Getting Tossed Out of Class

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I commend the OP on calling out his teacher, but he would have done better to present himself a bit more eloquently. I’m assuming his grasp on the language isn’t exactly firm, which is a good way to come off as an idiot, even when you have something important to say. Really, ‘why hang’? Please don’t say you don’t type as you speak, because never have I found that to be true.

In my experience, when correcting a teacher, if one is, in fact, right, and presents their knowledge correctly, they can get their point across while avoiding any sort of bad feelings every time. A few debates will easily demonstrate to the class exactly how knowledgeable any given instructor is. Students deserve to know whether or not their teacher knows what he is talking about, and most are too stupid/afraid to actually find out.

I’m all for questioning authority tactfully, but I’m certainly not going to advocate ‘picking one’s battles’ so that one may ‘play the game’ in order to secure emplyment. Fuck that. That’s coward talk. Playing the system is still being ruled by the system. Take a chance and stand up for yourself.

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Serious question: Is English your first language?

If not, I don’t understand why kids even a little younger than me have such shitty spelling. Haven’t they ever read a book? They contain many of the same words you’ll be using every day.

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hang = hand?

I think someone switched the D and G keys on his PC’s keyboard.

lol

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
noooooo pick your battles.

your employment will depend on it.

School is not your paycheck.

[/quote]

Absolutely agree with you. You can TACTFULLY explain why someone’s wrong at times. If you can’t bring yourself to do it, let it slide. This gym teacher saying this stuff has NO effect on you OP, just let that stuff slide next time.

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Damn I read the title wrong, for some reason I read ‘getting tossed off in class’

This makes me realise a few things

I need glasses

I need to get laid

Maybe the reason I need glasses is because I am not getting laid enough…

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[quote]Electric_E wrote:
Damn I read the title wrong, for some reason I read ‘getting tossed off in class’

This makes me realise a few things

I need glasses

I need to get laid

Maybe the reason I need glasses is because I am not getting laid enough…[/quote]

Hahaha…nice one.

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It is hard when younger to pick your battles.
It happens.

Getting kicked out of class, may not be such a big deal,
getting sent home from work is a little different.
Its difficult to assess when to rock the boat.
And there is a time and place to do so.
but just think of school as your job.

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Yes, it might be wise to pick your battles. In this case, you could have gotten your point across in a more mature way, although being a jackass is your prerogative as a kid. The reason I’m saying this, is that you are forcing an opinion on other people, and that is wrong. As heretic as it might be to say this on T-Nation, excessive protein is not always your friend. And being interested in huge muscles can be mutually exclusive with extending one’s life. Maybe that’s the point your teacher was trying to get across, but was too dumb to achieve (or you don’t pay much attention). Either way, you should have engaged him with courtesy. And in the worst case, just spit out whatever he wanted you to remember on the test, with a big disclaimer in red marker saying you don’t agree with everything on there.

Regarding your upcoming battles, never be afraid to stand up for yourself and your beliefs. Surviving on noddles beats losing your soul. The key here is picking a career where you never have to lie, harm innocents, etc. We live in a world of scarce ethics and morality. Don’t give in to the incessant call to acquire things your don’t need with money you don’t have. Never stick around for a job which would make you disregard your principles (assuming you have any).

Sorry for the rant but I had to say something about the “its part of my job” posts.

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ok for everyone who thinks I cant spell, i acually just really have shitty typing. I try and type fast and that is what happens

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Yes, it might be wise to pick your battles. In this case, you could have gotten your point across in a more mature way, although being a jackass is your prerogative as a kid. The reason I’m saying this, is that you are forcing an opinion on other people, and that is wrong. As heretic as it might be to say this on T-Nation, excessive protein is not always your friend. And being interested in huge muscles can be mutually exclusive with extending one’s life. Maybe that’s the point your teacher was trying to get across, but was too dumb to achieve (or you don’t pay much attention). Either way, you should have engaged him with courtesy. And in the worst case, just spit out whatever he wanted you to remember on the test, with a big disclaimer in red marker saying you don’t agree with everything on there.

Regarding your upcoming battles, never be afraid to stand up for yourself and your beliefs. Surviving on noddles beats losing your soul. The key here is picking a career where you never have to lie, harm innocents, etc. We live in a world of scarce ethics and morality. Don’t give in to the incessant call to acquire things your don’t need with money you don’t have. Never stick around for a job which would make you disregard your principles (assuming you have any).

Sorry for the rant but I had to say something about the “its part of my job” posts.[/quote]

My teacher in no way was trying to say that, he was stating a fact which he does alot. Hes said dumb shit before but I just didnt comment until now. Your really overthinking that whole thing. Hes not trying to teach us a moral lesson, its more he thinks this is a fact so hes stating it

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This reminds me of my HS days when the football team got challenged by the dance class to try to keep up during their workouts. We (the football team) got our asses kicked. Those dancers were tough.

DB

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OP I’m in total agreement with you.
#1 it’s highschool, you can be a dick(not saying you were though) and get away with it. You’re not getting paid to be there and you really only need to pass with B’s or better to get in a pretty good college. And for everyone who wants to argue about that, we can save it for another thread.
Good job for questioning your teacher. Though in my opinion most teachers below college level aren’t really interested in developing you as a person. They are going to teach you rules and “facts” (from a book) and thats it. They are just doing what they are required to do, which is read from a book and stay one lesson ahead of the class.

Sure, they might have some life experinces they can tie in, but honestly they probably don’t have any real life experience in their “field”. When you go against them, of coarse they are going to retaliate pretty aggressively, you just made their job that much harder.

I’m not saying everything they teach is useless in fact most of it isn’t, but for the most part they’re just getting themselves and everyone else by.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Yes, it might be wise to pick your battles. In this case, you could have gotten your point across in a more mature way, although being a jackass is your prerogative as a kid. The reason I’m saying this, is that you are forcing an opinion on other people, and that is wrong. As heretic as it might be to say this on T-Nation, excessive protein is not always your friend. And being interested in huge muscles can be mutually exclusive with extending one’s life. Maybe that’s the point your teacher was trying to get across, but was too dumb to achieve (or you don’t pay much attention). Either way, you should have engaged him with courtesy. And in the worst case, just spit out whatever he wanted you to remember on the test, with a big disclaimer in red marker saying you don’t agree with everything on there.

Regarding your upcoming battles, never be afraid to stand up for yourself and your beliefs. Surviving on noddles beats losing your soul. The key here is picking a career where you never have to lie, harm innocents, etc. We live in a world of scarce ethics and morality. Don’t give in to the incessant call to acquire things your don’t need with money you don’t have. Never stick around for a job which would make you disregard your principles (assuming you have any).

Sorry for the rant but I had to say something about the “its part of my job” posts.[/quote]

I was about to say something similar. My sole occupation is remaining true to my self. Any other money-making venture is auxiliary and of negligible importance. Being in school myself, I’ve seen people sacrifice their beliefs, and sell their souls (Yes, I’m being dramatic, but it’s apt) for grades. I’ve had many opportunites to write an essay a certain false way, or answer multiple choice questions incorrectly, for a better grade, because that’s what some ignorant teacher wanted, but I never take them. Others do this all the time, and it makes me sick to see it. Don’t pander and acquiesce for a biscuit like a castrated dog. Sure, it seems irrelevant on such a small scale as high school, but it’s not. How you act when it doesn’t matter dictates how you act when it does, perhaps moreso. Even if I end up sleeping in the gutter, I will do so with pleasure, rather than capitulate because ‘It’s what my job requires’. Today’s strong words are rather poignant to this discussion, I think.

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I have a couple of stories to share, and you will see what I am trying to get across. If not, I will explain it after the stories.

Flashback to eight grade: We were reading a book that had little importance to me because it was one of those that had very little moral or intellectual value within it. I am just skimming the pages that we are required to read, and I notice that part of a word is covered in black marker. I ask the teacher what the entire word was.

She responded, “The word was goddamn.” Only the “god” part was crossed out.

I ask her politely why she decided to cross out the “god” (I am qouting “god” continuously for emphasis), and she told me that people found it offensive. Then I asked why did she ONLY cross out the “god” part, and she replied by saying that people found damn and god as one word offensive.

I went on trying to say why not cross out the entire word or none of it at all, and still, she said that people only found the “god” part offensive. After a few minutes of discussion on morals, I just dropped it because I realized that nothing was going to change her opinion, and a continuing argument would ensue a pointless hatred.

I chose the battle, and although I didn’t get her to change her view on the “goddamn” censorship, I could see I made her think about why she only censored one part of the word.
[Edit] This was not done in front of the class. There is not point.

My second story happened recently, on Tuesday of this week in fact. My english teacher decided to inform us on the Holocaust (which I found redundant because I already spent a considerable amount of time learning about it in previous years. His lecture reinforced my point).

His reason for the downfall of Germany following the second world war was the people were unhappy with the government and the left-wing politicians. There was absolutely no mention of the Treaty of Versailles and how it caused the German economy to plummet indirectly causing the rise of the National Socialist movement.

I chose not to argue with him due to two reasons: only one other person in the class would understand what I am talking about and the teacher refused any comment during his lecture. People tried to comment or question material they didn’t understand, but he shot them down.

Moral of the story: arguing with ignorant and/or stubborn individuals will not lead to them converting their opinion or even allowing them to consider the situation from a different perspective.

But if you have the ability to persuade OTHER people to reconsider their beliefs and view it from different angles, you should use your last remaining engery to demonstrate various opinions for them. As TC said, keep your prism polished.

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Two very smart people taught me a couple of very good lessons that have served me well.

1.) Never dismiss any idea, no matter how dumb it seems. There’s almost always something you can learn from any situation, even if this is just learning how certain people think. Never dismiss any idea related to training because you never know when you’ll get stuck and need that “stupid idea” to break through.

2.) Be careful how you treat people, you never know when you’ll need a favor from them later.

The first was from Dave Tate and the second was from my father.

“For the life of me, I cannot remember what made us think that we were wise when we never compromised. We were merely freshman.”

Judging by a lot of posts on this thread, humility is becoming a lost cause.

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I’ve learned it is just never good to argue with a professor, especially not in front of an audience. Telling someone they “Could not be more wrong” was not a good way to prove your point. You probably just came off as an arrogant person.

I have never met one professor who would take any student seriously if the student disagreed with them.

I had an anatomy teacher say the average guy who does not lift weights is stronger than your average bodybuilder.

I had an economics teacher say (xy)’ = xy’ + x’y + x + y. For any calculus people…this is not true. I talked to him after class about it in a very polite way. I said, “I thought the product rule is (xy)’ = xy’ + x’y instead of what you wrote on the board.” This guy was infuriated and basically just blew me off. Of course this guy was probably the biggest jackass I have ever met in my life.

Bottom line: It is pointless/detrimental to argue with your professor.

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[quote]crod266 wrote:
hey guys im in high school and I wanted to make a thread of what happend to me today, Im in class, this is a sports medicine class. The teacher thinks he knows everything and today he was talking about how protein powder is dum because the body can only use 80g a day. Thats when I raised why hang and said im sorry but your wrong. He said you could be 200 pounds or 50 and your intake should be the same at 80g.

I again raisd my hang and said you couldnt be more wrong. Name me one person who got big on 80g of protein. Thats when he gave me a face and went on to the next talk of discussion. He then said low carb diets dont work because the body needs at least 100g of carbs a day. Thats when again i raised my hang and said yiu could live off 0g of carbs. Your body will use ketones as fuel. He then said there is no such thing and your body needs that many.

Then I said so when a bodybuilder gets ready for a show what do you think he does eat tons of carbs a day? thats when he started yelling and threw me out of his class. I was laughing so hard i thought I was going to die as I walked out. Damn smuck.[/quote]

I used to correct my teacher during my high school physiology classes. One time my A&P teacher got dorsiflexion and plantarflexion confused, and on another occasion she said that the transverse abdominis muscle produces trunk rotation. On both occasions I protested right there in the middle of class and made a needlessly big deal out of it. I now understand that, if my goal had not simply been to show off like an asshole, I could have just brought it up in private after class. What your teacher said is far less stupid than what mine said, and you will be much more intelligent to let it go than to pick a fight over nothing. Correcting your teacher isn’t cute and you aren’t impressing anybody. It’s just tacky.

It’s not cute and you’re not impressing anybody.

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[quote]25th wrote:
how do you raise ur hang? wtf[/quote]

look at T-vixen pics. Your hang will raise

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[quote]BF Bullpup wrote:
Maybe you could’ve taken notes what your teacher seems misinformed on, do research to find what are contrary to your teacher’s facts, and show them to him before or after school the next day. Teachers can be wrong but the good ones learn from their students.

If I were your teacher I’d be turned off by how you reacted to my misinformation. I’d think that you just wanted attention or to pick a fight, which seniors (which I assume you are) seem likely to do as graduation nears.[/quote]

This is exactly what to do. Even if a teacher is wrong, pointing it out in front of a room full of other teens is not a good idea. Teachers are people too and won’t react well, especially when the teacher has the power to do something about it.

I’ve made mistakes in my 28 years of teaching. If someone points out a mistake (in private), I then publicly correct myself and give credit to the student who found the mistake. If they did it confrontationally, I’d simply kick 'em out.

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yeah dude a lot of teachers are full of themselves and hate being told theyre wrong. just get your grades and leave.