Getting Tossed Out of Class

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Yes, it might be wise to pick your battles. In this case, you could have gotten your point across in a more mature way, although being a jackass is your prerogative as a kid. The reason I’m saying this, is that you are forcing an opinion on other people, and that is wrong. As heretic as it might be to say this on T-Nation, excessive protein is not always your friend. And being interested in huge muscles can be mutually exclusive with extending one’s life. Maybe that’s the point your teacher was trying to get across, but was too dumb to achieve (or you don’t pay much attention). Either way, you should have engaged him with courtesy. And in the worst case, just spit out whatever he wanted you to remember on the test, with a big disclaimer in red marker saying you don’t agree with everything on there.

Regarding your upcoming battles, never be afraid to stand up for yourself and your beliefs. Surviving on noddles beats losing your soul. The key here is picking a career where you never have to lie, harm innocents, etc. We live in a world of scarce ethics and morality. Don’t give in to the incessant call to acquire things your don’t need with money you don’t have. Never stick around for a job which would make you disregard your principles (assuming you have any).

Sorry for the rant but I had to say something about the “its part of my job” posts.[/quote]

I actually agree with everything you said. Right on.

To OP, in college I took this aerobics class (for credit going towards an EHS degree), and being an aerobics class, there was a significant amount of misinformation. Things like “lactic acid is what causes soreness two days later”, or “heavy weights and low reps bulk up, light weight and high reps tone”, the usual crap like that. I respectfully talked to the teacher outside of class, explained the reasoning behind what I was arguing, and it was taken rather well. Go ahead, question your teachers. Question everything you’re taught. But that doesn’t warrant disrespect on behalf of those teaching you.

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Awesome job for standing up for your beliefs. Feels good doesn’t it, even if it’s not as controversial as politics/philosophy. Well I guess it is a bit of philosophy. But good job on that.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
BF Bullpup wrote:
Maybe you could’ve taken notes what your teacher seems misinformed on, do research to find what are contrary to your teacher’s facts, and show them to him before or after school the next day. Teachers can be wrong but the good ones learn from their students.

If I were your teacher I’d be turned off by how you reacted to my misinformation. I’d think that you just wanted attention or to pick a fight, which seniors (which I assume you are) seem likely to do as graduation nears.

This is exactly what to do. Even if a teacher is wrong, pointing it out in front of a room full of other teens is not a good idea. Teachers are people too and won’t react well, especially when the teacher has the power to do something about it.

I’ve made mistakes in my 28 years of teaching. If someone points out a mistake (in private), I then publicly correct myself and give credit to the student who found the mistake. If they did it confrontationally, I’d simply kick 'em out.

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What if one of your students respectfully disagreed with you during class? I see no reason to keep corrections private, especially if they contribute to an in-class discussion. The OP seems to have enjoyed making his teacher out to be a buffoon, which may warrant an adverse reaction from a teacher, but in a more well-intentioned incidence I can’t imagine the teacher minding, unless, of course, he was an arrogant prick to begin with. I will discuss these things with teachers after class as well, but only because I enjoy discussing them in depth. Bringing it up in class is the first step, and needs not be disrespectful or vehement. As I mnetioned before, other students deserve to know when they’re being misinformed, and will always benefit from an intelligent discussion of differing opinions or facts during class. Most are too stupid or apathetic to learn by themselves, and such incidences tend to make them think just a bit more than they’re used to.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:

What if one of your students respectfully disagreed with you during class? I see no reason to keep corrections private, especially if they contribute to an in-class discussion. The OP seems to have enjoyed making his teacher out to be a buffoon, which may warrant an adverse reaction from a teacher, but in a more well-intentioned incidence I can’t imagine the teacher minding, unless, of course, he was an arrogant prick to begin with.

I will discuss these things with teachers after class as well, but only because I enjoy discussing them in depth. Bringing it up in class is the first step, and needs not be disrespectful or vehement. As I mnetioned before, other students deserve to know when they’re being misinformed, and will always benefit from an intelligent discussion of differing opinions or facts during class.

Most are too stupid or apathetic to learn by themselves, and such incidences tend to make them think just a bit more than they’re used to.[/quote]

90% of the people that I know cannot engage in a intelligent discussion. I have tried with too many of the people that I know, and most of them just blew it off and called me “a dumbass” for being interested in anything but rap and being a poser. That is why I tend to befriend individuals who are able to discuss intelligent matters.

And as you said that most are too stupid to learn by themselves, I have respond by saying that most are too disinterested in learning; if they don’t want to, we might as well not force them too.

Although I to have to admit that I am guilty of not wanting to go to school, it only happens because I find very little challenge in most of my classes. And yes, I am in the hardest classes that I can be in.

The point is that most people don’t care if the instructor is wrong and you may know the information that he doesn’t because most will disregard all that you say and just listen to the teacher. A majority of the population is not in school to learn, but they are in school due to them being forced to go.

Everyone wants to be smart, get into a good college, and receive a job that grants them possibilities of being rich, but very few actually comprehend and enjoy the benefits of learning. So arguing if front of the class isn’t as useful as you might think.

I know that this seems contradictory to my previous post, but I still am trying to get my point across. Although you should always assist someone in being open minded, finding the right situation and the right people for the job is difficult.

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[quote]ukrainian wrote:
Vicomte wrote:

What if one of your students respectfully disagreed with you during class? I see no reason to keep corrections private, especially if they contribute to an in-class discussion. The OP seems to have enjoyed making his teacher out to be a buffoon, which may warrant an adverse reaction from a teacher, but in a more well-intentioned incidence I can’t imagine the teacher minding, unless, of course, he was an arrogant prick to begin with. I will discuss these things with teachers after class as well, but only because I enjoy discussing them in depth.

Bringing it up in class is the first step, and needs not be disrespectful or vehement. As I mnetioned before, other students deserve to know when they’re being misinformed, and will always benefit from an intelligent discussion of differing opinions or facts during class. Most are too stupid or apathetic to learn by themselves, and such incidences tend to make them think just a bit more than they’re used to.

90% of the people that I know cannot engage in a intelligent discussion. I have tried with too many of the people that I know, and most of them just blew it off and called me “a dumbass” for being interested in anything but rap and being a poser. That is why I tend to befriend individuals who are able to discuss intelligent matters.

And as you said that most are too stupid to learn by themselves, I have respond by saying that most are too disinterested in learning; if they don’t want to, we might as well not force them too. Although I to have to admit that I am guilty of not wanting to go to school, it only happens because I find very little challenge in most of my classes.

And yes, I am in the hardest classes that I can be in. The point is that most people don’t care if the instructor is wrong and you may know the information that he doesn’t because most will disregard all that you say and just listen to the teacher. A majority of the population is not in school to learn, but they are in school due to them being forced to go. Everyone wants to be smart, get into a good college, and receive a job that grants them possibilities of being rich, but very few actually comprehend and enjoy the benefits of learning. So arguing if front of the class isn’t as useful as you might think.

I know that this seems contradictory to my previous post, but I still am trying to get my point across. Although you should always assist someone in being open minded, finding the right situation and the right people for the job is difficult.[/quote]

I do realize this, of course. I included apathetic with stupid, naturally. The two are often found together. It may not be incredibly useful to others, but I enjoy it for myself, if nothing else. I agree with everything you’ve said.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
BF Bullpup wrote:
Maybe you could’ve taken notes what your teacher seems misinformed on, do research to find what are contrary to your teacher’s facts, and show them to him before or after school the next day. Teachers can be wrong but the good ones learn from their students.

If I were your teacher I’d be turned off by how you reacted to my misinformation. I’d think that you just wanted attention or to pick a fight, which seniors (which I assume you are) seem likely to do as graduation nears.

This is exactly what to do. Even if a teacher is wrong, pointing it out in front of a room full of other teens is not a good idea. Teachers are people too and won’t react well, especially when the teacher has the power to do something about it.

I’ve made mistakes in my 28 years of teaching. If someone points out a mistake (in private), I then publicly correct myself and give credit to the student who found the mistake. If they did it confrontationally, I’d simply kick 'em out.

What if one of your students respectfully disagreed with you during class? I see no reason to keep corrections private, especially if they contribute to an in-class discussion. The OP seems to have enjoyed making his teacher out to be a buffoon, which may warrant an adverse reaction from a teacher, but in a more well-intentioned incidence I can’t imagine the teacher minding, unless, of course, he was an arrogant prick to begin with. I will discuss these things with teachers after class as well, but only because I enjoy discussing them in depth. Bringing it up in class is the first step, and needs not be disrespectful or vehement. As I mnetioned before, other students deserve to know when they’re being misinformed, and will always benefit from an intelligent discussion of differing opinions or facts during class. Most are too stupid or apathetic to learn by themselves, and such incidences tend to make them think just a bit more than they’re used to.[/quote]

That’s part of the question-and-answer dialogue in class. As long as the person is respectful about it, no problem. The difficulty is that hs students will immediately say: “Well, if you make a mistake, how are we supposed to do it?” Teachers are supposed to be infallible.

At that point, you have to nip it at once, or the class is gone. Even if the teacher is wrong, he/she has to nip it or chaos will ensue.

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I would of done the same thing. teachers need to know what they’re saying.
when a teacher calls you a know it all… after saying your by far the most knowledgeable student hes ever had…its just jealousy =] especially when he says it behind your back.

ive also been called a human encyclopedia hehe so I guess I am a know it all. im not a jack ass about it but people get offended lol… if you dont want a question answered then dont say it out loud

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
BF Bullpup wrote:
Maybe you could’ve taken notes what your teacher seems misinformed on, do research to find what are contrary to your teacher’s facts, and show them to him before or after school the next day. Teachers can be wrong but the good ones learn from their students.

If I were your teacher I’d be turned off by how you reacted to my misinformation. I’d think that you just wanted attention or to pick a fight, which seniors (which I assume you are) seem likely to do as graduation nears.

This is exactly what to do. Even if a teacher is wrong, pointing it out in front of a room full of other teens is not a good idea. Teachers are people too and won’t react well, especially when the teacher has the power to do something about it.

I’ve made mistakes in my 28 years of teaching. If someone points out a mistake (in private), I then publicly correct myself and give credit to the student who found the mistake. If they did it confrontationally, I’d simply kick 'em out.

What if one of your students respectfully disagreed with you during class? I see no reason to keep corrections private, especially if they contribute to an in-class discussion. The OP seems to have enjoyed making his teacher out to be a buffoon, which may warrant an adverse reaction from a teacher, but in a more well-intentioned incidence I can’t imagine the teacher minding, unless, of course, he was an arrogant prick to begin with. I will discuss these things with teachers after class as well, but only because I enjoy discussing them in depth. Bringing it up in class is the first step, and needs not be disrespectful or vehement. As I mnetioned before, other students deserve to know when they’re being misinformed, and will always benefit from an intelligent discussion of differing opinions or facts during class. Most are too stupid or apathetic to learn by themselves, and such incidences tend to make them think just a bit more than they’re used to.

That’s part of the question-and-answer dialogue in class. As long as the person is respectful about it, no problem. The difficulty is that hs students will immediately say: “Well, if you make a mistake, how are we supposed to do it?” Teachers are supposed to be infallible.

At that point, you have to nip it at once, or the class is gone. Even if the teacher is wrong, he/she has to nip it or chaos will ensue.

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Makes sense to me.

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Regarding the last several posts, if I think I’m right and my student is wrong, and my student continues to disagree, then I just tell him/her “We can talk more after class”, “I’ll show you later”, or “Could you please check for me later?” My priority during my class time is to finish my lesson plan, not to debate my students. I have a feeling that many of the posters here feel the need to interpret that as “arrogance”.

What Headhunter said he usually does is what I usually do too when I realize during my student’s questioning that I was wrong. “I’m sorry, you’re right. Thank you. :-)”

At any rate, I wish more of my students would think for themselves like crod26 did. But there’s a right and wrong way to correct somebody, whether you’re in high school or on the job.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Does “why hang” mean “my hand”?[/quote]

He means wang. No wonder he got tossed.

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Heh, my little sister in high school had a health teacher who told the class that a .08 blood alcohol level meant that your blood was 8% alcohol…of course my sister, not being a complete idiot, brought her the evidence that she was wrong after the class was over.

Sister got in trouble for “insubordination”. But i’m proud of her for doing it anyways.

Professors and teachers often get used to never being argued with, I think this is a bad thing, I think that more discussion and more questioning of the information needs to occur. Even if you can’t win every time, it’s better for it to become a more popular idea that even if a teacher is great they are not an infallible source of knowledge.

Just don’t do it agressively or like a jackass, that gets you nowhere. Do it in class, fine, but like was suggested earlier, question the material before discounting it. If they can’t answer your questions then you can make a statement about how you’d like to see more actual research. But don’t make it seem like they are incompetent - that will only breed resentment.

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I know where your comming from in my drug/alchol class (I am also in high school) the teacher tryed to tell us that Creatine & Ephedrine were “like” Anabolic steriods and that we should avoid the at all costs when I presented him with the facts he seemed to get annoyed with me and asked to see me after class. and when I did said that he can have me written up and then kicked off of the crew team,appearently he knows what sport I’m in, for drug use despite the fact that creatine isnt illegal and isnt a drug and that he doesent know and cant prove that I use creatine, luckly niether of which he did, …I’m chalking it up to he hates being Proven wrong. but yeah I hate when teachers intentionaly misinform us about stuff, even though its extremely rare that they do.