and get attention. Thank goodness it is working. Now more people will discuss this and make sure this inequity doesn’t happen again.
The million dollars may be, to a degree, a means to put this issue in the limelight, but come on. It’s not like they’re hoping they don’t get it. I’d say greed is a more realistic factor than anything else.
I don’t agree with greed being more realistic. Sometimes people do start these lawsuits out of a sense of outrage and by wanting equal treatment. You too might want to try seeing things from a woman’s point of view.
OctoberGirl wrote:
But again, why not worry as in your example, worry for the 120lb tiny guy being raped by the bigger guys.
Because that’s just silly. It’s a high school, for God’s sake. People have enough trouble scribbling out the dirty things written about them in bathroom stalls to risk giving them credibility.
It isn’t silly. It is a directly related to the previous comment about small marines suing the government. Gender was the only difference in my scenario.
I agree that with what Barney said that the lifters should have been offended that they were referenced as rapists in the first place.
There is more than one issue and more than one view point that should be considered from this article.
Are we about to pretend as if there are no double standards that give women an advantage over men in society?
Double standards exist. We either learn to adapt them…or wipe them all out across the board. I wonder how that would go over in court cases that usually give the custody of a child to the mother. Perhaps that would affect divorce settlements or have more women paying child support to the fathers.
The truth is, a girl is more at risk of getting raped than a boy. Unless you are about to prove that the risk is the same for both genders and that the assumption of risk is completely unsubstantiated, arguing that one million dollars is what missing 3 days of gym class is worth is a little off the wall.
The principal may have handled it wrong. I completely agree that it sounds like he is degrading the younger gym teacher. I also agree that he should have discussed this with the girl’s parents first. I do not agree that this is even worth 2 bucks.[/quote]
I don’t disagree that there are double standards and there is also an old boys club. They both exist.
That isn’t the issue. This is HIGH SCHOOL. This isn’t the corporate world.
Rail and rant all you want. There should be equal treatment in school. If there isn’t than there should be someone out there making noise to get it changed.
There should not be a class in the school wherein there is even a concern that it may not be safe for everyone. Don’t dismiss that point.
I don’t believe it is the money. I work in a law firm, I hear more people outraged over principle than trying for the pot of gold over the rainbow all the time.
I don’t equate the possibilities of a man being raped to that of being the same for a woman.
Should there be a class in school where you might worry over a girl being raped?
What will you deny the female student next because someone wants to decide what is in her best interest?
It isn’t the money but if it makes you feel better to think that it is then I will understand that is where you are coming from.
[quote]conner wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I don’t agree with greed being more realistic. Sometimes people do start these lawsuits out of a sense of outrage and by wanting equal treatment. You too might want to try seeing things from a woman’s point of view.
Well, she got her equal treatment. Three days later. As for her outrage, she should have petitioned the school board or city council for disciplinary actions against the principal.
But, then again, that wouldn’t potentially get her a cool million.
Believe me, I’m as sad as anyone else at the unimaginable “physical illness” that befell her due to the “stress” of her custom, 3-day Get-Out-of-Class-Free card, but come on. Grow up. Just ask the school to pay for whatever hospital bills she incurred as a result of her “illness” (or were they not bad enough to warrant a trip there?).[/quote]
yeah because justice denied and all that.
I read what you are posting, you won’t consider anything other than she is in it for the money.
I tried to present the other side of things but I am reading into what you are saying that you will not consider anything else.
[quote]
OctoberGirl wrote:
It isn’t silly. It is a directly related to the previous comment about small marines suing the government. Gender was the only difference in my scenario.
Do you honestly feel that a teenage boy being raped/sexually molested by a group of other teenage boys in a high school gym class is in a) the same ballpark, b) the same division, c) the same league, or d) the same fucking sport as the likelihood of it happening to a girl?
No need to answer, I know you will say ‘yes’ simply to continue arguing your point. Which is why I will say that it Really. Doesn’t. Matter.
The principal wasn’t taking her out of class beacuse she was a girl. He took her out because he was worried about her safety. As misguided as it may be, his intentions were good. Hell, she even got her way and was let back in. What more does she want? An apology? A cookie?
Nope. One million dollars.[/quote]
You don’t really know me well enough to read my mind. Don’t give up your day job to join the Psychic Friends hotline.
I don’t feel the chances of a boy being raped is the same. I used the analogy because it fit much better than the wimpy marine.
You are very dismissive of someone being denied equal treatment.
It isn’t that minor of an issue.
[quote]
OctoberGirl wrote:
I agree that with what Barney said that the lifters should have been offended that they were referenced as rapists in the first place.
Perhaps they ARE. But they aren’t suing. That girl could learn a thing or two from them. What’s worse- being pulled out of gym class because your principal, whom your parents and the community entrust with your wellbeing, is worried for your safety, or having the implication of “rapist” tattooed on your forehead for the rest of your high school days?
Well, that’s not the question here. The question is whether or not she can make easy money from one man’s well meaning, albeit hasty, decision[/quote]
Of course you would only believe it is about money, and again you don’t want to see there may be another issue.
The girl didn’t call them rapists.
I have expressed another view point as best as I can. I can see that this is just going in circles.
Although I can give merit to your argument you will not consider another issue.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I don’t disagree that there are double standards and there is also an old boys club. They both exist.
That isn’t the issue. This is HIGH SCHOOL. This isn’t the corporate world.
Rail and rant all you want. There should be equal treatment in school. If there isn’t than there should be someone out there making noise to get it changed.[/quote]
What if she had actually been raped? Would you be so offended if you later learned that the principal wanted to pull her from the class on basis of risk before-hand?
[quote]
There should not be a class in the school wherein there is even a concern that it may not be safe for everyone. Don’t dismiss that point.[/quote]
I am very interested in the address of the world you live in. There are metal detectors in many schools across the country for a reason…that the world is NOT safe and schools are thusly not safe either.
You sound like the Columbine parents who screamed, “I can’t believe this happened here!” Well, maybe you should believe it and be prepared for it to happen again along with many other possibilities.
[quote]
I don’t believe it is the money. I work in a law firm, I hear more people outraged over principle than trying for the pot of gold over the rainbow all the time.
I don’t equate the possibilities of a man being raped to that of being the same for a woman.
Should there be a class in school where you might worry over a girl being raped? [/quote]
Should there be a school where you are worried about getting shot. Shit happens. We can either pretend like it won’t ever happen “here” or prepare for it ahead of time. I personally wasn’t raised in some overly safe environment so the possibility of a girl getting raped isn’t some impossible notion to me.
That is why I am possibly more aware of my surroundings and expecting more shit to happen than someone who has never even heard a gunshot within 1mi range.
The point is, she wasn’t DENIED anything. We already agree that the principal should have handled it differently. However, to relate his actions to someone simply trying to degrade her based on sex is also wrong. That was obviously not his intention.
I graduated high school last year, and I can tell you that while the threat of rape in a situation like this might not be high, the liklihood of at least verbal harassment is about 100%. And in some places, rape is a real threat; I’ve met guys from urban schools who describe campus environments completely different from what I saw in HS.
There may very well have been an actual risk here. In this case, someone was worried and made an effort to prevent damage to a student. That is commendable.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I don’t disagree that there are double standards and there is also an old boys club. They both exist.
That isn’t the issue. This is HIGH SCHOOL. This isn’t the corporate world.
Rail and rant all you want. There should be equal treatment in school. If there isn’t than there should be someone out there making noise to get it changed.
What if she had actually been raped? Would you be so offended if you later learned that the principal wanted to pull her from the class on basis of risk before-hand?
There should not be a class in the school wherein there is even a concern that it may not be safe for everyone. Don’t dismiss that point.
I am very interested in the address of the world you live in. There are metal detectors in many schools across the country for a reason…that the world is NOT safe and schools are thusly not safe either.
You sound like the Columbine parents who screamed, “I can’t believe this happened here!” Well, maybe you should believe it and be prepared for it to happen again along with many other possibilities.
[/quote]
Because violence does happen doesn’t mean it is acceptable. Don’t take my protestations as someone who lives with the covers over my eyes. It is because I am aware of the violence and the injustice and the inequity happening in school that I applaud the girl’s efforts.
And your argument still is gender based.
[quote]
I don’t believe it is the money. I work in a law firm, I hear more people outraged over principle than trying for the pot of gold over the rainbow all the time.
I don’t equate the possibilities of a man being raped to that of being the same for a woman.
Should there be a class in school where you might worry over a girl being raped?
Should there be a school where you are worried about getting shot. Shit happens. We can either pretend like it won’t ever happen “here” or prepare for it ahead of time. I personally wasn’t raised in some overly safe environment so the possibility of a girl getting raped isn’t some impossible notion to me.
That is why I am possibly more aware of my surroundings and expecting more shit to happen than someone who has never even heard a gunshot within 1mi range.[/quote]
I was raised in a school where I got out an hour earlier than most because of attacks that happened to me while waiting at the school bus stop. So I am aware of violence in school. That was junior high, not high school.
Again, because something may happen doesn’t mean it is acceptable. The girl is right to bring attention to the situation.
Someone made a decision based on gender that denied them their equal rights.
It wasn’t an attempt to DEGRADE her. It DID DENY her equal treatment. Yes it was eventually rectified.
Treating her based on her gender was the obvious intention and action. Otherwise, if it was not based on her gender, than anyone smaller and weaker than the majority of the boys in lift class would not have been allowed to take the class for fear of violence. You cannot take the gender out of this.
This lawsuit is about bringing attention to the principle’s decision to deny her based on gender. It isn’t the only issue, but in my opinion it is the major issue.
There are decisions being made in school regarding gender that affect girls. There was a girl who was denied walking at graduation because she was pregnant but the boy who got her pregnant was allowed to walk. This isn’t the same as worry over physical violence but it demonstrates that decisions are made based on gender that affect the treatment of girls in school.
Because violence happens does not make it acceptable. If you are forewarned of a potential situation you have to make changes to amend that situation. You don’t say you can’t do that because you, based on your gender, are not allowed.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
She will not get a million dollars. It was to bring attention to the issue. It is working. Good for her.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
conner wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
The million dollars is to make a point and get attention. Thank goodness it is working. Now more people will discuss this and make sure this inequity doesn’t happen again.
The million dollars may be, to a degree, a means to put this issue in the limelight, but come on. It’s not like they’re hoping they don’t get it. I’d say greed is a more realistic factor than anything else.
I don’t agree with greed being more realistic. Sometimes people do start these lawsuits out of a sense of outrage and by wanting equal treatment. You too might want to try seeing things from a woman’s point of view.
OctoberGirl wrote:
But again, why not worry as in your example, worry for the 120lb tiny guy being raped by the bigger guys.
Because that’s just silly. It’s a high school, for God’s sake. People have enough trouble scribbling out the dirty things written about them in bathroom stalls to risk giving them credibility.
It isn’t silly. It is a directly related to the previous comment about small marines suing the government. Gender was the only difference in my scenario.
I agree that with what Barney said that the lifters should have been offended that they were referenced as rapists in the first place.
There is more than one issue and more than one view point that should be considered from this article.
Are we about to pretend as if there are no double standards that give women an advantage over men in society?
Double standards exist. We either learn to adapt them…or wipe them all out across the board. I wonder how that would go over in court cases that usually give the custody of a child to the mother. Perhaps that would affect divorce settlements or have more women paying child support to the fathers.
The truth is, a girl is more at risk of getting raped than a boy. Unless you are about to prove that the risk is the same for both genders and that the assumption of risk is completely unsubstantiated, arguing that one million dollars is what missing 3 days of gym class is worth is a little off the wall.
The principal may have handled it wrong. I completely agree that it sounds like he is degrading the younger gym teacher. I also agree that he should have discussed this with the girl’s parents first. I do not agree that this is even worth 2 bucks.[/quote]
As I posted in another thread and verified later:
1 out of 4 girls and 1 out of 6 guys are sexually molested before 18.
Double standards has its pros and cons, a con being sexism can arise in it easier as you stated about familial law, the only double standards, off the top of my head, are good are for medical and strength differences.
We do Not have the same bodies.
May sound common sense-ish but Ive found that some people on here refuse to believe this.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
It wasn’t an attempt to DEGRADE her. It DID DENY her equal treatment. Yes it was eventually rectified.
Treating her based on her gender was the obvious intention and action. Otherwise, if it was not based on her gender, than anyone smaller and weaker than the majority of the boys in lift class would not have been allowed to take the class for fear of violence. You cannot take the gender out of this.
This lawsuit is about bringing attention to the principle’s decision to deny her based on gender. It isn’t the only issue, but in my opinion it is the major issue.
There are decisions being made in school regarding gender that affect girls. There was a girl who was denied walking at graduation because she was pregnant but the boy who got her pregnant was allowed to walk. This isn’t the same as worry over physical violence but it demonstrates that decisions are made based on gender that affect the treatment of girls in school.
Because violence happens does not make it acceptable. If you are forewarned of a potential situation you have to make changes to amend that situation. You don’t say you can’t do that because you, based on your gender, are not allowed.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
She will not get a million dollars. It was to bring attention to the issue. It is working. Good for her.
[/quote]
Yeah, I see your points
He shouldve been prepared.
Because he wasnt prepared she got discriminated against.
She had every right to call it to attention, I agree.
He was doing it for her safety-which I hope she appreciates. The family did put themselves in a win-win situation from suing them though.
Which is not appreciative but you have to weigh what is more important: bringing something to light that couldve been avoidable if the principal had been prepared for it, or appreciating the principal for his impulsive wariness of the situation.
[quote]julia87 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
conner wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
The million dollars is to make a point and get attention. Thank goodness it is working. Now more people will discuss this and make sure this inequity doesn’t happen again.
The million dollars may be, to a degree, a means to put this issue in the limelight, but come on. It’s not like they’re hoping they don’t get it. I’d say greed is a more realistic factor than anything else.
I don’t agree with greed being more realistic. Sometimes people do start these lawsuits out of a sense of outrage and by wanting equal treatment. You too might want to try seeing things from a woman’s point of view.
OctoberGirl wrote:
But again, why not worry as in your example, worry for the 120lb tiny guy being raped by the bigger guys.
Because that’s just silly. It’s a high school, for God’s sake. People have enough trouble scribbling out the dirty things written about them in bathroom stalls to risk giving them credibility.
It isn’t silly. It is a directly related to the previous comment about small marines suing the government. Gender was the only difference in my scenario.
I agree that with what Barney said that the lifters should have been offended that they were referenced as rapists in the first place.
There is more than one issue and more than one view point that should be considered from this article.
Are we about to pretend as if there are no double standards that give women an advantage over men in society?
Double standards exist. We either learn to adapt them…or wipe them all out across the board. I wonder how that would go over in court cases that usually give the custody of a child to the mother. Perhaps that would affect divorce settlements or have more women paying child support to the fathers.
The truth is, a girl is more at risk of getting raped than a boy. Unless you are about to prove that the risk is the same for both genders and that the assumption of risk is completely unsubstantiated, arguing that one million dollars is what missing 3 days of gym class is worth is a little off the wall.
The principal may have handled it wrong. I completely agree that it sounds like he is degrading the younger gym teacher. I also agree that he should have discussed this with the girl’s parents first. I do not agree that this is even worth 2 bucks.
As I posted in another thread and verified later:
1 out of 4 girls and 1 out of 6 guys are sexually molested before 18.
Double standards has its pros and cons, a con being sexism can arise in it easier as you stated about familial law, the only double standards, off the top of my head, are good are for medical and strength differences.
We do Not have the same bodies.
May sound common sense-ish but Ive found that some people on here refuse to believe this.[/quote]
Yes, men and women are different. Not the issue here though.
Was this decision gender based? yes.
Is this allowable. No.
This is a slippery slope issue. I hate to take it to the extreme but unforutunaely history has shown what can happen with a slippery slope. For the greater good we had internment camps, for the greater good they have burned books, for the greater good we have used people without their knowledge for medical experiments.
The slippery slope in this case could lead to making more decisions based on gender to keep the females safe. Perhaps the female students should wear burkhas and veils so they don’t incite the passions of their male co-students, perhaps they should have their own earlier curfew because women are attacked mostly at night, perhaps they should only spend time in the presence of their male family members. It happens. Thank goodness not here.
I don’t believe any of the men on this site want to see women in veils. But this is the issue that a man made a decision based on gender and denied a girl her right to attend class sponsored by my tax dollars.
But the good was the girl spoke up and has brought attention to the situation. Look at how much discussion it has brought here.
I appreciate the men on here who are very sincere when they state that it was for the protection of the girl. I thank you as a woman for that, I do. But, the flip side is a decision should not be made by someone else regarding my being because they have decided what is best for me.
[quote]julia87 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
It wasn’t an attempt to DEGRADE her. It DID DENY her equal treatment. Yes it was eventually rectified.
Treating her based on her gender was the obvious intention and action. Otherwise, if it was not based on her gender, than anyone smaller and weaker than the majority of the boys in lift class would not have been allowed to take the class for fear of violence. You cannot take the gender out of this.
This lawsuit is about bringing attention to the principle’s decision to deny her based on gender. It isn’t the only issue, but in my opinion it is the major issue.
There are decisions being made in school regarding gender that affect girls. There was a girl who was denied walking at graduation because she was pregnant but the boy who got her pregnant was allowed to walk. This isn’t the same as worry over physical violence but it demonstrates that decisions are made based on gender that affect the treatment of girls in school.
Because violence happens does not make it acceptable. If you are forewarned of a potential situation you have to make changes to amend that situation. You don’t say you can’t do that because you, based on your gender, are not allowed.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
She will not get a million dollars. It was to bring attention to the issue. It is working. Good for her.
Yeah, I see your points
He shouldve been prepared.
Because he wasnt prepared she got discriminated against.
She had every right to call it to attention, I agree.
He was doing it for her safety-which I hope she appreciates. The family did put themselves in a win-win situation from suing them though.
Which is not appreciative but you have to weigh what is more important: bringing something to light that couldve been avoidable if the principal had been prepared for it, or appreciating the principal for his impulsive wariness of the situation.[/quote]
thanks for the good summation Julia.
It isn’t an easy situation and with so many issues.