[quote]PGA wrote:
MetalMikeXVI wrote:
I just kind of doubt someone would rape a girl with 28 other guys there.
Really, never been to the Puerto Rican Day parade in NYC then huh?[/quote]
Or a frat house.
I can see the Principal talking to her about it…probably went something like:
" Why am I being dismissed ?"
" YOU GON’ GIT RAPED !"
[quote]PGA wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
First of all,when I’m working out I’m focused on my exercises,not having sex with some girl.
And I’m guessing you’re not a teenage boy at the height of his sexual desires either…[/quote]
I’m making a point.
No,but I’ve been a teenager before,like most of us have.
When I was in school I may of had raging hormones,but I didn’t think about raping any girl with my friends.
Come on now. Most 15 yr old kids do stupid stuff,but most 15 yr olds don’t say," lets go and rape that hot girl in our English class."
There is a HUGE difference between being a 15 yr old with raging hormones and being a rapist.
Big difference.
I’m assuming you’d know,right?
I think her teacher was out of line in making assumptions without any concrete evidence that would make him believe they are rapists.
On the other hand,if her teacher overheard a conversation between these young men about how they’d like to do this or that to the young girl,then he was within his full right,as a teacher, to do what he did.
But since he didn’t have any evidence he assumed,instead of keeping a close eye on her. He assumed that these boys would rape the young girl just because they’re 15 or so.
Well,if a asian man is selling me a product,maybe I should assume that he’s greedy and will rip me off.
No difference whatsoever.
He was stereotyping 15 yr old kids.
I don’t think you can go any lower than that.
Many of you don’t understand the challenges of being a school principal. Every decision is put under a microscope and if some student is in any way hurt (emotionally or physically) some parent or parents want the principal’s head.
Having one girl in a weightlifting physed class can cause many problems. What about spotting her on squats? If she complained about how a boy spotted her a little too close the father would be very upset and the principal would be under attack again.
Like I said before, the principal should have discussed the issue with parents before he made any decisions. Regardless, this lawsuit is stupid.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
PGA wrote:
MetalMikeXVI wrote:
I just kind of doubt someone would rape a girl with 28 other guys there.
Really, never been to the Puerto Rican Day parade in NYC then huh?
Or a frat house.[/quote]
28 guys in a high school class though?
…or would not one of them have the moral scruples to stop such an act?
[quote]ThatGirl77 wrote:
Ok, wow. I hope she wins her case.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061118/ap_on_fe_st/weightlifting_class
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If I were a judge I would dismiss it. She is suing the school because they made her miss a few days of a high-school lifting class? Even despite getting an A for the class?
If that’s worth $1,000,000 in the eyes of the American legal system then we have some serious issues.
[quote]t3h_Squirr3l wrote:
I can see the Principal talking to her about it…probably went something like:
" Why am I being dismissed ?"
" YOU GON’ GIT RAPED !"[/quote]
LOL
I totally agree with the Prof. I woulda done the same thing if I was a principle.
The principal made a mistake. He realized this and corrected it. There are any number of actions he could have taken that would have been better.
That being said, I sure hope I don’t get sued for a million dollars for every non life threatening mistake I make. It really didn’t cause any major damage to the girl. He was wrong, but who hasn’t been wrong at some point in their life? It’s easy to see his concern, and I’m sure principals have all kinds of worries that may temporarily cloud their judgement.
It isn’t always easy to see the right choice at the time you are making a decision. I know there are plently of times I’ve made mistakes and looked backed kicking myself for not seeing how many better options I had.
If this is considered a million dollar mistake, then consider the mistakes you’ve made. Maybe you’ve only done stuff half as bad, then you should just be sued for half a million dollars. Or $100,000 for a mistake a 10th as bad which in my mind would be a very small mistake.
The damage in this case was minimal and I’m sure it could be worked out without suing. The guy already admitted a mistake and he corrected it, so the lawsuit at this point would only be a means to make money. Whatever happened to forgiveness?
I’d be shocked if it got past the end of the week. You all whinge when people bring an action. Whinge when that action succeeds because then you have the problem.
I’ll also be shocked if all the people oh so offended by this bother to follow up on the result.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
I think her teacher was out of line in making assumptions without any concrete evidence that would make him believe they are rapists.
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Her teacher had nothing to do with this decision.
[quote]jacross wrote:
I’d be shocked if it got past the end of the week. You all whinge when people bring an action. Whinge when that action succeeds because then you have the problem.
I’ll also be shocked if all the people oh so offended by this bother to follow up on the result.[/quote]
First, what is “whinge”?
Second, the fact that the claim was made is very much a problem in and of itself. This has been discussed before in relation to increased insurance rates for medical physicians based on the filed claims regardless of the outcome.
It is perceived as “OK” to file law suits every time your feelings get hurt. the fact that the media very rarely equally follows up on the defeat of such claims allows it to continue happening…because the general public often only hears of the filed claim alone. If the result is never reported on, how could we follow it up? Call the girl directly in college? Do you have her phone number?
[quote]Jerome wrote:
To bad she wasn’t raped then she might actually have something to complain about. [/quote]
nice
[quote]Jillybop wrote:
Jerome wrote:
To bad she wasn’t raped then she might actually have something to complain about.
nice
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lol. just read that.
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Personally, I would like to drag the principal back and forth over a bed made of concertina wire. Not because of what he did to the student. But because of the fact that he makes it sound like men are rapists, and that a big group of men will just automatically rape a girl by herself. That doesn’t make any sense to me. [/quote]
I am with Barney on this one.
First, there are 35(+?) students i nthis class. The chances of 35 high school students being in on a rape all togetherr are slim and none. At least one student would not be on board with this and cause a problem. This is different from 1-3 students waking up and deciding it is a good day to go shoot people. When such a plot as shooting people comes around and has more than a handful of people involved, it doesn’t happen because someone talks.
Second, there is a teacher present so what kind of faith is this principle showing in his management skills? He doesn’t trust the teacher to stop any antics involving any type of sexual misconduct, let alone a full blown violent 35 member rape. He trusts his staff this little? Come on man. Manage your people, don’t ban kids from class.
Finally, this law suit appears to be an attempt to make a lot of money fast for no good reason. Was this girl really mentally damaged to the tune of a million bucks? Or even a relatiove settlement?
Rake the principle and while your at it, burn his nepotism and throw the ashes on my oatmeal. I need a little sumthin for not managing my employees.
[quote]summa wrote:
Obviously he made a mistake in todays world but I can understand what the principal was thinking. If you have a hot fit girl surrounded by dozens of boys in an isolated area, you can expect some problems. If she was even harassed he would have probably been sued. He was looking out for her and I can appreciate that. [/quote]
The problem here, as I see it, is one of projection.
The fat over weight principal wanted to bang the chic, and could see raping her as a viable option in his mind. So he figures other kids might feel the same way and act on the thought. He is a sick, non-managing fuck. Sexual harassment was not named in his decision to kick her from the class, so don’t add that issue. He specifically said “he was concerned she would be raped.”
Any real manager knows their staff and knows the staff would not allow such an atrocity. And if they have doubt in their staff, they get rid of them. Manage them out. It is that simple. This manager/principal is a tool and probably got his job because his brother works for the school disctrict. Obviously his management skills did not land the position.
[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Her teacher had nothing to do with this decision.[/quote]
I would like to point out, if I have not said it yet, that the principle manages the teacher. He is her/his boss. If the principle felt the teacher would not act if such a violent act was taking place does it not reflect poorly on the perceived mind frame of the teacher, by the principle? Obviously the principle sees the teacher as a potential sex offender. This is crap.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
First, what is “whinge”?
[/quote]
''Whinge''is to whine or complain incessantly, the Noun whinger denotes a person that whinges a lot, the worst of these is a ''whinging pom''(englishman) as they tend to whine incessantly followed by a ''whinging bastard''(which is not a good thing to be called)
[quote]MetalMikeXVI wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
PGA wrote:
MetalMikeXVI wrote:
I just kind of doubt someone would rape a girl with 28 other guys there.
Really, never been to the Puerto Rican Day parade in NYC then huh?
Or a frat house.
28 guys in a high school class though?
…or would not one of them have the moral scruples to stop such an act?[/quote]
I doubt she would have gotten raped. A sexual harassment case might be quite likely.
Wow…there are a lot of idealistic views of people. When I went to school, kids were tormented in class to the point where I thought a few would end up dead by their own hands. Kids were fucking cruel. I even saw substitute teachers leave the room in tears.
Today, as a teacher, you have to be worried that the kid you fail might shoot you in the face. As a student, you have to worry about somone snapping and gunning you down at lunch. I am sure there is some background information the principal can’t share without being further sued by other students.
The sexual practices by students today are much different than times past. I am sure the principal wasn’t concerned about every boy, but there were some that could not be trusted.
My sister in law has a student in her class whom has been arrested for selling drugs many times. He has a free pass to come and go as he wishes. The teachers are instructed to let him do what he wants, when he wants. There is someone like him in most schools.