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[quote]Professor X wrote:

You get credit for mentioning The Highlander. What gets to me are people who claim nearly every movie sucks. These are the people who can’t sit through ANY movie without walking out claiming it sucked so bad. Lord of The Rings simply isn’t good enough and complaints abide at Crash or any other movie actually worth watching. We’ll just have to disagree on Cage. My guess is, the people who think he sucks have probably MOSTLY seen him in the movies I never would have seen in the first place. Peggy Sue got Married wasn’t exactly on my list of “must sees”.[/quote]

Damn, I was with you until you had to go and mention Crash. I personaly felt that though there were good preformances in it, it felt like I was in a racial sensitivity lecture ('We’re all jus t people…blah blah). But I did like Con Air, I actually thought Cage was good in it. He looked the part and played it well. Sure, it was overdone but look at the director/producer…thats just thier MO. My one complaint about Cage is that he doesn’t pull out his real acting skill (check out Adaptation, Weatherman, Leaving Las Vegas, etc) on the action flicks hes in. He seems to be a serious fan of the comic so I’m hoping he pulls out all the stops in this one. By the way, Highlander may be awesome and Kurgen was cool, but better than the more dramatic villans? Try Pacino in Scarface (yes he was the bad guy), Caan in Godfather (sort of a bad guy), DeNiro in Taxi Driver, or Walken in anything. These guys know how to act and convey true amorality.

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[quote]holifila wrote:
Professor X wrote:

You get credit for mentioning The Highlander. What gets to me are people who claim nearly every movie sucks. These are the people who can’t sit through ANY movie without walking out claiming it sucked so bad. Lord of The Rings simply isn’t good enough and complaints abide at Crash or any other movie actually worth watching. We’ll just have to disagree on Cage. My guess is, the people who think he sucks have probably MOSTLY seen him in the movies I never would have seen in the first place. Peggy Sue got Married wasn’t exactly on my list of “must sees”.

Damn, I was with you until you had to go and mention Crash. I personaly felt that though there were good preformances in it, it felt like I was in a racial sensitivity lecture ('We’re all jus t people…blah blah). But I did like Con Air, I actually thought Cage was good in it. He looked the part and played it well. Sure, it was overdone but look at the director/producer…thats just thier MO. My one complaint about Cage is that he doesn’t pull out his real acting skill (check out Adaptation, Weatherman, Leaving Las Vegas, etc) on the action flicks hes in. He seems to be a serious fan of the comic so I’m hoping he pulls out all the stops in this one. By the way, Highlander may be awesome and Kurgen was cool, but better than the more dramatic villans? Try Pacino in Scarface (yes he was the bad guy), Caan in Godfather (sort of a bad guy), DeNiro in Taxi Driver, or Walken in anything. These guys know how to act and convey true amorality.[/quote]

You forgot Carlito’s Way. That may be one of my favorite movies. Either way, you have good taste, and I feel you on Crash. It could have been better, but honestly, who has done that premise that well before?

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“what is a good movie?”

i used to think i knew, but with all the acclaim for LOTR and SW episode 3,KING KONG and pirates of the carribean, i feel like i no longer know.

those movies were incredibly painfully boring to me.(i apologize for this grammar, but that is how i feel)

i still feel that some movies are so bad, that if you like them, i know i will hate your guts

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[quote]elliot007 wrote:
“what is a good movie?”

i used to think i knew, but with all the acclaim for LOTR and SW episode 3,KING KONG and pirates of the carribean, i feel like i no longer know.

those movies were incredibly painfully boring to me.(i apologize for this grammar, but that is how i feel)

i still feel that some movies are so bad, that if you like them, i know i will hate your guts

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King Kong sucked to me. I won’t even rent that again. I liked Lord of The rings even though it may not be a “favorite”. That movie set standards, especially as far as CGI.

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Goast rider was my favorite growing up…still is.

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[quote]holifila wrote:
By the way, Highlander may be awesome and Kurgen was cool, but better than the more dramatic villans? Try Pacino in Scarface (yes he was the bad guy), Caan in Godfather (sort of a bad guy), DeNiro in Taxi Driver, or Walken in anything. These guys know how to act and convey true amorality.[/quote]

Pacino the bad guy in Scarface? Wasn’t he gunned down at the end because he had a crisis of conscience and refused to blow up that guy’s wife and kid?

Caan a villain in The Godfather? I guess I missed that entirely.

DeNiro a villain in Taxi Driver? Sure, if by “villain” you mean “hero”. After getting fed up with the complacency of society and all the shit he sees going on around him, he saves Jodie Foster’s character from pimps and drug dealers.

Now, Walken was a pretty awesome villain in The Prophecy movies, no doubt. However, Walken’s charcter was more of an intellectual villain, thinking things through and ultimately using his super-duper archangel powers to pull them off. This is why I still give the edge to the Kurgan, as he was really just a guy who had the potential to live forever (unless he got the prize) if his head didn’t get chopped off, no real powers to speak of. Imagine a sociopath with several hundred years worth of axe to grind and finally getting the chance to cut loose on the focus of his hatred.

Also, I thought the dialogue written for his character was perfectly gritty without being over-the-top. Top that off with Clancy Brown’s large frame, scary face, and already sinister, gravelly voice,and I feel this is the perfect tri-fecta of movie villainy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

You get credit for mentioning The Highlander. What gets to me are people who claim nearly every movie sucks. These are the people who can’t sit through ANY movie without walking out claiming it sucked so bad. [/quote]

I’ll admit, most of what Hollywood churns out I am unimpressed with just based on the trailer, so I stay away. I’ve never walked out on a shitty movie, I just sit there and say out loud all of the predictable lines several minutes before the actors say them. Predicting events 15-30 minutes out is also a favorite.

I guess I might have seen some of those weenie movies. If I did, it was so long ago that I can’t remember a thing about them. I just don’t care for Cage as an actor because 1) I think if someone saw him on the street and he wasn’t famous, they’d think he was a wino with Down Syndrome, and 2) he’s never been been so convincing in any role I’ve seen him in that a first year acting student couldn’t have pulled it off. That’s just my take.

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[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
holifila wrote:
By the way, Highlander may be awesome and Kurgen was cool, but better than the more dramatic villans? Try Pacino in Scarface (yes he was the bad guy), Caan in Godfather (sort of a bad guy), DeNiro in Taxi Driver, or Walken in anything. These guys know how to act and convey true amorality.

Pacino the bad guy in Scarface? Wasn’t he gunned down at the end because he had a crisis of conscience and refused to blow up that guy’s wife and kid?

Caan a villain in The Godfather? I guess I missed that entirely.

DeNiro a villain in Taxi Driver? Sure, if by “villain” you mean “hero”. After getting fed up with the complacency of society and all the shit he sees going on around him, he saves Jodie Foster’s character from pimps and drug dealers.

Now, Walken was a pretty awesome villain in The Prophecy movies, no doubt. However, Walken’s charcter was more of an intellectual villain, thinking things through and ultimately using his super-duper archangel powers to pull them off. This is why I still give the edge to the Kurgan, as he was really just a guy who had the potential to live forever (unless he got the prize) if his head didn’t get chopped off, no real powers to speak of. Imagine a sociopath with several hundred years worth of axe to grind and finally getting the chance to cut loose on the focus of his hatred.

Also, I thought the dialogue written for his character was perfectly gritty without being over-the-top. Top that off with Clancy Brown’s large frame, scary face, and already sinister, gravelly voice,and I feel this is the perfect tri-fecta of movie villainy.
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You have a point with Caan, I just saw him as a the reckless threat to Pacino’s main thrust in the movie. He was the one who always wanted to up the violence.

With the others, they may have been sympathetic but there was noting redeeming about their actions. By the way, I could start a whole thread about the hero worship that I keep seeing for Scarface.

If you don’t see what I mean, thats cool. I love movies and I respect how people read different things from the same movie.

I know that I have gone way off topic but I think the best villian in any movie is Robert Mitchum in Night of the Hunter. The man radiates menace.

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[quote]holifila wrote:

You have a point with Caan, I just saw him as a the reckless threat to Pacino’s main thrust in the movie. He was the one who always wanted to up the violence.

With the others, they may have been sympathetic but there was noting redeeming about their actions.[/quote]

Hmm… Nothing redeeming about saving a young girl from pimps, or refusing to waste a guy’s wife and children (and killing the guy that wanted him to instead)? Gotta say you lost me there.

Yeah, what the hell is up with that? The T-shirts, the jackets at the flea market… I even saw a few peddlers hawking these ri-goddamn-diculous, framed, still photographs from the movie in these deep-set frames with various (phony) movie-related items; a cigar, a .45, and in one large one (I shit you not) a full-sized plastic M-16! I bet that would look great above the sofa.

OK, the movie was pretty extreme for it’s time, and the writing broke some new ground in showing that even drug lords started from somewhere, maybe had good intentions at the start, and even retain a conscience through it all. Past that, I don’t think the movie is deserving of the, as you put it, “hero worship”.

[quote]If you don’t see what I mean, thats cool. I love movies and I respect how people read different things from the same movie.

I know that I have gone way off topic but I think the best villian in any movie is Robert Mitchum in Night of the Hunter. The man radiates menace.[/quote]

Mitchum! I forgot about him! That was one scary-ass dude. If memory serves, didn’t he serve prison time before his acting career? That would explain a lot of his quiet, sinister presence. As much as I love DeNiro as an actor, his Max Kady had nothing on Mitchum’s.

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i like the “old” ghost rider.
cage is a decent actor with a couple
of real good roles.

and is it really necessary to argue what’s a good and a bad movie? how anal…

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My opinion of a good movie.

Shawshank Redemption
BraveHeart
King of NewYork
BoonDock Saints.
Scarface
The GodFather
A Time to Kill
Gladiator (ridicule if you must)

I like Cage as an actor,just my personal opinion though.