Girl Dismissed From LIFTING Class!

So my question is this: why bother suing? Why not make this an issue for the superintendent, the school board, or the city council? Why alert the media and sue for one million dollars for a situation that was handled within THREE DAYS? The principal has most likely lost his job by now (or he will soon), and over what? Overzealous concern for a student?

The principal admitted he was wrong. He made a hasty decision, and, upon her confronting him, he changed his position. Any further disciplinary action could have been done in a more discreet manner without publicly embarassing him on a national scale.

The girl shouldn’t be the only person to sue the principal. The male students and the coach should sue the principal for sexual harassment. If they have penises, they are potential rapists?

That girl signed up for weight-lifting. She knew what type of class it would be, what the typical students are, and who the teacher would be. Knowing all that, she should have the guts to remove herself from that class if she doesn’t feel safe.

what is all this talk of “rape” ?

when did the principal call anyone a “rapist” ?

did he even use the word “rape” ?

like there aren’t about a million other things that could happen without stampeding to rape as you all have ?

jeez-s, within 2 minutes it would have started with jokes in the corner about tag-team t-bagging; quickly escalated to miming the rodeo behind her back; and by the third day someone would’ve taken the open dare to rip cheese while spotting her bench, cause her to drop the bar, marcia brady her own nose, and subsequently miss the prom. then we’re talking a possible million dollar situation like, for realz.

as for “equal treatment” this is fucking high school. that situation is one step removed from allowing her into the boys locker room. when i was in high school we didn’t have co-ed gym classes. that was only 10 years ago. have things changed that much ?

[quote]swivel wrote:
what is all this talk of “rape” ?

when did the principal call anyone a “rapist” ?

did he even use the word “rape” ?

like there aren’t about a million other things that could happen without stampeding to rape as you all have ?
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Um…did you even read the article? I know, I know, it’s work, and you’ve probably got MUCH more to contribute here, which is why I won’t point you any further than the FIRST PARAGRAPH.

[quote]swivel wrote:
that was only 10 years ago. have things changed that much ? [/quote]

Yes.

[quote]conner wrote:
So my question is this: why bother suing? Why not make this an issue for the superintendent, the school board, or the city council? Why alert the media and sue for one million dollars for a situation that was handled within THREE DAYS? The principal has most likely lost his job by now (or he will soon), and over what? Overzealous concern for a student?

The principal admitted he was wrong. He made a hasty decision, and, upon her confronting him, he changed his position. Any further disciplinary action could have been done in a more discreet manner without publicly embarassing him on a national scale.[/quote]

By suing she achieved her goal of bringing attention to the situation. Do you think this is the only instance of bad decisions by principals?

This isn’t about the principal, it is about girls still being treated differently than boys and having decisions made for them in their best interest which deny them their freedoms. Burkhas and veils, life behind walls all for the protection of women, in their best interests.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
By suing she achieved her goal of bringing attention to the situation. Do you think this is the only instance of bad decisions by principals?[/quote]

ASSUMING that that was her only goal in suing, by baring her fangs and publicly suing instead of showing at least some semblance of civility, all she accomplished is giving teachers everywhere pause when it comes to situations concerning the well being of their students.

Well, that’s not all. She ALSO embarrassed her school district and put her well meaning principal on unemployment.

She handled it well enough sans the lawsuit. Why expect other women to do any less (assuming, of course, principals everywhere share this guy’s opinion of male students)?

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
This isn’t about the principal, it is about girls still being treated differently than boys and having decisions made for them in their best interest which deny them their freedoms. Burkhas and veils, life behind walls all for the protection of women, in their best interests.
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This issue is about a principal who was acting in what he felt was the best interest of his female student. Upon her complaints, he admitted his wrongdoing and re-enrolled her in the class. Yes, he was wrong. But does that justify ending his career, embarrassing her school, and wasting your precious tax dollars battling this ridiculous case?

"Sorry, Kimmy, but there’s just no chalk here. We simply can’t afford it, what with Ambrea bilking us out of one million dollars, and all. But, don’t worry, if you ever want to enroll in a weight lifting class with a bunch of boys, we’ve sure as heck got you covered there!

Oh, wait, we sold the gym equipment to pay for new textbooks. My bad."

Give me a break.

–I could be wrong here, but I believe the use of burqas is actually part of a religious requirement that asks believers to dress in a modest fashion (both females AND males), not so much to protect them. Out of obedience to their God, not submissiveness to the opposite sex.

[quote]conner wrote:

–I could be wrong here, but I believe the use of burqas is actually part of a religious requirement that asks believers to dress in a modest fashion (both females AND males), not so much to protect them. Out of obedience to their God, not submissiveness to the opposite sex.[/quote]

It is part of their religion but it is to protect them from enflaming the passions of menfolk.

The not being allowed to drive thing, oh I am sure God mandated that.

In regards to tax dollars, maybe we shouldn’t have had a civil rights movement, or the Americans with Disabilities Act, or the Equal Rights movement because they all cost money.

Or are you not only sexist you are ageist too and believe it is okay that “minor” girls are discriminated against? Once they become adults THEN they get equal treatment?

[quote]conner wrote:
Um…did you even read the article? I know, I know, it’s work, and you’ve probably got MUCH more to contribute here, which is why I won’t point you any further than the FIRST PARAGRAPH.

swivel wrote:
that was only 10 years ago. have things changed that much ?

Yes.[/quote]

thanks jacknuts but the words in the first paragraph are the words of an anonymous reporter.

see those marks on the screen that you’ve always thought were indicators of motion ? well, when they’re used with words, we call them “quotation marks”. you should pay attention here; they can sometimes play an important role in a “trial”.

it’s work i know, i know. dammit it’s work. but trust me, it’ll be worth it. you see, this way you’ll develop a true appreciation of what you’re paying for. you know what they say: “the ignorant are the only consumer group who want the least for their money” or whatever.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
In regards to tax dollars, maybe we shouldn’t have had a civil rights movement, or the Americans with Disabilities Act, or the Equal Rights movement because they all cost money.
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I’m pretty sure that if all those movements and all that money led up to ONE girl being able to lift pretty pink dumbbells around a group of boys, then I wouldn’t be the only one to have a problem with it.

But, guess what? We aren’t talking about the Civil Rights Movement. Or the American’s with Disabilities Act. We are talking about one girl whom an overly concerned faculty member took hasty, overcautious steps to ensure her well being. THEN ADMITTED HIS WRONGDOING AND STUCK HER BACK IN THE CLASS.

That being said, if any of those movements could have been satisfactorily accomplished through a single, private meeting (like this case), wouldn’t that make a hell of a lot more sense than dragging the issue, and everyone involved, through the mud?

She already proved that her issue could be accomplished without drawing needless attention to it. And, guess what? On this particular occasion, that is exactly what this attention is. Needless. She is flogging a dead horse for what is apparently no other reason but to tear her 15 minutes and million dollars out of the heart of a community that was just genuinely looking out her her wellbeing.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Or are you not only sexist you are ageist too and believe it is okay that “minor” girls are discriminated against? Once they become adults THEN they get equal treatment?[/quote]

Do I really need to respond to these ridiculously baseless questions simply because I feel the girl is going a little overboard?

[quote]conner wrote:

Do I really need to respond to these ridiculously baseless questions simply because I feel the girl is going a little overboard?[/quote]

Exactly the point. How is bringing attention to the loss of your freedom going overboard?

It is this type of attitude that creates situations where people lose their rights and other people tell them, stop making such a big deal. This was one incident that keeps happening over and over. This is just the first step in stemming the tide.

Did she want pink dumbbells? I hadn’t read that.

[quote]swivel wrote:
thanks jacknuts but the words in the first paragraph are the words of an anonymous reporter.

see those marks on the screen that you’ve always thought were indicators of motion ? well, when they’re used with words, we call them “quotation marks”. you should pay attention here; they can sometimes play an important role in a “trial”.

it’s work i know, i know. dammit it’s work. but trust me, it’ll be worth it. you see, this way you’ll develop a true appreciation of what you’re paying for. you know what they say: “the ignorant are the only consumer group who want the least for their money” or whatever.
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jacknuts? Oh, my. Well, granted, I’m not as clever as you are with the fifth grade repartee (seeing as how I actually graduated that period some time ago, I’m a tad out of practice), but I think I can whip up a proper response:

First, you should have two ‘Shift’ keys on your keyboard. Before tossing out lessons I learned in second grade, make sure you’ve mastered the basics of first. It gives you a hell of a lot more credibility if your writing doesn’t resemble the tripe I can find scrawled in shit on cave walls.

Second, I’m not paying for anything. I’m not paying for your advice on how to interpret what I read, and I am definitely not paying (in any sense of the word) for posting my response to your knuckle-dragging attempt at coming off as astute.

McCracken, the principal, SAID IN A DEPOSITION that he was afraid the woman might get sexually assaulted.

Well, who said anything about rape? We can argue semantics. I can even point out that rape is a form of sexual assault. But that would be a waste of my time because you have yet to post anything that I would a) give a shit about, or b) give someone else’s shit about.

How about this: we brought up rape because the article mentioned rape. Regardless of what you may think (which, experience tells me you shouldn’t be doing anyhow), reporters don’t run around making shit up. There is an incredibly thorough process involved that ensures they don’t spread misinformation. If we have reason to believe the article is making shit up, it’s useless to even bother discussing it.

Here’s the plan: next time you feel like posting ANYTHING along the lines of your alternative scenario, just stick your head in a metal bucket and hit it with a hammer a few times. Then, you will see what we go through every time we stumble across the useless, mindfuck drivel you call your posts and opinions. Maybe it’ll change your perspective.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
conner wrote:
So my question is this: why bother suing? Why not make this an issue for the superintendent, the school board, or the city council? Why alert the media and sue for one million dollars for a situation that was handled within THREE DAYS? The principal has most likely lost his job by now (or he will soon), and over what? Overzealous concern for a student?

The principal admitted he was wrong. He made a hasty decision, and, upon her confronting him, he changed his position. Any further disciplinary action could have been done in a more discreet manner without publicly embarassing him on a national scale.

By suing she achieved her goal of bringing attention to the situation. Do you think this is the only instance of bad decisions by principals?

This isn’t about the principal, it is about girls still being treated differently than boys and having decisions made for them in their best interest which deny them their freedoms. Burkhas and veils, life behind walls all for the protection of women, in their best interests.

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Not about the principal eh? She probably ruined his carreer, but I suppose that’s A OK with you so some dumb bitch can prove a stupid point right? Boys and girls are treated different for a reason, they are different. Teachers arn’t always around either, I personally know an elementary school kid who tryed to rape a girl, so its not much of a stretch to think that it could happen in HS.

[quote]Jerome wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
conner wrote:
So my question is this: why bother suing? Why not make this an issue for the superintendent, the school board, or the city council? Why alert the media and sue for one million dollars for a situation that was handled within THREE DAYS? The principal has most likely lost his job by now (or he will soon), and over what? Overzealous concern for a student?

The principal admitted he was wrong. He made a hasty decision, and, upon her confronting him, he changed his position. Any further disciplinary action could have been done in a more discreet manner without publicly embarassing him on a national scale.

By suing she achieved her goal of bringing attention to the situation. Do you think this is the only instance of bad decisions by principals?

This isn’t about the principal, it is about girls still being treated differently than boys and having decisions made for them in their best interest which deny them their freedoms. Burkhas and veils, life behind walls all for the protection of women, in their best interests.

Not about the principal eh? She probably ruined his carreer, but I suppose that’s A OK with you so some dumb bitch can prove a stupid point right? Boys and girls are treated different for a reason, they are different. Teachers arn’t always around either, I personally know an elementary school kid who tryed to rape a girl, so its not much of a stretch to think that it could happen in HS. [/quote]

Hey there sparky, why did you call her a “dumb bitch.”

If the principal is making bad decisions then he ruined his own career.

You sure have a lot of abusive anger towards women. Just breathe, it will all be okay.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Exactly the point. How is bringing attention to the loss of your freedom going overboard?[/quote]

Kudo’s on making her lawsuit sound more patriotic than it actually is. She was a girl who was pulled from gym class for three days, then made her principal put her back in. Whatever freedom she “lost” (if any, at all) was “found” immediately after.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
It is this type of attitude that creates situations where people lose their rights and other people tell them, stop making such a big deal.[/quote]

My “attitude” is that yes, the principal was in the wrong. But he remedied the situation immediately after, and it was just a dick move (I can’t put it any better, sorry) for her to pursue it for money.

It was a big deal, and she, at first, handled it properly. There is no need for her to continue this matter since she got what she wanted in the first place. Had the principal refused to let her back in the class, then I’d be all for her suing. Because that is wrong. But I don’t see why she feels the need to re instigate a battle she won in the first place.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Did she want pink dumbbells? I hadn’t read that.[/quote]

No, that was a facetious comment used to illustrate how ridiculous it is comparing this girls frivolous lawsuit to the Civil Rights Movement.

[quote]conner wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Exactly the point. How is bringing attention to the loss of your freedom going overboard?

Kudo’s on making her lawsuit sound more patriotic than it actually is. She was a girl who was pulled from gym class for three days, then made her principal put her back in. Whatever freedom she “lost” (if any, at all) was “found” immediately after.

OctoberGirl wrote:
It is this type of attitude that creates situations where people lose their rights and other people tell them, stop making such a big deal.

My “attitude” is that yes, the principal was in the wrong. But he remedied the situation immediately after, and it was just a dick move (I can’t put it any better, sorry) for her to pursue it for money.

It was a big deal, and she, at first, handled it properly. There is no need for her to continue this matter since she got what she wanted in the first place. Had the principal refused to let her back in the class, then I’d be all for her suing. Because that is wrong. But I don’t see why she feels the need to re instigate a battle she won in the first place.

OctoberGirl wrote:
Did she want pink dumbbells? I hadn’t read that.

No, that was a facetious comment used to illustrate how ridiculous it is comparing this girls frivolous lawsuit to the Civil Rights Movement.[/quote]

alrighty, well we shall be the “never the twain shall meet” kinda argument.

You say it is overblown and about money and I say there is no price on the denial of freedom for any amount of time.

At least it did bring up discussion.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
conner wrote:

–I could be wrong here, but I believe the use of burqas is actually part of a religious requirement that asks believers to dress in a modest fashion (both females AND males), not so much to protect them. Out of obedience to their God, not submissiveness to the opposite sex.

It is part of their religion but it is to protect them from enflaming the passions of menfolk.

The not being allowed to drive thing, oh I am sure God mandated that.

In regards to tax dollars, maybe we shouldn’t have had a civil rights movement, or the Americans with Disabilities Act, or the Equal Rights movement because they all cost money.

Or are you not only sexist you are ageist too and believe it is okay that “minor” girls are discriminated against? Once they become adults THEN they get equal treatment?

[/quote]

While this is directed at someone else I would like to point out the fact that NO MINOR should be treated equal to an adult.

Also having women dress modestly is not a bad idea, maybe we wouldn’t have a generation of little sluts like we currently have now if girls dressed a bit more modest.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Jerome wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
conner wrote:
So my question is this: why bother suing? Why not make this an issue for the superintendent, the school board, or the city council? Why alert the media and sue for one million dollars for a situation that was handled within THREE DAYS? The principal has most likely lost his job by now (or he will soon), and over what? Overzealous concern for a student?

The principal admitted he was wrong. He made a hasty decision, and, upon her confronting him, he changed his position. Any further disciplinary action could have been done in a more discreet manner without publicly embarassing him on a national scale.

By suing she achieved her goal of bringing attention to the situation. Do you think this is the only instance of bad decisions by principals?

This isn’t about the principal, it is about girls still being treated differently than boys and having decisions made for them in their best interest which deny them their freedoms. Burkhas and veils, life behind walls all for the protection of women, in their best interests.

Not about the principal eh? She probably ruined his carreer, but I suppose that’s A OK with you so some dumb bitch can prove a stupid point right? Boys and girls are treated different for a reason, they are different. Teachers arn’t always around either, I personally know an elementary school kid who tryed to rape a girl, so its not much of a stretch to think that it could happen in HS.

Hey there sparky, why did you call her a “dumb bitch.”

If the principal is making bad decisions then he ruined his own career.

You sure have a lot of abusive anger towards women. Just breathe, it will all be okay.
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I called her a dumb bitch because she is runing someone’s career over nothing. She lost 3 whole days of working out, boo fucking hoo.

[quote]Jerome wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
conner wrote:

–I could be wrong here, but I believe the use of burqas is actually part of a religious requirement that asks believers to dress in a modest fashion (both females AND males), not so much to protect them. Out of obedience to their God, not submissiveness to the opposite sex.

It is part of their religion but it is to protect them from enflaming the passions of menfolk.

The not being allowed to drive thing, oh I am sure God mandated that.

In regards to tax dollars, maybe we shouldn’t have had a civil rights movement, or the Americans with Disabilities Act, or the Equal Rights movement because they all cost money.

Or are you not only sexist you are ageist too and believe it is okay that “minor” girls are discriminated against? Once they become adults THEN they get equal treatment?

While this is directed at someone else I would like to point out the fact that NO MINOR should be treated equal to an adult.

Also having women dress modestly is not a bad idea, maybe we wouldn’t have a generation of little sluts like we currently have now if girls dressed a bit more modest.

[/quote]

Nice to know Cotton Mather is alive and well and typing on T-Nation.

I also disagree with your opinion about denying rights to children. By law they are subject to certain restrictions but they also have the rights garaunteed them in the Constitution.

[quote]Jerome wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Jerome wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
conner wrote:
So my question is this: why bother suing? Why not make this an issue for the superintendent, the school board, or the city council? Why alert the media and sue for one million dollars for a situation that was handled within THREE DAYS? The principal has most likely lost his job by now (or he will soon), and over what? Overzealous concern for a student?

The principal admitted he was wrong. He made a hasty decision, and, upon her confronting him, he changed his position. Any further disciplinary action could have been done in a more discreet manner without publicly embarassing him on a national scale.

By suing she achieved her goal of bringing attention to the situation. Do you think this is the only instance of bad decisions by principals?

This isn’t about the principal, it is about girls still being treated differently than boys and having decisions made for them in their best interest which deny them their freedoms. Burkhas and veils, life behind walls all for the protection of women, in their best interests.

Not about the principal eh? She probably ruined his carreer, but I suppose that’s A OK with you so some dumb bitch can prove a stupid point right? Boys and girls are treated different for a reason, they are different. Teachers arn’t always around either, I personally know an elementary school kid who tryed to rape a girl, so its not much of a stretch to think that it could happen in HS.

Hey there sparky, why did you call her a “dumb bitch.”

If the principal is making bad decisions then he ruined his own career.

You sure have a lot of abusive anger towards women. Just breathe, it will all be okay.

I called her a dumb bitch because she is runing someone’s career over nothing. She lost 3 whole days of working out, boo fucking hoo. [/quote]

and the misogynistic profanity really made your statement that much more credible.

I bet you charm all the girls with your eloquence.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
At least it did bring up discussion.
[/quote]

Haha, that it did. This, however, is where I take my leave from serious posting in this thread. It’s just too much work to get nowhere with.