Giraffe Killed

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

I tend to agree with this account. Yet again I am biologist so may be biased towards this view.

Also they did not kill it and butcher it in front of random visitors. The people knew what they were coming for and learned from it. If they did not want to see it they did not have to. I think it was a good idea for them to use it as a learning experience instead of just killing the animal (which they were doing anyway).

p.s. the article is the statement from Lesley Dickie, the Executive Director of the European Association of Zoos and Aquaria.[/quote]

Excellent article. Agree on all accounts.
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The article is obviously slanted, and quite vague on what their standards are when asked why this animal was not transported to another zoo, I would like to know the specific reason why it wasnt transferred to another zoo other than not agreeing on standards.

These lions were not starving in captivity, captive lions are fed at least twice a week in a diet that mimics what they would eat in their natural habitat. Generally they are given livestock.

This was not a necessity, in fact the idea that they HAD to do it in my eyes just isnt true, its almost as if they are being elitist in their views. Basically saying, nope this animal cannot be transferred because the Zoo offering him respite does not have the same standards.

I would like some specificity with regards to the poor standards of the zoo offering to take the giraffe.

I guess we will agree to disagree
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I found somewhere else that EAZA does not deal with zoos and private collectors outside of their programs because there is a possibility that the animal and future offspring could end up in unsuitable conditions such as unfit zoos or even worse, the circus. They also said that not dealing with a private collector had something to do with the fact that the giraffe was not part of a rare breed.

I agree some of it lacks specificity (which I am not particularly happy about). The lack of specificity in my eyes does not prove without a doubt that there was a way from them around the situation though.

I do understand where you are coming from though. Like you said we will have to agree to disagree.

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This is what the chief of the Zoo had to say about it. I actually think he is making a good point.

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FWIW, Giraffe meat has 18 g of protein and 36 g of fat per pound.

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I have 2 points to make…

  1. Isn’t this backwards ? Why should one be punished for enacting on a healthy libido ? They could have moved him to another zoo and impose his alpha on other females he hasn’t bred with.

  2. The Europeans will do shit like this, but won’t produce the drugs we use for lethal injection we use when we execute someone.

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[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

I tend to agree with this account. Yet again I am biologist so may be biased towards this view.

Also they did not kill it and butcher it in front of random visitors. The people knew what they were coming for and learned from it. If they did not want to see it they did not have to. I think it was a good idea for them to use it as a learning experience instead of just killing the animal (which they were doing anyway).

p.s. the article is the statement from Lesley Dickie, the Executive Director of the European Association of Zoos and Aquaria.[/quote]

Tend to agree with this. If it had been a random audience or passers-by at the zoo while they just did it in the cage I’d be much more understanding of the outrage. But if you have a group of people that know beforehand, well, that’s a conscious decision and not the zoo’s fault.

Besides I do think it’s far more valuable for young children to learn about death in real life than from Disney movies.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

These lions were not starving in captivity, captive lions are fed at least twice a week in a diet that mimics what they would eat in their natural habitat. [/quote]

Like Giraffes?

I agree it was not a necessity, but imo there was no reason not to utilize the resource either.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I am also disappointed that such a big deal was made of it being done in front of the children. Kids should she this stuff so they understand where food comes from. We are too far removed from our food source IMO.
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Ding ding ding! Winner.

Death is the way of Nature, and so usually very violent and painful death via fighting, getting eaten or some other thing. Being educated on the real nature of death and the “circle of life” and/or being shot for food is much more humane than letting Mother Nature have an animal in the wild starve for a month or suffer from a fatal wounding and broken leg for a couple weeks before succumbing anyways.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I am also disappointed that such a big deal was made of it being done in front of the children. Kids should she this stuff so they understand where food comes from. We are too far removed from our food source IMO.
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Ding ding ding! Winner.

Death is the way of Nature, and so usually very violent and painful death via fighting, getting eaten or some other thing. Being educated on the real nature of death and the “circle of life” and/or being shot for food is much more humane than letting Mother Nature have an animal in the wild starve for a month or suffer from a fatal wounding and broken leg for a couple weeks before succumbing anyways.[/quote]

This is why I love that the Smithsonian/Nat Geo and most other nature channels do not cut out the violent and gruesome crap that happens in nature. I once sat down and watched a 2 hour special on how leopards raise their young only to find out that one cub gets eaten and the other dies from getting its leg stuck in a tree. My friends thought it was the saddest shit ever and were freaking out. I simply said that the way shit goes. Is it unfortunate? Yes. Am I going to cry and be outraged about it? No. Did I learn from it? Yes.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Not a big deal. People need to stop getting up in arms over death. It’s a natural part of life.[/quote]

There wasnt nothing natural about this death, there was other options, other zoos that were willing to take the animal, it wasnt necessary. This was callous, cruel, and unnecessary. [/quote]

I totally agree. They should have found some zoo to take him. At the NY Bronx Zoo, the old giraffe house was one of my favorite spots to see when I was there. Its gone now, but they still have lots of giraffes. Very cool animals, a definite shame to out and out kill one.

Rob

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I have 2 points to make…

  1. Isn’t this backwards ? Why should one be punished for enacting on a healthy libido ? They could have moved him to another zoo and impose his alpha on other females he hasn’t bred with.

  2. The Europeans will do shit like this, but won’t produce the drugs we use for lethal injection we use when we execute someone. [/quote]

So you’re saying we should trade convicts for giraffes and let them feed the convicts to lions? I like your style.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I am also disappointed that such a big deal was made of it being done in front of the children. Kids should she this stuff so they understand where food comes from. We are too far removed from our food source IMO.
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Ding ding ding! Winner.

Death is the way of Nature, and so usually very violent and painful death via fighting, getting eaten or some other thing. Being educated on the real nature of death and the “circle of life” and/or being shot for food is much more humane than letting Mother Nature have an animal in the wild starve for a month or suffer from a fatal wounding and broken leg for a couple weeks before succumbing anyways.[/quote]

Well I was going to let the first one go but now it seems we now have two completely uneducated people weighing in.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I am also disappointed that such a big deal was made of it being done in front of the children. Kids should she this stuff so they understand where food comes from. We are too far removed from our food source IMO.
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Ding ding ding! Winner.

Death is the way of Nature, and so usually very violent and painful death via fighting, getting eaten or some other thing. Being educated on the real nature of death and the “circle of life” and/or being shot for food is much more humane than letting Mother Nature have an animal in the wild starve for a month or suffer from a fatal wounding and broken leg for a couple weeks before succumbing anyways.[/quote]

Well I was going to let the first one go but now it seems we now have two completely uneducated people weighing in.
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Do you only use that bow for target practice?

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I am also disappointed that such a big deal was made of it being done in front of the children. Kids should she this stuff so they understand where food comes from. We are too far removed from our food source IMO.
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Ding ding ding! Winner.

Death is the way of Nature, and so usually very violent and painful death via fighting, getting eaten or some other thing. Being educated on the real nature of death and the “circle of life” and/or being shot for food is much more humane than letting Mother Nature have an animal in the wild starve for a month or suffer from a fatal wounding and broken leg for a couple weeks before succumbing anyways.[/quote]

Well I was going to let the first one go but now it seems we now have two completely uneducated people weighing in.
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Were you planning on actually attaching some content to that insult?

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I am also disappointed that such a big deal was made of it being done in front of the children. Kids should she this stuff so they understand where food comes from. We are too far removed from our food source IMO.
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Ding ding ding! Winner.

Death is the way of Nature, and so usually very violent and painful death via fighting, getting eaten or some other thing. Being educated on the real nature of death and the “circle of life” and/or being shot for food is much more humane than letting Mother Nature have an animal in the wild starve for a month or suffer from a fatal wounding and broken leg for a couple weeks before succumbing anyways.[/quote]

Well I was going to let the first one go but now it seems we now have two completely uneducated people weighing in.
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Please elaborate oh educated one.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I am also disappointed that such a big deal was made of it being done in front of the children. Kids should she this stuff so they understand where food comes from. We are too far removed from our food source IMO.
[/quote]

Ding ding ding! Winner.

Death is the way of Nature, and so usually very violent and painful death via fighting, getting eaten or some other thing. Being educated on the real nature of death and the “circle of life” and/or being shot for food is much more humane than letting Mother Nature have an animal in the wild starve for a month or suffer from a fatal wounding and broken leg for a couple weeks before succumbing anyways.[/quote]

Well I was going to let the first one go but now it seems we now have two completely uneducated people weighing in.
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Were you planning on actually attaching some content to that insult?[/quote]

It was not an insult. Do you feel educated enough to speak on the topic? If so; continue. If not and you need me to attach some content I will. What would you like to have a better understanding of?

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I am also disappointed that such a big deal was made of it being done in front of the children. Kids should she this stuff so they understand where food comes from. We are too far removed from our food source IMO.
[/quote]

Ding ding ding! Winner.

Death is the way of Nature, and so usually very violent and painful death via fighting, getting eaten or some other thing. Being educated on the real nature of death and the “circle of life” and/or being shot for food is much more humane than letting Mother Nature have an animal in the wild starve for a month or suffer from a fatal wounding and broken leg for a couple weeks before succumbing anyways.[/quote]

Well I was going to let the first one go but now it seems we now have two completely uneducated people weighing in.
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Do you only use that bow for target practice?
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NOOOO! I use it kill things. But I assume you knew that with a name like DoubleLung.

Don’t you think if a man who has no adversity to plunging an arrow threw the lungs of Bambi’s father would take issue with this killing, it would give you pause?

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I am also disappointed that such a big deal was made of it being done in front of the children. Kids should she this stuff so they understand where food comes from. We are too far removed from our food source IMO.
[/quote]

Ding ding ding! Winner.

Death is the way of Nature, and so usually very violent and painful death via fighting, getting eaten or some other thing. Being educated on the real nature of death and the “circle of life” and/or being shot for food is much more humane than letting Mother Nature have an animal in the wild starve for a month or suffer from a fatal wounding and broken leg for a couple weeks before succumbing anyways.[/quote]

Well I was going to let the first one go but now it seems we now have two completely uneducated people weighing in.
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Were you planning on actually attaching some content to that insult?[/quote]

It was not an insult. Do you feel educated enough to speak on the topic? If so; continue. If not and you need me to attach some content I will. What would you like to have a better understanding of?[/quote]

I’m willing to bet that I’ve at least researched/read more about this specific occasion than you, and given your current stance on the subject I would also bet you are not educated in zoology or biology because 100% of the professionals I’ve seen weigh in have agreed with the decision made by the Copenhagen Zoo.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I am also disappointed that such a big deal was made of it being done in front of the children. Kids should she this stuff so they understand where food comes from. We are too far removed from our food source IMO.
[/quote]

Ding ding ding! Winner.

Death is the way of Nature, and so usually very violent and painful death via fighting, getting eaten or some other thing. Being educated on the real nature of death and the “circle of life” and/or being shot for food is much more humane than letting Mother Nature have an animal in the wild starve for a month or suffer from a fatal wounding and broken leg for a couple weeks before succumbing anyways.[/quote]

Well I was going to let the first one go but now it seems we now have two completely uneducated people weighing in.
[/quote]

Do you only use that bow for target practice?
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NOOOO! I use it kill things. But I assume you knew that with a name like DoubleLung.

Don’t you think if a man who has no adversity to plunging an arrow threw the lungs of Bambi’s father would take issue with this killing, it would give you pause?
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Only because your stance seems illogical to me. You don’t object to killing an animal to feed yourself but object to killing an animal to feed other animals. If giraffes were an endangered species I could see being upset at killing it but they are not so the zoo chose to provide some of its animals a source of food normally obtained in the wild. I see no problem.

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They killed an animal, educated others with the dissection, and used the meat to feed another animal. That seems like they honored the animal sacrifice.

Perhaps they could have force fed the giraffe corn and sugar laden feed in a pen so small it can’t even move, injected it with antibiotics so it doesn’t die from infections due to bad diet and living quarters, then death marched it into a factory for slaughter. There are far worse indignities animals can suffer than this but we gladly put up with them because cows, pigs, and chickens aren’t as neat as giraffes and are tasty to humans.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

Don’t you think if a man who has no adversity to plunging an arrow threw the lungs of Bambi’s father would take issue with this killing, it would give you pause?
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Yet you have given no insight into why you oppose it. That leaves us only with speculation and I prefer you give a reason. So no, it doesn’t give me reason to pause.